True Zelda Fans

Now I'm not here to flame or whine at anyone, but to set the facts stright with these nostalgic Ocarina of Time-crazed psychopaths that see that game as the only "true" Zelda game in... the whole series.

Not so long ago, I read a thread by The Goron Moron, where she noted how people were craving for a game that shares many similarities with their childhood game, Ocarina of Time. Twilight Princess came along, as she said, and it had some very notable similarties to Ocarina of Time.


I think The Goron Moron brought most of the subject about people wanting change and then moaning about it change, so I will get to the point: change is good, and you are not a true Zelda fan if you do not accept it. In fact, some of you actually clearly state, "Ocarina of Time is the only true Zelda game." And you call yourselves a fan of the series?

Each Zelda game has seen something new, so let us begin with A Link to the Past. After A Link to the Past, the next game, its sequel (apparnatly) was set on an island called Konholint, featured new characters, new locations, ect.. It also featured an interesting item that could let one fly/jump small distances across ledges.

After Link's Awakening, we got Ocarina of Time, the first 3d Zelda. The only thing that made this game special was that most of you, including myself, grew up with it. It also has some amazing music... but don't all Zelda games now? As well as this, it was the first Zelda game to feature blood (though very few actually noticed it) and had some very disturbing creatures (ReDeads, Dead Hand, Bongo Bongo), but doesn't Twilight Princess have this, too (ReDeads, Death Sword, upside down Llias).

Ever since the release of Ocarina of Time, people have been endlessly moaning and moaning about every new Zelda game not being like it, or moaning that Twilight Princess was too similar. For a start, Ocarina of Time does NOT deserve credit, as that game strongly took things from A Link to the Past, the first game to intrduce true dungeons, Zelda's theme, notable music, Hyrule Castle, Kakariko Village, character personalities, a deeper story, Ganon having a follower, Lake Hylia, Desert, ect., all of which were introduced in this game and have been strong, loved themes ever since. But, most of you say that it was Ocarina of Time that made the series true; you are wrong, as that game took the elements mostly introduced in the third game.

If anything, The Legend of Zelda and A Link to the past were the games that truly shaped the series, the first obviously being the first to even introduce the title and The Legend of Zelda's theme; the third being the game that named Hyrule commonly seen landmarks, towns, and music; the second was a bit of a black sheep, but I love it anyway; the fourth game was the first to intrduce the idea of a game outside of Hyrule, and a new villain, Dethl, the nightmare creature that can seemingly take the form of any monster or boss that Link has ever faced, or the things that frighten him.

Ocarina of Time only truly introduced 3d, nothing more. Even the use of an Ocarina was something that was first seen in A Link to the Past. Don't get me wrong; I loved the game, but I hate seeing people credit that game for the common Zelda elements seen in most of the games. Ocarina of Time is certainly not the best game in my eyes.

Link's Awakening introduced the concept of a game outside of Hyrule (one the best, lesser known Zelda games), Majora's Mask featured transformation and a parallel world (it wasn't Hyrule, so some people moaned), The Wind Waker intrduced the flooded Hyrule era and sailing concept (which people moaned about), Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures features the four-split Links to control and a new sword to use (which some apparantly complained about, others never got to play because it is multi-player, unfortunately), The Minish Cap intrduced shrinking (only problem was the unavoidable cut-scene), Twilight Princess introduced the transformation into a wolf and actually having a companion that helps you in fights (people moaned about being a wolf, some moaned that Midna was useless; what the hell? She freakin' helped using her dark magic when in your wolf form, you fool!), Phantom Hourglass featured a new enemy (though he did lack character depth...), and Spirit Tracks will feature train travel and having a companion Phantom to control that fights as well as you (people want Epona back AGAIN; the technology has advanced quite a bit since by this game, so it only makes sense that they allow this).

I love all Zedla games, even Adventure of Link, dispite its devious hardness and annoyance. True Zelda fans accept change and don't complain about everything. Some poeple were moaning about The Wind Waker Graphics (which I think are beautiful), then they were complaining about the Twilight Princess graphics, too, saying that "Link looks gay" and all of that other crap. Grow up and become a real Zelda, and accept the change.

