Nano Thermite found in WTC dust 9/11

O, seekers of truth, how I admire thee.

I just love how people refuse to contemplate anything that suggests that the events of 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Saying "it's retarded to think that way" doesn't or "it's not logical" (****, I hate when people here mention that word) doesn't do it, people. Topics like these just show how the majority of the people that frequent this section refuse to contemplate matters from various perspectives and stubbornly state their opinions.

Oh, I like dark chocolate, and you're retarded if you don't. That's IMO.
Clearly, this seems to abide by the standards of the serious discussion section.

If anyone's interested, also check out the events of the bombings of Russian department buildings and the accusations of Chechen terrorists. Look up Russia + September 4, 1999. Just contemplate it with a clean slate. None dare call it conspiracy.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

O, seekers of truth, how I admire thee.

I just love how people refuse to contemplate anything that suggests that the events of 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Saying "it's retarded to think that way" doesn't or "it's not logical" (****, I hate when people here mention that word) doesn't do it, people. Topics like these just show how the majority of the people that frequent this section refuse to contemplate matters from various perspectives and stubbornly state their opinions.

Oh, I like dark chocolate, and you're retarded if you don't. That's IMO.
Clearly, this seems to abide by the standards of the serious discussion section.

If anyone's interested, also check out the events of the bombings of Russian department buildings and the accusations of Chechen terrorists. Look up Russia + September 4, 1999. Just contemplate it with a clean slate. None dare call it conspiracy.

The reason most of us don't look into it is because
1) we'd like to think our government still likes us,
2) The government doesn't really have any gain to attacking us.

The 2nd one being a very big one. What does the US gain by attacking it's own office building? Clearing up the sky line? A reason to invade Afghnistan? A "reason" to invade Iraq? So lets say the government did do this, how could they keep it from getting leaked? The government isn't some vault, stuff gets out all the time. This would have gotten out. I don't see enough reasons for the US being involved to make any real sense. If there was evidence then maybe, but there really isn't to me.

Also wikipedia doesn't help me see your point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
Did I find the wrong link. because this doesn't say anything about Russia doing the bombings.

Originally Posted by KillerKat55

If there was evidence then maybe, but there really isn't to me.

It all comes down to this, doesn't it? "To me."

Oh, and, crap. Wikipedia says the U.S didn't cause the 9/11 attacks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

It must be true, then.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

It all comes down to this, doesn't it? "To me."

Well it does without facts. What you see as a government cover up I may just see as a misinformed person who said the wrong thing. Or people that are overreacting to something. And I read through the wikipedia article after I made my post. Sorry about that.

Okay now you lost me. You say that the Russian bombings are such that "None dare call it conspiracy" but yet it looks like one to me. I'll give you that parts of the story are pretty iffy at spots, but it's Russia. They hold a lot back from the press. And nothing that really warrants the level of, I don't know how to put it um Eye openingness?, that you say it should give to me.

Originally Posted by KillerKat55

but it's Russia.

Oh, it's only Russia, isn't it?

Here, read this article carefully. It's from this year's GQ September issue:

http://ratafia.info/post/180606234/n...-it-conspiracy

There is always a reason. Some reasons are blunt, some are not.

And read this after:

http://www.motherjones.com/riff/2009...ast-conspiracy

What is the point of this post? To open your mind. If a truth needs to be found, everything needs to be contemplated with an open mind. You should never underestimate the government or feel comfortable believing that it was all the cause of evil terrorists.

Yeah and those airplanes were holographic images of rockets flying in the air. True story.

Okay still reading but I see what you're saying. You're saying that Putin, in some way, started the attacks and thus becoming well loved in the nation through how he handled said attacks. I wouldn't doubt Putin doing something like that (personally). It still sounds a bit far fetched but I'll finish reading the sites you posted tomorrow (college in the morning) when I can think over it and such.

You have to lack the ability to assess information on your own and form conclusions to believe even a fraction of the crap some of the conspiracy freaks put on the internet.

If you saw it on youtube, please shut up.

Maybe this hurts the poor conspiracy theorists too much that they won't even acknowledge it, but that stuff is declassified now.

If there was a conspiracy everyone would know it by now as a matter of fact.

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

What do you mean?

Now it seems rough, but "does it matter"? You can't undo the done.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

What is the point of this post? To open your mind. If a truth needs to be found, everything needs to be contemplated with an open mind. You should never underestimate the government or feel comfortable believing that it was all the cause of evil terrorists.

I don't think anyone denies that governments are capable of evil things. What matters is if there's evidence. Maybe some of the people here seem closed-minded. But we get a new guy every month claiming that 9/11 was an inside job, with absolutely no foundation. Refer to the drivel linked to in the OP as an example. Most of the people here are willing to listen if you just present evidence. Just don't be upset if I have low expectations - your fellow conspirators don't exactly have a good track record. But make a good case, and we'll listen.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

O, seekers of truth, how I admire thee.

I just love how people refuse to contemplate anything that suggests that the events of 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Saying "it's retarded to think that way" doesn't or "it's not logical" (****, I hate when people here mention that word) doesn't do it, people. Topics like these just show how the majority of the people that frequent this section refuse to contemplate matters from various perspectives and stubbornly state their opinions.

