Belief in Satan

Are any of you here genuine athiest and have no belief in God, but you do leave open the possibility of Satan? I personally hate relgion, don't believe in any God, and don't participate in religious activities and never will... but... when asked about Satan, I'm open to it the belief.

I repeat: I'm athiest, I loath all religion, but I haven't ever set in stone that I don't have any belief in the Devil.

This good stem from something: God is supposed to protect the world and love Earth, Satan is supposed to cause death, destruction, pain, suffering, and hate. In our world, there is countless numbers of death every day, pain every second, suffering 24/7, and nearly everyone hates someone to the point of wanting them dead. There is good in our world, but there is more Satananic and evilpbased things than there ever will be "God"-based things.

The evil in our world has been around since its creation and seems to overpower the good. The only good is family, friends, love, those things. But the "evil" - disatsers, diseases, murders - has the power to destroy hundreds of innocent people- the natural disasters, killing lots of innocent, loving people. People killing each other because of love turning into hate, ect..

If you're religious, your God clearly doesn't have a lot of power. Otherwise, there would be so much: hatred, heart break, disasters, murders, killings, pedophiles, pain, suffering, hunger, lonliness, depression and suicidal every day.

How can anyone religious have the right to say suicide is wrong and a one-way ticket to hell? If we look at the situation, suicide is commonly driven by: lost, lonliness, depression, heartbreak, anger, genuinely over-powering negative emotions. The things that normally cause someone to become suicidal are the Satan - evil - things, like the world suffering and all that. This would mean that your God fails it making the world better than what it is now, and it is your God's fault that his "creation" is killing itself- his lack of good influence of Earth would be his fault, and therefore his fault so much suicide exists. So he would just go and send them to hell ofr killing themselves- when it is them crying to leave your God's hell-drvien (according to the suicidal, who see bmore bad in the world) world.

God: punishing people for leaving the world because they don't like all the bad in it, when the bad is his fault, as he is supposed to make the world a good place.

Thye world has a lot of bad, but some good. By the bad, I'm refering to the murders and killer disasters.

But really, I'm athieist. From what I said above, how could there be a good God when our world s full of suffering? Therefore, I begin to question whether there is the Devil.

Truly, part of me believes in the devil because of my personal experiences in the past, but not completely. I don't believe in God, I never will. I hate religion.

Your beliefs are...?

Shouldn't this go into the Serious Discussion board? The subject is better suited there.

Inbeforethemove.

Also i dont know if Satan exists at all. I do believe in evil but i dont know about Satan.

If the good in people does not constitute a belief in God (and it doesn't) then the evil in people does not constitute a belief in Satan.

Satan is a necessary part of human nature. Or, that's what I believe.

I'm a Satanist, FYI.
*Raises flame-shield*

If you beleive in a god of some sort, I think it would be strange to not beleive in some evil entity, such as Satan. The world needs balence, for every good, there's an evil.

Originally Posted by Ty

If you beleive in a god of some sort, I think it would be strange to not beleive in some evil entity, such as Satan. The world needs balence, for every good, there's an evil.

I don't really see any reason to believe there is any balance in the world.

Not necessarily. In Christian mythology, Satan is the distraction God throws at us in his little shell game with the universe. Now, Zoroastrianism, there's a religion that has some hardcore balancing, where the actions of both deities have a real impact on world events.

Also, OP, theism is the belief in one or more supernatural beings that actively directs world events. Hate religion all you want, but if you believe in Satan the way you say you do, you're not an atheist.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

Are any of you here genuine athiest and have no belief in God, but you do leave open the possibility of Satan? I personally hate relgion, don't believe in any God, and don't participate in religious activities and never will... but... when asked about Satan, I'm open to it the belief.

I repeat: I'm athiest, I loath all religion, but I haven't ever set in stone that I don't have any belief in the Devil.

This good stem from something: God is supposed to protect the world and love Earth, Satan is supposed to cause death, destruction, pain, suffering, and hate. In our world, there is countless numbers of death every day, pain every second, suffering 24/7, and nearly everyone hates someone to the point of wanting them dead. There is good in our world, but there is more Satananic and evilpbased things than there ever will be "God"-based things.

The evil in our world has been around since its creation and seems to overpower the good. The only good is family, friends, love, those things. But the "evil" - disatsers, diseases, murders - has the power to destroy hundreds of innocent people- the natural disasters, killing lots of innocent, loving people. People killing each other because of love turning into hate, ect..