If it's not this, it's that, ect.. Some people will never learn. There will never be a "perfect" Zelda game, as there is no such thing. All Zelda games are unique in their own way. In fact, true fans should find it hard saying what their favourite game is, such as myself. All I can say is that Ocarina of Time is not within my higher favourites. I cringe every time that someone mentions how it is "perfect". It sickens me. Though I do not agree with the existence of perfection, A Link to the Past was the game that can truly earn the title of perfection; it was new, freash, great graphics, good lenght, new ideas, large enough overworld, character personality, ect.. Perfect. And the fact that the game was actually made in '94 stunns me beyond epic belief.

If you agree with me, say it.
I'm sure most of you do, except for those nostalgic psychotpaths.
And yes, psychpaths. You must be in Ocarina of Time is the only "true" game in your eyes. Go see a Zelda psycatrist about that; I'm sure they will fix your views on Zelda.

DUDE!!! I completely agree with you, when i started actually posting in this forum, I was way into it because everyone had knew ideas of thing and not the same old ****, over and over again we have now.

I will admit Ocarina of Time was good, but A Link to the Past was better even Twilight Princess was as good as it, HDM, keep up what your doing and hopefully new ides and topics will keep on coming and may you inspire everyone else to think that Ocarina of Time was not the so-called "true" Zelda game

What do you mean when you say ALttP introduced true dungeons?

OoT did improve on some things from ALttP, but it was very similar to the older game. Mainly because it was meant to tell ALttP's backstory. Originally.

Now I agree that saying OoT is the only true Zelda is stupid. Though I don't think psychopath is the correct word.

I agree with you, mostly.

I agree with you completely. Too bad the fanboys will rip you a new behind.

Originally Posted by Chad

What do you mean when you say ALttP introduced true dungeons?

OoT did improve on some things from ALttP, but it was very similar to the older game. Mainly because it was meant to tell ALttP's backstory. Originally.

Now I agree that saying OoT is the only true Zelda is stupid. Though I don't think psychopath is the correct word.

I agree with you, mostly.

A Link to the Past was the first to see dungeons the way they are now; before that was, well, the 'underworld'. I can't explain it, but the Underoworld and Palaces from the first two games weren't quite what we see as "the dungeons". They were... different. After A Link to the Past, the creators kept the traditional theme for dungeons, all of which tend to be assosiated with a certain element or function now (forst, fire, water, wind, earth, light, shadow, ice, ect..).

They were intending for A Link to the Past's backstory to be Ocarina of Time, but they made far too many errors, and so now no one knows which game it is refering to, though most of us except that it is refering to Four Swords Adventures, as that game takes place very close to it, features Ganon getting the Tident of Power that he uses in A Link to the Past, and he gets sealed by seven maidens, who are the sage's decendents... so, that fits well enough to be the A Link to the Past backstory.

Ehh, I consider myself a "true Zelda fan" because I love the series and I accept every game as it is.

I completely agree with you ^^, except for one thing...
I've not seen these people who claim OoT is the 'true Zelda game' of the series, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough XD

Ok, yeah I see about the dungeons. There's a good list of things ALttP did that became the staple of the series. For some reason, I still like OoT better. In some ways.

Originally Posted by Teekay

I completely agree with you ^^, except for one thing...
I've not seen these people who claim OoT is the 'true Zelda game' of the series, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough XD

Oh, they're out there, I tell you! There are lots of them on YouTube, going on about how Ocarina of Time is the only "true" Zelda game and all of that crap.

YouTube commenters are the stupidest group in all the internet. You seriously shouldn't let what they say get to you.

Originally Posted by Chad

Ok, yeah I see about the dungeons. There's a good list of things ALttP did that became the staple of the series. For some reason, I still like OoT better. In some ways.

The dungeons of Zelda one were pretty much all the same and just seem to require the use of one item and bombs, but there was no spceial element and theme to dungeons until A Link to the Past, in which they have continued ever since, now requiring the use of lots of different items to help with obstacles, such as fire, water, ice, light, ect..

A also think that it was A Link to the Past where the term 'dungeons' became something that everyone uses to call them on a basic level. Before, it was the underworle because they were, well, always under the ravaged Hyrule landscape of Zelda 1.

I think The Goron Moron brought most of the subject about people wanting change and then moaning about it change, so I will get to the point: change is good, and you are not a true Zelda fan if you do not accept it. In fact, some of you actually clearly state, "Ocarina of Time is the only true Zelda game." And you call yourselves a fan of the series?

I read up to here. My problem is that there isn't enough change. I don't want to know how to kill the bosses in a game that hasn't been released. Zelda is becoming so predictable.

