Agahnim The Lost Sheika in Time

^beeter is not a word, but I'm assuming it means better, and no it wasnt, Alttp was intended to be a prequel of sorts to LoZ and AoL

Its silly to think that aganhim was a sheikah, at the time Alttp was made, the sheikah did not even exsist, and like L-o-s said, the eye symbol has been used in zelda pratically forever, its just a symbol like the snakes on the sheild of the darknuts in tWW are. A Symbol and nothing less, stop trying to connect everyhing, many things in zelda are not meant to be connected.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

^beeter is not a word, but I'm assuming it means better, and no it wasnt, Alttp was intended to be a prequel of sorts to LoZ and AoL

I totaly agree with you on this one. I sincerely think Janus here is denying a valuable fact about the Master Swords purpose in ALttP just becaus lord of shadow says so!. :mad:

Also I know you have read my timeline but I also believe ALttP is a prequel to the Oracle legends as well.

ALttP could be before or after OoT.

My take on this is that Agahnim just disguised himself as a Sheikah in order to get the King's trust. That way he could infiltrate the Castle and kill the King and take over.

I don't believe he was actually a Sheikah.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

And, you know what? That eye appears on the doorways of Ganon's chamber in the Forsaken Fortress in tWW as well. Does that make Ganon a Sheikah? No, of course not.

I have to agree with this... you even see the symbol on the sheild of the Moblin enimies in the new Zelda game... I think it is just a sybol used to symbolize power... everything that it has been on has or represents some sort of power... of course it could be a syabol for Ganon but that it was on Sheik kinda rules that out...

I guss I reconsider... I only thought Agnahim was a Sheika based on the symbol. But if the symbol represents shadows and evil why would Impa from OoT wear such a ghastly mark upon herself. She is not evil and she is of the shadow folk?

I don't know if I'm the only one that has stated this in this thread but, I actually think Agahnimn is a member of the Zulu tribe (I think I spelt it correctly...Zulu). Now my reasons why I think this: Compare the clothes you see Agahnim wears and the ones of the Zulu tribesmen that wears red (this is only if memory serves me right). Other than the feather on their hats, I think they are pretty simular. The Zulu could be an explanation for Agahnim's past as well as some hint to the connection in the timeline (it could very well be possible that FSA takes place somewhere near ALttP). I really don't see a reason why they'd (Nintendo) make a new race of Hyrule if it has little significance in the game. All we know of the Zulu is they are a neighboring tribe to the Gerudos and they made the temples of the desert.

As for the Sheika symbol, I have no idea (probably it was just a design when ALttP was made. Remember, ALttP was made before OoT). But if you also want to talk about symbols on enemies, you should also take a look at Vaati (he is an eyeball), Veran, and General Onox.

-BGS

Symbols change over time my friend, The eye that once represented the sheikah, overtime changed, was adopted by Ganon to mean something evil.

The manji (i think its called that) was once a symbol for wealth and prosperity, but then hitler took it and made it into the swaztica (dunt know how to spell it), a symbol, once found in africa, to mean somthing so wonderful, now puts fear and hatred into our hearts.

Same thing with the cross/crucifix, it was once a torture device used by many cultures, the romans made it popular, then jesus died on it, and a religion was made out of it, and now it is the symbol for one of the most popular religions

I wounder if in another Zelda game that comes out, will be in regards to the Sheika race playing a big role in the game like the Gorons, Zora, Geredo, ect. Probably not based on OoT... We know so little about there nature in the history of Hyrule. "hmmm..."

its a nice observation but it is NOT the same symbol as the sheikah. the eye on agahnims cloak has two curved almost crescant moon like shapes running on the sides . the sheikah have three marks aboce the eye and one below. agahnim is an old wizard that was a pawn of ganon. id be more inclined to believe he was gerudo decent, another male born 100 years or more after ganondorf. besides the sheikah have always served the royal family in secret and there has never been an evil sheikah. considering we only really know about one.

all you need to do is compair the pictures...


there are big differences...

What about Veran? Impa, Sheik, Agnahim, and Veran have different eye symbols yes, but you can't help to look at some simularities between the eyes design. Over time like vacumgod said a wile ago, that these signs may have evolved to mean something different. Something evil.

