Agahnim The Lost Sheika in Time

One thing I have noticed is that on Agahnims cloak n ALttP is the notorious Sheika Eye Symbol that was commonly found in OoT on Impa's and Sheiks cloths. This is kind of mysterious considering the Sheika race disappeared from hyrule in mass numbers after the Fierce Wars. I believe Agnahim is a Sheika based on these observations. He after all knows very powerful magic of the dark arts that rise from the shadows.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

One thing I have noticed is that on Agahnims cloak n ALttP is the notorious Sheika Eye Symbol that was commonly found in OoT on Impa's and Sheiks cloths. This is kind of mysterious considering the Sheika race disappeared from hyrule in mass numbers after the Fierce Wars. I believe Agnahim is a Sheika based on these observations. He after all knows very powerful magic of the dark arts that rise from the shadows.

Hmmm....interesting discovery. This might be proof that aLttP comes before OoT in the timeline...

Well that was not what I wanted to get across because we all know OoT is the first legnd in the Zelda time line. It is still very interesting...

OoT specifically states that Sheik (Princess Zelda) and Impa are the LAST of the Sheikah...

What if Agahnim is an ancient druid or sorcerer of the Sheikah from before OoT and he travelled to the time of AlttP to revive Ganon?

How could that happen when he would have already been dead for years and years even BEFORE OoT? Can't travel if you're dead...

When there were a lot of Sheikah, he could have been a druid or sorcerer of some sort and traveled through time to AlttP era.

Maybe were all a bunch of idiots and ALTTP comes before OoT.
Or time travel... Yeah, let's go with that.

Well, if AlttP came before OoT, then where are the Sheikah in Kakariko, hmm? Exactly. When the Sheikah inhabited Kakariko, they didn't allow Hylians into the village, unless it was Royal Family, and even then it was hard to get into there.

OoT is the prelude to the series. It comes before all of the other games. The only sheikah there is in OoT is Impa. She is the last of the Sheikah. It says so in the game. And what the game says goes.

Now thinking about it more.... Why do you suppose Agnahim keeps his identity so cloaked around his face. By judging his face he looks very very old and pale. I recall somewhere that the Sheika race of people lived for many long years more so than just an average Hylian. Maybe Ganon did revive him from the times of the Fierce Wars. If Ganon can be revived why can't such another evil fource be.

I recall also hearing that dark magic was used in these wars and the Hylians created the Master Sword at that time to reflect the evil magic of there foes. Maybe this is why Agnahim can only be defeated by the Master Sword like Ganon.

Then my theory about the time travel works very well. A druidic seer(or sorcerer seer) named Agahnim from before Ocarina of Time(when the Sheikah were a prosperous civilization) used his powers and saw the future and travelled to that future to aid a deadly warlock whom he saw in his and demolished the gate to the Golden Land with the use of the seven maidens. Etc, etc, etc.

So then this DOES prove that ALttP significantly comes after OoT!

Kozert do have an article about your theory. If you do I would really like to read it!

When was Aghanim every struck by the Master Sword? If I'm not mistaken, all we ever did was reflect his energy balls back at him. The Master Sword was needed though to gain entrance to the part of Hyrule Castle where he was located.

But Ganon didn't revive Aghanim. It was Aghanim that revived Ganon. Ganon was still sealed away, and Aghanim used his evil sorceress powers to break that seal and release Ganon. As a result, Ganon got the Triforce and wished for darkness to cover Hyrule. When he wished that, it created two worlds. Darkness was spread across Hyrule and it created Ganon's Dark World, which would be a reflection of the evil in his heart.

I really don't think he is a sheikah though. If that symbol is even supposed to symbolise that, more than likely he is just passing himself off as one (like Zelda) so he could get up there with the King of Hyrule. Like Ganondorf, he was one of the King's better servants. And in the end, he betrayed the King and took over.

I never said Agnahim was struck by the Master Sword. I said it was used to reflect his dark magic is what I meant, just like Link did in the battle with Ganondorf in OoT. And I never said he was sealed by the Master Sword. Agnahim did not revive Ganon. How could he if it clearly states in the storyline of ALttP that Agnahim was nothing more than a mind pupet he was controlling through spirit from the Sacred Realm/Dark World. That is why Agnahim looks so much like a mumified zomby under his cloak. He is only alive through Ganon controlling him!

Also it was stated in OoT that the Sheika were the shadow folk of the Hylians that served the Royal Family as attendants like Agnahim did. Thats why the King of Hyrule trusted him so much, because he thought he was loyal to that bound the Sheika maid with the Roya Family after the Fierce Wars.

This much i will agree with you about Impa being the last survivor of the Sheika in OoT. But it could be possible that Ganon revived Agnahim from the Fierce Wars time.