If you're religious, your God clearly doesn't have a lot of power. Otherwise, there would be so much: hatred, heart break, disasters, murders, killings, pedophiles, pain, suffering, hunger, lonliness, depression and suicidal every day.

How can anyone religious have the right to say suicide is wrong and a one-way ticket to hell? If we look at the situation, suicide is commonly driven by: lost, lonliness, depression, heartbreak, anger, genuinely over-powering negative emotions. The things that normally cause someone to become suicidal are the Satan - evil - things, like the world suffering and all that. This would mean that your God fails it making the world better than what it is now, and it is your God's fault that his "creation" is killing itself- his lack of good influence of Earth would be his fault, and therefore his fault so much suicide exists. So he would just go and send them to hell ofr killing themselves- when it is them crying to leave your God's hell-drvien (according to the suicidal, who see bmore bad in the world) world.

God: punishing people for leaving the world because they don't like all the bad in it, when the bad is his fault, as he is supposed to make the world a good place.

Thye world has a lot of bad, but some good. By the bad, I'm refering to the murders and killer disasters.

But really, I'm athieist. From what I said above, how could there be a good God when our world s full of suffering? Therefore, I begin to question whether there is the Devil.

Truly, part of me believes in the devil because of my personal experiences in the past, but not completely. I don't believe in God, I never will. I hate religion.

Your beliefs are...?

Before I even begin to tell you how many things are wrong with this post, I have a few questions for you.
You believe in the devil, yes? If you do, well, where did he come from? Or is the devil himself a god?

I don't believe "pure evil" exists, so it's sort of hard for me to believe in a being who is nothing but "pure evil."

Bad, and evil are human concepts. To put it simply, things just DO. They don't have any good or bad inherently attached to them. Why would a God abide by humans concepts?

Because my little group of shepherds is totally more important than the one on the other side of that little river over there.

God is supposed to protect the world and love Earth

No.

If you beleive in a god of some sort, I think it would be strange to not beleive in some evil entity, such as Satan. The world needs balence, for every good, there's an evil

No, no.

To believe in God is to believe that a being somehow created the universe. That is all. God dosen't have to be nice, just the creator.

What about Plato's Demiurge or Aristotle's Prime Mover? They aren't gods.

Originally Posted by CookieConjurer

What about Plato's Demiurge or Aristotle's Prime Mover? They aren't gods.

Is not the belief that something created the universe God?

No. For them, or at least definitely for Aristotle, the existence of something to start the string of physical causality and stands outside it was a logical necessity. It was either that or the belief that the interplay of cause and effect proceeds back ad infinitum, and the Prime Mover idea is less illogical than the alternative.

Satan's not actually evil, we just use him so we have someone to blame for our own shortcomings. it's more convenient than admitting our flaws.

People should understand Religion more in order to chose what they believe in. Most atheists and satans i know, some my friends, don't understand Religion. They never even read about religion, they just don't want to believe because of one single idea, that its impossible for an external God to exist. Well thats kinda stupid. Anyways, i believe that there is good and evil in the world for a reason. Life is a test. Lets see what you said in your post:

God: punishing people for leaving the world because they don't like all the bad in it, when the bad is his fault, as he is supposed to make the world a good place.

Well, its like a teacher, letting his students fail because they don't study.
Shouldn't the teacher let studying be an option to make school a fun and better place?

The most important thing in life is learning and experiencing. An example:If someone is lonely, they should learn to make friends. If someone is depressed, they should learn how to overcome it with the good things in the world instead of just giving up and jumping of a building.
Anyways, its only my opinion. But i think that is whats right in life.

Originally Posted by silver-hero

The most important thing in life is learning and experiencing. An example:If someone is lonely, they should learn to make friends. If someone is depressed, they should learn how to overcome it with the good things in the world instead of just giving up and jumping of a building.
Anyways, its only my opinion. But i think that is whats right in life.

Yeah, and when you don't study, you get to spend eternity in the supply closet being tortured.

Originally Posted by Flames of Valor

Bad, and evil are human concepts. To put it simply, things just DO. They don't have any good or bad inherently attached to them.

Then it's not wrong for me to kill you, or anyone else, correct? I mean, if bad and evil are just made up concepts then there really isn't any reason for me not to. You annoy me sometimes when I think you talk too much, and when you break up a post into with a million quote boxes, so I think that's a good reason.