Oh, I like dark chocolate, and you're retarded if you don't. That's IMO.
Clearly, this seems to abide by the standards of the serious discussion section.

This isn't about personal preference. This is about how there simply is no viable evidence.

Originally Posted by Shmehzzie can

This isn't about personal preference.

Excuse me?

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

There is no conspiracy...I think its an insult to the people who died at the WTC and Pentagon to suggest there is.

Originally Posted by attackʞɔɐʇʇɐ

... people who think we didn't land on the moon, etc. Either these people are just being jackasses and ignoring the facts, or they are simply too stupid to see the facts.

Originally Posted by Shmehzzie can

...anyone that claims 9/11 was set up by the U.S. government is retarded.

Originally Posted by Anann

...the crap some of the conspiracy freaks put on the internet.

Originally Posted by Shmehzzie can

This is about how there simply is no viable evidence.

There is no "viable evidence?" You mean it's not worthwhile seeking the truth? It's not worthwhile questioning the events of 9/11? Why not?

People out there, such as university professors and doctorate holders do not necessarily have a troubled or uneasy mind but simply wish to consider this event more carefully. Conspiracy theorists and scientists have gathered bits and pieces of evidence that clearly suggest that 9/11 was something more or other than a simple terrorist attack. Some people are not at peace believing that the culprit was an evil man that lives in the distant caves. These people are not preaching in the streets, claiming that the government is evil or that we were all fooled-- they are giving us insight on the things that the media and limited sources are not saying. The evidence they show to support that this may have been a conspiracy should never be dismissed or shunned even if one feels comfortable with believing that it was all the work of terrorists or that it would be retarded or unpatriotic to even think so. I myself consider everything regarding this event and am not at peace. People died out there, and it is not yet clear what the hell happened. I want to know, and I also want facts and evidences. I neither accept it was the total fault of al Qaeda nor that is clearly a government conspiracy-- I want to consider this more carefully, and this is the only way we'll eventually find the truth.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

Excuse me?

I said, "This isn't about personal preference."
I could type it again if you'd like.

It's retarded because of the lack of evidence for an off the wall bold claim, not because I like it that way.

There is no "viable evidence?" You mean it's not worthwhile seeking the truth? It's not worthwhile questioning the events of 9/11? Why not?

People out there, such as university professors and doctorate holders do not necessarily have a troubled or uneasy mind but simply wish to consider this event more carefully. Conspiracy theorists and scientists have gathered bits and pieces of evidence that clearly suggest that 9/11 was something more or other than a simple terrorist attack. Some people are not at peace believing that the culprit was an evil man that lives in the distant caves. These people are not preaching in the streets, claiming that the government is evil or that we were all fooled-- they are giving us insight on the things that the media and limited sources are not saying. The evidence they show to support that this may have been a conspiracy should never be dismissed or shunned even if one feels comfortable with believing that it was all the work of terrorists or that it would be retarded or unpatriotic to even think so. I myself consider everything regarding this event and am not at peace.

And where in this post is the evidence? I see an awful lot of text, but no evidence of a 9/11 conspiracy.

People died out there, and it is not yet clear what the hell happened. I want to know, and I also want facts and evidences. I neither accept it was the total fault of al Qaeda nor that is clearly a government conspiracy-- I want to consider this more carefully, and this is the only way we'll eventually find the truth.

It's not clear what happened? Plenty of people have it on film, actually.

I also don't think it's entirely fair that Mad Hatter's post, which worded my point much more eloquently, was overlooked.

Originally Posted by Shmehzzie can

I said, "This isn't about personal preference."
I could type it again if you'd like.

There's no need for me to quote the other people's post, either. Clearly, a lot of people here are influenced by the fear of feeling retarded for considering anything regarding conspiracy.

It's retarded because of the lack of evidence for an off the wall bold claim, not because I like it that way.

And where in this post is the evidence? I see an awful lot of text, but no evidence of a 9/11 conspiracy.

Oh, wow. I am literally laughing here. You expect me to cite various sources and carefully explain gathered evidence that supports that it was more than a terrorist attack? There is nothing better than doing personal research on this during your leisure, really. Based on your mentality, I doubt you'll contemplate this event with a clean slate for even an instant.

It's not clear what happened? Plenty of people have it on film, actually.

Oh, I totally missed it. I was a high school freshman when I witnessed the events of 9/11. It was so terrible and so shocking to see something so unbelievable. For the rest of the year, we sang patriotic songs every school morning, frowned and pledged allegiance to the flag of the United States of America more stronger than ever. We listened to the courageous and morale-filled speeches of Bush about terror and evil through the media. The media told everything. The media captured the scene. It is all true. Al Qaeda is evil, and either we are with the U.S or we are with them. That is all there is to it-- no questions asked.

I also don't think it's entirely fair that Mad Hatter's post, which worded my point much more eloquently, was overlooked.

I get the impression that mad hatter just wishes to entertain himself by awaiting a response filled with sources that support conspiracy theories by then disapproving with an elaborate post that literally says "try harder, conspiracy freak."