My mistake on the Aghanim portion for him reviving Ganon. I guess it COULD be possible then that he is a sheikah, but nothing more than an evil spirit. Or it could just be another being that Ganon just created, like he did Phantom Ganon.

Phantom Ganon was the spirit/soul of Ganondorf, and he gave it life for it to defend the Forest Temple, or, atleast thats what I think it is.

Oh and Historian, I don't got an article, I'm not overly talented at writing them. So sorry. Mainly its because I'm not really good with putting my entire thoughts into writing, its more, you'd have to actually be me to understand what I think.

And Agahnim could very well be a creation of Ganon's, but that would be really hard becuase how can he create things and send them out of the Sacred Realm, hmm? Ganon would have had to create Agahnim before he got sealed.

OoT is the prelude to the series. It comes before all of the other games.

At the time, that was a given. It is no longer as certain. I've seen perfectly valid timelines that place the Four Swords games or tMC before.

recall somewhere that the Sheika race of people lived for many long years more so than just an average Hylian.

There is not a single canon source that ever says such a thing.

I recall also hearing that dark magic was used in these wars and the Hylians created the Master Sword at that time to reflect the evil magic of there foes.

Nope. We have absolutely no information on the Fierce Wars, aside from what the Deku Tree says in OoT. And, according to the Japanese LttP manual the Sword was forged to be used against anyone who gained the Triforce and used it's powers for evil. According to the English LttP manual, it was forged to fight Ganon and any powers granted by the Triforce that he might have.

Maybe this is why Agnahim can only be defeated by the Master Sword like Ganon.

The only thing that can kill Agahnim is his own magic, as far as any of us know. The master Sword is one (of several) things that can reflect that magic. If my memory serves, the Bug Catching net, a mundane item given to you by a sick kid in LttP, can do the same thing.

Then my theory about the time travel works very well. A druidic seer(or sorcerer seer) named Agahnim from before Ocarina of Time(when the Sheikah were a prosperous civilization) used his powers and saw the future and travelled to that future to aid a deadly warlock whom he saw in his and demolished the gate to the Golden Land with the use of the seven maidens.

Except there is absolutely no evidence to support such a thing. You pulled some fanfiction from your ass and present it as some sort of theory.

But Ganon didn't revive Aghanim. It was Aghanim that revived Ganon. Ganon was still sealed away, and Aghanim used his evil sorceress powers to break that seal and release Ganon. As a result, Ganon got the Triforce and wished for darkness to cover Hyrule. When he wished that, it created two worlds. Darkness was spread across Hyrule and it created Ganon's Dark World, which would be a reflection of the evil in his heart.

Ganon got the Triforce and created the Dark World before the Imprisoning War, and long before the events of LttP. The seal that Agahnim released was a seal keeping him in the Dark World, after all.

And the Dark World was not a creation of the Triforce and Ganon - it was the Sacred Realm, which already existed. It was just twisted and remade by Ganon's wish.

How could he if it clearly states in the storyline of ALttP that Agnahim was nothing more than a mind pupet he was controlling through spirit from the Sacred Realm/Dark World. That is why Agnahim looks so much like a mumified zomby under his cloak. He is only alive through Ganon controlling him!

Nowhere does it ever say that he is nothing but a "mind puppet".



Why are you all trying to hard to come up with crazy theories to explain that Agahnim is a Sheikah from the Fierce Wars? It'd be easier to assume he's not one at all. Your only evidence that he is a Shiekah is the eye.

And, you know what? That eye appears on the doorways of Ganon's chamber in the Forsaken Fortress in tWW as well. Does that make Ganon a Sheikah? No, of course not.

Better to simply assume that the meaning of the symbol evolved over time, originally meaning shadows and the Sheikah, but changing to mean just shadows, darkness, and evil. Makes more sense than these ridiculous time-traveling Shiekah druid theories you're spewing.

Well you sore tore the Hell out of this whol speculation. I respect yur points here. But no offence sir. I still assume ALttP comes after OoT.

The reason I believed Agnahim was a mind puppet by Ganon is because after Link defeated him the second time in the Dark World I recall seing Ganons spirit arize from his body and then turn into a bat and he flew to the Temple of Light.

Also you kind of threw off the whole concept of why Link needed the Master Sword to defeat Agnahim. Realy, think about it. If Link only needed so much as a bug catching net to defeat Agnahim, why would he even go through all the trouble to get the Master Sword. The whole bug catching net trick is nothing more than a mere glitch that happends to work like it does.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

The whole bug catching net trick is nothing more than a mere glitch that happends to work like it does.

Or it was put in as a joke, such as reflecting Ganon's magic with an empty bottle in OoT.

Whatever the case, I agree with l-o-s. Except that I really don't pay attention to timeline theories, and don't care to.

-IANVS