Originally Posted by Mandrag

YouTube commenters are the stupidest group in all the internet. You seriously shouldn't let what they say get to you.

I have a YouTube account, too, you know. >_>

Then again, mine has nothing to do with Zelda or making videos that say my "time is flawless" and... I think you have probably seen the guy on YouTube with the "flawless" timeline. Boy, out of all timelines... What he said just scared me. I mean, A Link to the Past between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker, and not before Four Swords Adventures? And the original two NES Zelda games coming half way through the child timeline? No... He was so damn big-headed and arogant, too.

The only Zelda-related thing with me on YouTube is for the music and if I want to watch walkthroughs because I have lots all of my conoles to play the games myself anymore. In fact, my GameCube broke years ago, so no more Twilight Princess for me. Even my DS won't charge. Ugh, such awful luck I have.

Originally Posted by GK: 5895/9999

I read up to here. My problem is that there isn't enough change. I don't want to know how to kill the bosses in a game that hasn't been released. Zelda is becoming so predictable.

Miyamoto qouted, "We are thinking up new ideas for Zelda."
That wasn't long ago, either. All of the newers ones should introduce new elements and things. The problem is, so many people moan about the changes. The Wind Waker was a huge change: flooded Hyrule, islands, sea, ect.. And then people were moaning that they wante dHyrule field, unflooded Hyrule, and Epona back!

Boats beat Epona any day!

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

Miyamoto qouted, "We are thinking up new ideas for Zelda."
That wasn't long ago, either. All of the newers ones should introduce new elements and things. The problem is, so many people moan about the changes. The Wind Waker was a huge change: flooded Hyrule, islands, sea, ect.. And then people were moaning that they wante dHyrule field, unflooded Hyrule, and Epona back!

Boats beat Epona any day!

The people who moan about those things are dumb. Wind Waker was amazing, Phantom Hourglass's boat was fine, Spirit Track's train is fine. I want change with how the game plays out. This isn't mario, you can't just reuse the same empty story over and over.

Ugh, you know what. There are always two sides. People who don't want change, and people who do. The people who don't want change are the same who bawwww about things like a boat in Wind Waker, or the time mechanic in Majora's Mask. Seriously, are you kidding? Was the boat ugly? What the **** is wrong with those people? There's no need to complain and moan about your method of travel.

On the other side, you have people like me who want change. I didn't moan when I saw the boat, I thought it looked neat. I didn't moan with PH, TP or the new ST either. I complained about how the story and gameplay is exactly the same every time. Like I said, I don't want to know that hitting the eye of the boss means I win. I don't want to literally have the rule "press A to win" for every other enemy type. It's just boring.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

Boats beat Epona any day!

I honestly don't know whether I should take this statement seriously or not...

But yeah, I mostly agree with the first post. It shows how true Zelda fans will accept any change, but a lot of fans are really hard to please nowadays. What I don't agree with though is the fact that all OoT did was introduce 3-d. This is untrue. Not only did it introduce many races and landmark music, but it also introduced some very good dungeon design. ALttP's dungeon design kinda sucked in my opinion, so OoT fixed that by giving dungeons more of a focus on puzzles than action, unlike ALttP.

I'm not ashamed that I love Ocarina of Time just because it's popular. (Though I'm not suggesting that's what you were saying.)

I loved Majora's Mask equally, and Link to the Past. I've completed every Zelda game and each has it's own charm and merits. Everyone is entitled to a favourite, and I don't really care whether or not people want to regard themselves as 'true fans.'

I just know that I've been a fan of the franchise for such a long time and each game holds it's own memories for me. Whether games other than Ocarina of Time appeal to other people is not really a concern of mine.

That was the most true thing I have ever read. I actually find the train from ST funny, unlike some fans who cry about you not having Epona instead. I want change mostly, but I still like to see some stuff stay. Too many people want every game exactly like OoT, which is messed up. Ocarina of Time only had it so good with it's ratings because not only did most people grow up with it, but people who started with the 2D Zelda games were amazed at it being in 3D. We will not experience that again, because unless programmers can think up something more awesome than fresh 3D, Zelda will run dry if it doesn't change.

Virtual Reality, anyone?

I'm safe from the "OoT is my childhood" stereotype as I have MM as my favorite game. *snickers*
I agree with most of your post, except for TP. It's like an unwanted child, something that should've been aborted.