Originally Posted by IGNIS

There's no need for me to quote the other people's post, either. Clearly, a lot of people here are influenced by the fear of feeling retarded for considering anything regarding conspiracy.

I'll consider anything that I have reason to. I've been a devout Christian all my life, and a month ago I very suddenly switched to an atheist belief because of logic and evidence (EDIT: or in this case, a lack of evidence). With logic and evidence, I'll believe anything.

Oh, wow. I am literally laughing here. You expect me to cite various sources and carefully explain gathered evidence that supports that it was more than a terrorist attack? There is nothing better than doing personal research on this during your leisure, really. Based on your mentality, I doubt you'll contemplate this event with a clean slate for even an instant.

Yeah, I do expect you to do that. And I haven't said anything yet to make you entertain the idea that I have a scared mentality, yet you perpetuate as if I've said "I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE DADDY." I will believe anything that can be proven to me.

For the record, I've read over plenty of theories, the jet fuel one, the thermite scam, the missing plane at the Pentagon, all that sort of thing. It's all very illogical and hardly evidence that supports anything. Although I'll suppose you'll say I'm just being narrow minded here. A fly in a camera lens is Hitler's ghost in the right circles.

Oh, I totally missed it. I was a high school freshman when I witnessed the events of 9/11. It was so terrible and so shocking to see something so unbelievable. For the rest of the year, we sang patriotic songs every school morning, frowned and pledged allegiance to the flag of the United States of America more strong than ever. We listened to the courageous and morale-filled speeches of Bush about terror and evil through the media. The media told everything. The media captured the scene. It is all true. Al Qaeda is evil, and either we are with the U.S or we are with them. That is all there is to it-- no questions asked.

If I tell you my shoe is untied, that's hardly evidence that it isn't.

I get the impression that mad hatter just wishes to entertain himself by awaiting a response filled with sources that support conspiracy theories by then disapproving with an elaborate post that literally says "try harder, conspiracy freak."

I get the impression that he is trying to advocate a fruitful argument here, as that's entirely the point of the SD forum.

Originally Posted by Shmehzzie can

I'll consider anything that I have reason to. I've been a devout Christian all my life, and a month ago I very suddenly switched to an atheist belief because of logic and evidence. With logic and evidence, I'll believe anything.

Faith is not exempt from reason, but that's another topic. It would be wise to actually take a formal course on logic. If you've taken such course, then I apologize.

If I tell you my shoe is untied, that's hardly evidence that it isn't.

Bad analogy, specially since we're considering 9/11 here.

I get the impression that he is trying to advocate a fruitful argument here, as that's entirely the point of the SD forum.

I've yet to see a fruitful argument in this section. A lot of people are too weak to think objectively or simply don't know how to reason. It kind of hurts me when people cite the word "logic." Sometimes it is so clear that they've no idea what that is.

Unfortunately, I've got to go, and I'm not so eager to make an attempt to get a "fruitful argument" started. I'd like to point out that this is not a case of "this is the evidence gathered, therefore there is a conspiracy." I think that what we're dealing here is the lack of ability to consider this event carefully or accept that there is yet a truth to be found. You guys have to make an attempt to start off with a clean slate and know that, like faith, things that are not so blunt are NOT exempt from reason. Never.

Okay I see evidence that maybe Putin did something. But just not enough to really believe. I know I don't like the guy (never really have). And his rise to power is fishy, but just not enough concrete for me.

I'm still on the grounds of nothing showing the government was involved in 9/11. Could they have been? Yes. But then again Aliens could have. Without real facts I just don't believe it. (And it'd take a lot. After all who wants to think of their government doing something like that).

Originally Posted by Anann

You have to lack the ability to assess information on your own and form conclusions to believe even a fraction of the crap some of the conspiracy freaks put on the internet.

If you saw it on youtube, please shut up.

But you can get amazing conspiracy theories from there!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saHs6J0OXVI

Originally Posted by IGNIS

It kind of hurts me when people cite the word "logic." Sometimes it is so clear that they've no idea what that is.

Ok, since you are in tune to what is logical and what is not tell me this. If the US government was behind the attack, then why didn't they frame a country that was worth invading? Afghanistan is poor, and doesn't even have much oil. If they caused the attack to use an an excuse to invade, why didn't they pick a better target? Invading Saudi Arabia, or a western European country would be infinitely more profitable than taking over a third world nation.

Originally Posted by KillerKat55

The reason most of us don't look into it is because
1) we'd like to think our government still likes us,
2) The government doesn't really have any gain to attacking us.

The 2nd one being a very big one. What does the US gain by attacking it's own office building? Clearing up the sky line? A reason to invade Afghnistan? A "reason" to invade Iraq? So lets say the government did do this, how could they keep it from getting leaked? The government isn't some vault, stuff gets out all the time. This would have gotten out. I don't see enough reasons for the US being involved to make any real sense. If there was evidence then maybe, but there really isn't to me.

The Project for the New American Century (a think tank including many eventual Bush Administration figures) mentions that a 'new Pearl Harbor' is needed to reinvigorate military spending (September 2000)