But all in all the eye symbols nonetheless stand for shadowness and darkness.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

I sincerely think Janus here is denying a valuable fact about the Master Swords purpose in ALttP just becaus lord of shadow says so!.

Dude, I don't have some major, complex timeline theory! I simply don't believe that every little thing in the Zelda series has some huge, deep meaning, that's all.
Have a cookie. *cookie*

-IANVS

other then the oval eye, i dont see a connection. veran and onx both had ganons symbol on their armor and that was blatant since they were working for twinrova/ganon. those symbols had a meaning, impa and sheiks both have a meaning since they are sheikah, agahnims eye is an oddity. and look at his clothes, total arabian i think he is gerudo or at least from a desert.

Originally Posted by Janus

Dude, I don't have some major, complex timeline theory! I simply don't believe that every little thing in the Zelda series has some huge, deep meaning, that's all.
Have a cookie. *cookie*

-IANVS

Actually Janus, its quite logical and entirely possible that Nintendo has all of this done, and gives us such clues to make us think of such things, and see if anyone can come up with it, or something close to. I believe that the whole timeline and everything of Zelda is all written already, and that say the GB side-quests, as they were referred to in another thread I believe, were additions in between big long era gaps, to add to the ever growing(which I'm sure it is, or atleast will be) story.

So your saying this guy, "that told me to have a dam... cookie" is right on what part. That interesting topics like mine have no purpose and discussion worthwhile... (IF I took that what he said seriously, which I don't, I would be offended...) Further more I don't care what he just said. And he can just have a cookie.

Zelda is a game and all but I do think there are connections between the legends and Nintendo is or has built something up for us concerning where the history of the Triforce through the games, like discussed in my recent articles.

If Nintendo HAD this figured out about the connections between the legends, I wish they would hurry it up a bit, because I'm tired of hearing Mr. Miyamotos out dated time line from a couple of years ago, being used by some still! :mad: Its outdated and Miyamoto needs an update on this whole matter. Or maybe he’s to confused about it himself because of how he thought time split in two directions at the end of OoT. I just cant believe that and I will never get it why he thought of that in the first place. It didn't even have to go there.

Maybe nintendo thought it looked cool and stole it from themselves.

LOZ Historian - I never swore at you. And I notice that you deleted your response to my post.

kosterz- Lighten up. Read what I've said again. I don't believe that everything is connected. I don't take the games that seriously. Didn't Miyamoto say that even he doesn't know how everything works out?
By all means, keep trying to figure this stuff out. Just don't expect me to conform.
Have a cookie.

-IANVS

Janus: I did read your post, and I respect your opinion, and YOU shouldn't act so childish about another person's opinion, by using such lines as "Have a cookie." I don't know how old you are, but it doesn't, what matters is you should respect people and their opinions. And I'm not expecting you to conform, if you don't, then don't, if you do, then go for it, its YOUR choice, not mine. But dude, grow up.

LOZ Historian: Where did I state that he is right? Seriously, I can't find it.

I think its time for everyone to simmer down now before this gets out of hand, kosterz, janus, LoZhistorian, all of ya, just stop.

But anywho! Though I dont think ALL of the legends are connected, there are some that definantly ARE, Alttp, LoZ, AoL... the first three games were definatly intended to be some sort of trilogy, OoT,MM, tWW, yet another trilogy, and then we have TMC, FS, FSA, and this whole timeline nonesense is just trying to somehow connect these three trilogies, while at the same time, add in a few GB games

Never got riled up, personally. Sorry if that's how you translated it.

kosterz, I wasn't bashing anyone's opinion. I just disagreed. *oh, and we're both 16.* I was also playing around with the "have a cookie."
I read your first response rather quickly and somehow took it the wrong way. Sorry about that. And sure, it is possible that they're connected, but I don't believe so.

And I'll say it once again: I don't think that the games are connected in every way, shape, and form. I don't believe that Agahnim is a Sheikah. I think that Nintendo just thought that eye symbol would be neat to use.

-IANVS

EDIT
Look, I'm tired of this stupid flame war. Sorry for upsetting you. Now why don't we just put this behind us?