DISAPPOINTED IN ALTTP

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

Yes, I found each 3D Zelda far more difficult than a Link to the Past, except maybe the Wind Waker. The 3D dungeons were way harder, and the minigames actually require some skill, an direction is not always obvious. In a Link to the Past, you have a ♥♥♥♥ing map that details where everything is. Every dungeon takes less than 20 minutes to complete, and the enemies require no tactics to defeat.

I really don remember anything on a Link to the Past that caused me to pause for a second or required me to think ahead. Not to mention the game is incredibly boring and all the dungeons are the same. A Link to the Past- all nostalgia, no substance.

all Nostalgia and no substance is hilarous coming from an IU fan. Also what you had trouble with the Great Deku tree because its hard to look around the room with a camera. Listen the only 3d temple that is even worth mentioning in the breath of link to the past dungeons is the Great Bay temple that actually added a tough new twist never seen before. If Links to the Past was so crappy then why is Ocarina of time and Twilight Princess still copying it so much.

Deku Tree easy linear
Dodongo Cavern not bad for a second dungeon.
Jaba Jaba Belly linear
Forest Temple decent but not as tricky as skull woods of ALLTP
Fire Temple my god that was linear
Water Temple basically stole the Swamp Palace idea and made a huge temple out of it. Hard temple but a stolen idea from alltp
Shadow Temple: can that even be consider a dungeon its so linear
Spirit Temple not bad but way easier then Turtle Rock for a last dungeon
Wood Fall easy and linear
Snow Head I don't remember it because it was so easy
Great Bay the best 3d dungeon made
Stone Tower decent but overated
Twilight Princess dungeons are joke I play them drunk and get past all those dungeons because they are so linear.

ALTTP was a lot more difficult than the last few major releases of Zelda, I'd argue. Granted I haven't beat or really played for more than 10 minutes, ALTTP since I was like 9 years old, but regardless I remember it being a lot more difficult than OOT/MM/WW mainly because of the controls and the fact that it's a 2d game.

2D=difficult?

Originally Posted by Kasuto

2D=difficult?

not nessarily but the makers of the game make the 3d ones really linear because they think the good graphics make it harder so they put these lack luster dungeons that have the key in the same room as the locked door. A few temples in 3d didn't have that problem though as Forest Temple, Water Temple, and Great Bay Temple kind of had the ALTTP formula where it wasn't quite as easy. Although the Tatl gives huge hints in the great bay temple and you wouldn't have that in the 2d game.

Originally Posted by Poeman22

Twilight Princess dungeons are joke I play them drunk and get past all those dungeons because they are so linear.

Maybe you are a 30 year old man who sits alone in the dark getting drunk whilst playing Zelda, but the games weren't marketed at people like you.

I first played Twilight Princess at the age of 11, and I found it really difficult. I then replayed the game at 16, and found it no where near as difficult, but still challenging and enjoyable.

Let's keep this thread about ALttP and not Twilight Princess. I cannot defeat Moldorm in the Tower of Hera, due to the tiny space and constant shoving. I don't think it's difficult, but the limitation of space and the size of the boss makes it extremely challenging: more than it needs to be.

Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

Maybe you are a 30 year old man who sits alone in the dark getting drunk whilst playing Zelda, but the games weren't marketed at people like you.

I first played Twilight Princess at the age of 11, and I found it really difficult. I then replayed the game at 16, and found it no where near as difficult, but still challenging and enjoyable.

Let's keep this thread about ALttP and not Twilight Princess. I cannot defeat Moldorm in the Tower of Hera, due to the tiny space and constant shoving. I don't think it's difficult, but the limitation of space and the size of the boss makes it extremely challenging: more than it needs to be.

I'm 22 depends on what time of day if I have the lights on or not Zelda is kind of scary. Sometimes you just feel like popping open a cold one and playing a video game I know you'll understand once you lose the diaper baby. I'm sorry to say but I played ALTTP as a kid and every other kid had it. These days not everyone has a Wii let alone Zelda Twilight Princess which isn't that popular compared to ALTTP.

Originally Posted by Poeman22

I'm 22 depends on what time of day if I have the lights on or not Zelda is kind of scary. Sometimes you just feel like popping open a cold one and playing a video game I know you'll understand once you lose the diaper baby.