Originally Posted by Horny Dog Matt

Now I'm not here to flame or whine at anyone, but to set the facts stright with these nostalgic Ocarina of Time-crazed psychopaths that see that game as the only "true" Zelda game in... the whole series.

Not so long ago, I read a thread by The Goron Moron, where she noted how people were craving for a game that shares many similarities with their childhood game, Ocarina of Time. Twilight Princess came along, as she said, and it had some very notable similarties to Ocarina of Time.


I think The Goron Moron brought most of the subject about people wanting change and then moaning about it change, so I will get to the point: change is good, and you are not a true Zelda fan if you do not accept it. In fact, some of you actually clearly state, "Ocarina of Time is the only true Zelda game." And you call yourselves a fan of the series?

Like someone said earlier, Youtube comments are like skinny chicks in roller derbies: useless and there to draw attention.

Each Zelda game has seen something new, so let us begin with A Link to the Past. After A Link to the Past, the next game, its sequel (apparnatly) was set on an island called Konholint, featured new characters, new locations, ect.. It also featured an interesting item that could let one fly/jump small distances across ledges.

After Link's Awakening, we got Ocarina of Time, the first 3d Zelda. The only thing that made this game special was that most of you, including myself, grew up with it. It also has some amazing music... but don't all Zelda games now? As well as this, it was the first Zelda game to feature blood (though very few actually noticed it) and had some very disturbing creatures (ReDeads, Dead Hand, Bongo Bongo), but doesn't Twilight Princess have this, too (ReDeads, Death Sword, upside down Llias).

Ever since the release of Ocarina of Time, people have been endlessly moaning and moaning about every new Zelda game not being like it, or moaning that Twilight Princess was too similar. For a start, Ocarina of Time does NOT deserve credit, as that game strongly took things from A Link to the Past, the first game to intrduce true dungeons, Zelda's theme, notable music, Hyrule Castle, Kakariko Village, character personalities, a deeper story, Ganon having a follower, Lake Hylia, Desert, ect., all of which were introduced in this game and have been strong, loved themes ever since. But, most of you say that it was Ocarina of Time that made the series true; you are wrong, as that game took the elements mostly introduced in the third game.

That's like saying Super Metroid was akin to Metroid Prime. The core is there (fending off space pirates to get to Mother Brain aka Metroid Prime), yet the ways to get there are much different. Charge beam, ice beam, missiles: all there. But lock-on? Whole different game. In theory ALttP was the same as OoT: but Z-targeting added a whole new element to a whole new game.

Ocarina of Time only truly introduced 3d, nothing more. Even the use of an Ocarina was something that was first seen in A Link to the Past. Don't get me wrong; I loved the game, but I hate seeing people credit that game for the common Zelda elements seen in most of the games. Ocarina of Time is certainly not the best game in my eyes.

See above Z-targeting rant.

I love all Zedla games, even Adventure of Link, dispite its devious hardness and annoyance. True Zelda fans accept change and don't complain about everything. Some poeple were moaning about The Wind Waker Graphics (which I think are beautiful), then they were complaining about the Twilight Princess graphics, too, saying that "Link looks gay" and all of that other crap. Grow up and become a real Zelda, and accept the change.

I suggest you stop telling people what a "true" Zelda fan is. I have never played AoL, LA, and the Oracles. Am I not worthy to play the others then? Am I not a true Scotsman Zelda fan?

If it's not this, it's that, ect.. Some people will never learn. There will never be a "perfect" Zelda game, as there is no such thing. All Zelda games are unique in their own way. In fact, true fans should find it hard saying what their favourite game is, such as myself. All I can say is that Ocarina of Time is not within my higher favourites. I cringe every time that someone mentions how it is "perfect". It sickens me. Though I do not agree with the existence of perfection, A Link to the Past was the game that can truly earn the title of perfection; it was new, freash, great graphics, good lenght, new ideas, large enough overworld, character personality, ect.. Perfect. And the fact that the game was actually made in '94 stunns me beyond epic belief.

If you agree with me, say it.
I'm sure most of you do, except for those nostalgic psychotpaths.
And yes, psychpaths. You must be in Ocarina of Time is the only "true" game in your eyes. Go see a Zelda psycatrist about that; I'm sure they will fix your views on Zelda.

I suggest you stop telling those who favour OoT over the others that they are "psychopaths". Fanboiz like me will react. Oh, and check the contradictory bolded sentence out.

Love,
A True Scotsman