Mate, I don't know what you were doing at 16, but we sure as hell don't wear diapers nowadays.

Originally Posted by Poeman22

I'm sorry to say but I played ALTTP as a kid and every other kid had it. These days not everyone has a Wii let alone Zelda Twilight Princess which isn't that popular compared to ALTTP.

I personally blame the rise of the Xbox and COD.

Everything you said easily be said about ALTTP. There is absolutely no difficult packed into those 20 minute dungeons, and as I said before, they're all the same. The first three dungeons of OoT were cakeous, but they would still clobber the first three in ALTTP. The next five in OoT make ALTTP's linear and repetitive dungeons look like even more of a disgrace than they already were. The Water Temple in OoT was difficult to navigate, and required exploration and thinking, while in the Swamp Palace, the water-changing levers were placed right in your path. ♥♥♥♥, in the majority of the palaces you get the map, compass, key, and item in the first few rooms. And yeah, definitely all nostalgia. If this game had been released today as a new game, people would call it a ♥♥♥♥ty, boring, tedious, and repetitive version of OoT. It's only loved because of its release date.

Say what you want about IU, but all I know is that I'll be enjoying basketball this season (as well as last year).

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

Everything you said easily be said about ALTTP. There is absolutely no difficult packed into those 20 minute dungeons, and as I said before, they're all the same. The first three dungeons of OoT were cakeous, but they would still clobber the first three in ALTTP. The next five in OoT make ALTTP's linear and repetitive dungeons look like even more of a disgrace than they already were. The Water Temple in OoT was difficult to navigate, and required exploration and thinking, while in the Swamp Palace, the water-changing levers were placed right in your path. ♥♥♥♥, in the majority of the palaces you get the map, compass, key, and item in the first few rooms. And yeah, definitely all nostalgia. If this game had been released today as a new game, people would call it a ♥♥♥♥ty, boring, tedious, and repetitive version of OoT. It's only loved because of its release date.

Say what you want about IU, but all I know is that I'll be enjoying basketball this season (as well as last year).

I see what your trying to do and it just doesn't work. You are literally trying to compare Ben Franklin to a Electrian these days. Ben Franklin will always be the first to invent the Light Bulb etc and so what that a random guy these days can make a blue Light bulb he will never be as famous as Ben Franklin. OOT didn't come first which is why it was able to steal all of its ideas. It did a good job of tranfering to a N64 style and I'll always have respect for OOT but it would be nothing without ALTTP to take a bunch of ideas from.

You can't say "well what if ALTTP was after OOT" well if that was the case OOT would be a terrible game because it wouldn't have got all its ideas from ALTTP. Lost Woods, Lake Hylia, Karikro Villiage, the water temple basicall a huge Swamp Palace.

Really the last 5 dungeons lets compare then

Forest Temple vs Skull Woods= Forest Temple by a little. Skull woods is easy if you know what to do but its easier to get confused there then the forest temple.

Thieves Town vs Fire Temple= no contest Thieves town Fire Temple was a joke talk about a dungeon you can beat in 10 minutes.

Water Temple vs Ice Palace= If you have the cane of somia then Ice Palace isn't that big of a deal but if you don't have the cane it'll be harder then the water temple.

Shadow Temple vs Misery Mire= hahahahahah you are comparing the most linear dungeon to the most confusing Misery Mire wins in landslide

Spirit Temple vs Turtle Rock= another landslide for a Link to the past. You didn't have to worry about the magic meter the whole time in spirit temple and its just not as hard.

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Originally Posted by Ningan the Lone Ninja

Mate, I don't know what you were doing at 16, but we sure as hell don't wear diapers nowadays.

I partied in highschool and drank which is why I thought it was weird that you thought me being drinking playing the game was a foreign thing to you. I figured if you weren't drinking by then you weren't doing other things big boys do. jk by the way me and my buddies always say "take off that diaper" if you aren't maning up etc.

Originally Posted by Poeman22

I partied in highschool and drank which is why I thought it was weird that you thought me being drinking playing the game was a foreign thing to you. I figured if you weren't drinking by then you weren't doing other things big boys do. jk by the way me and my buddies always say "take off that diaper" if you aren't maning up etc.

I'm getting drunk tonight, but I wasn't going to post it on a Zelda fan base.

For me, it definitely isn't nostalgia talking when I praise A Link to the Past. I didn't play the game for the first time until it was remade for GBA. I played Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Wind Waker first.

And I truly cannot comprehend how A Link to the Past is easier than OoT, MM, WW, TP and SS. I died many times. A couple of bosses (Helmasaur King and Blind in particular) are very hard. And Turtle Rock? Holy crap, that dungeon is tough.

The puzzles are not as elaborate in A Link to the Past, but I think figuring out where to go and "solving" the dungeon as a whole is just as hard. ALTTP is much less puzzle focused than the 3D games (though more puzzle focused than the NES games).

I'd credit subsequent Zeldas for having more elaborate puzzle, more story, better side-quests, better graphics, more diverse game-play and so on, but having more challenge? I don't see that at all.

I died more in ALTTP than in OoT, sure, but dying in no way defines the difficulty of a game. The Water Temple clobbers the Ice Palace. I didn't use any such came that you speak of, and it was still a breeze, completed in less than 20 minutes just like the rest. ALTTP could have been hard if it didn't slam hearts and full magic refills (a la Turtle Rock) down your throat, and if they didn't hand the map, compass, key, and item to you in the first five minutes of each dungeon. Dungeons can't be hard when they all have the same puzzles and introduce very few new enemies in each. Don't get me started on those three-hit bosses either.

Me too. I died plenty more times but it took me less amount of time to complete than OoT. But neither of these convey it's level of difficulty.

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

I died more in ALTTP than in OoT, sure, but dying in no way defines the difficulty of a game. The Water Temple clobbers the Ice Palace. I didn't use any such came that you speak of, and it was still a breeze, completed in less than 20 minutes just like the rest. ALTTP could have been hard if it didn't slam hearts and full magic refills (a la Turtle Rock) down your throat, and if they didn't hand the map, compass, key, and item to you in the first five minutes of each dungeon. Dungeons can't be hard when they all have the same puzzles and introduce very few new enemies in each. Don't get me started on those three-hit bosses either.

ALTTP doesn't slam either down your throat. If you know certain methods of killing enemies (like using the Ice Rod) results in certain drops, then that's special knowledge. But I tried not to use magic because refilling it was so difficult.

Since when do ALTTP dungeons give you the item, map, compass, and key in the first five minutes of a first run through the game? If you're speedrunning or very experienced, then yes, you can beat dungeons easily, but your first run of the dungeons is not a simple, five-minute ordeal. They're just simply too big. Theives' Town's item isn't even really used in the dungeon.

The puzzles. Now, think for a moment. This game was released when? 1991. Yes. Over 20 years ago. It was the third Zelda ever created, and by golly it set a standard that wasn't reached until OoT, and arguably hasn't been reached since. You think the SNES *might* have had some hardware restrictions that limited its puzzles just a tiny, tiny bit? Even today, it's very obvious a lot of work went into diversifying the dungeons and enemies. You would be hard pressed to find greater diversity in opponents even in modern games. Each area had a theme that was well illustrated in its artstyle, presentation, and type of enemy.

And don't get me started on the bosses. Some were easy, yes. You find that in every game. Examples in ALttP are Helmasaur King, the Ice Palace boss, the Water dungeon boss... but then there are the hard ones. The bosses of Misery Mire, Skull Woods, Hera's Tower- these are some of the most difficult in the genre. If you find these to be too easy for you on your first run, then you are an amazing gamer, and the Zelda series is probably not for you. I mean, even glorious OoT had its Gohma, King Dodongo, and Amorpha. Easy as they come, but no one complains about them.

I don't complain about the first few bosses of OoT being easy because all of them were fun, and some also had a decent difficulty level, such as Bongo Bongo and Amorpha (without the Biggoron Sword). However, all OoT bosses were unique and fun.

No, I didn't do anything special to get free full magic refills and countless. The game shoves those down your throat, and all you have to do to get them is kill enemies with simple sword slashes.

The year is 2012, not 1991. I judge games based on quality, not release date.

In any case, I found ALTTP easier than OoT in almost every way. It seems the only argument ALTTP fanboys have for the game's greatness is it's s false difficulty.

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

I don't complain about the first few bosses of OoT being easy because all of them were fun, and some also had a decent difficulty level, such as Bongo Bongo and Amorpha (without the Biggoron Sword). However, all OoT bosses were unique and fun.

Give reasons why the ALttP bosses weren't fun and unique. OoT's bosses have the three-hit rule too.

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

No, I didn't do anything special to get free full magic refills and countless. The game shoves those down your throat, and all you have to do to get them is kill enemies with simple sword slashes.

You must have been extremely lucky, because magic drops were far more rare than heart or rupees (and you get a crapton of rupees).

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

The year is 2012, not 1991. I judge games based on quality, not release date.

So anything made before 2012 is awful, then? Whenever you judge a game, common sense and basic logic demands you take the context into view. ALttP literally shaped the games that followed for years, and none even came close. That should be an indicator of how big it was. Just because you're used to the high-res, complicated, 3D modeled games is no basis to condemn a gem of yesteryear. If 2D's aren't your forte, then that's perfectly fine. Throwing sludge on the crown jewel of a series because it was made over 20 years ago and you didn't like a few small things is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

In any case, I found ALTTP easier than OoT in almost every way. It seems the only argument ALTTP fanboys have for the game's greatness is it's s false difficulty.

1. You're sort of using a straw man here. If you read my posts, I put a ton more than difficulty level as my argument for its greatness.

2. I am not a blind fanboy, and I dislike the negative connotation associated with that word. Alternatively, would you prefer me to start calling you an OoT fanboy in return, as that's the game you keep running back to judge it from?

3. Ocarina of Time is generally accepted as the only game that rivals or surpasses ALttP. It contains the same basic plot (I don't need to explain the obvious, do I?), expands upon the same lore, and some even go so far as to say it's ALttP in 3D. I too, consider OoT to be an amazing game. You cannot, however, compare gameplay. It's completely different. I mean, not only was OoT made 7 years later, but it's combat and item systems were designed for a 3D world (that was a lot smaller than ALttP's, especially with two separate worlds, might I add). There's no comparison there. And even in OoT, once you figure out the best way to fight enemies, you end up going through with little difficulty. I sure did.

In 2D's, there's a lot more limitation in how you are able to fight, without getting very creative and getting advanced hardware (Minish Cap, anyone?).

The vast majority of people found ALttP to be fun, challenging, and rewarding to play. If you didn't, that's fine. There's not only no way to change that, but trying to convince you that you should have had a fun time is pointless. Your experience was your experience. At the same time, don't bash the game with bogus, generalized statements that common sense invalidates. History alone tells us it was an amazing game for just about everyone who played it. Except the people in this thread :p

You criticize me for not coming up with real reasons as to way ALTTP is sub-mediocre, when you're argument throughout your entire post is "but everyone likes it!" OoT is not a 3D version of ALTTP. It introduced a ♥♥♥♥ ton (Epona, adult/child, challenging puzzles, more developed story, better characters), not just a formula (executed to the minimum in ALTTP).

OoT's the only one that rivals or surpasses ALTTP. If that's true, that's awful news for the franchise. Anyway, I've noticed a lot of people favoring MM, TP, and even SS to OoT. Therefore, Ocarina is certainly not the only one that rivals ALTTP.

You missed my entire point if you think that. I'm not responding to it.

And yet your argument here is "people think this". Do you not realize I base my arguments on fact, while you base yours on opinion and unquantifiable statements? You haven't answered any of my points. I'm done here.

Originally Posted by IUHoosiersFan22

In any case, I found ALTTP easier than OoT in almost every way. It seems the only argument ALTTP fanboys have for the game's greatness is it's s false difficulty.

I loved ALttP, but I found that the difficulty was all too real. It obviously wasn't the perplexity of the puzzles, but the strength of the enemies and too few heart and magic refills lying around to make the dungeons a cakewalk. You may think this, but the thing is most people who have played ALttP to attest to it being rather challenging compared to the 3D titles. In fact, I expected Ocarina of Time to actually be a healthy challenge, but it was nothing close to that. 'Twas fun, though.

lets just be real because this thread is going on too long. Alttp was easy, it was fun, the music was great the story was epic, the backstory was classic and if you had trouble beating the game then you probably shouldnt play zelda anymore lol.. no offense but the game was more fun than difficult. thats just my opinion