Majora's Mask: hidden conversations, events and other secrets.

Originally Posted by Fågelholken

If you talk to Cremia during the first day, she'll say that the cows are coming from "the heavens", and that they were a gift from her father. She's likely just making this up since she's practicing her "salesman pitch", however, noting the aliens arrival and everything, there's probably some truth to it....

I not sure about that, because Cremia doesn't believe in the aliens that invade the farm.

Yesterday when I was having a little fun in the pirates fortress I found some odd things.

1: Deku Scrub owns the pirate ninjas, simply spin into them then press B to shoot them with a bubble 3 times. Battle takes 15 seconds tops.

2: When fighting the pirate ninjas, if you hit them with the goron's ball jump attack, the pirate flies in the air and starts spinning (Not a regular jump, your attack flings them in the air) then they regain balance, land behind you and try to attack. Try doing it over and over, and it looks like a jumping contest.

3: Hookshot room randomness. This doesn't trigger anything special, but it's fun to do. When your in the room where you originally found the hookshot, stand between the two barrels and aim your hookshot through the cracks and shoot the chest. Link will go right through the barrels, and if you were fast enough at pressing A you might be able to open the chest before the pirate captain spots you. That would an odd experience for the Gerudo, though. Some random weirdo comes flying out of nowheres and is just instantly infront of the chest.

I've known the moon travel one, but I've never thought a thing of it.
I think it was always there, because Cremia says "Lately, the moon blah blah blah." Note how she says lately.

Pretty cool, but, the "secret door" they talk about behind the bank guy in the video is a safe, because, well, it's a bank.

Originally Posted by Stick Link

I not sure about that, because Cremia doesn't believe in the aliens that invade the farm.

Well, that's kinda my point. I mean, she doesn't believe it, she probably thought it was random salesman talk, but the cows might actually be from the heavens. She does say they're special after all.
At least it would explain why the aliens want to abduct them, bring them home maybe?


And Neo, that's a good point, I've never thought about that. Indeed that does point towards the moon always existing.

The definite proof that the moon always existed in Termina is provided by Shikashi, the astronomer. Talk to him as a Goron or Zora, and this is what he says:

Well, yours is a face I'm not used to seeing... Are you here to do something for me? I am Shikashi, professor of astronomy! I have been enamored with the moon since I was a child. Now, I spend my days gazing at it from here. The moon has long been considered a mystical body, which people have worshiped and feared. That alone shows how the moon has a cosmic influence that affects our daily lives. But lately, there is something quite strange with the moon. Strange, indeed... It seems as though the moon is being pulled down by something and is slowly drawing closer.

No mention of the scary face though.

Wow, how has that been overlooked? Yeah, that's definitive proof.


Anyway, some more secrets I've thought of...


- The Happy Mask Salesman and the Swordsman will comment on every non-transformation mask that you show them.

- Nothing special, but put on the Bremens mask when the aliens are coming, it'll put out the music but you'll still hear the levitating sound of the aliens. As I said, nothing special, but it's just a little freaky to hear. (I always thought it was a part of the music)

- The Garo Master seems to be the only living Garo left. It is the only one that actually needs a bomb to kill itself without leaving a body, while the others are just spirits that leave their regrets behind and vanish.

(However, when you face all the mini-bosses that you've killed in the secret dungeon in Ikana, it still uses a bomb to destroy itself. This, however, might just be an overlook thing, that Nintendo forgot or didn't bother changing. Same as the fact that the curiosity shop owner is in Kafei's house at the same time as he's in his shop, although it's obvious they're the same person).

Originally Posted by Fågelholken

I'm not sure of all that's been said in this thread, but here are some secrets I've come across....


In the bomb shop, there are plans for moon travels on the wall.


Now either this means that the moon already was there beforehand (thus disproving the theory that the moon was created by Majora), or he wrote it recently...

more than that, the plans are for a rocket...which is sitting behind the counter. I'd bet he's working on it when you show up - he's always off behind the rocket when you walk in.

also, if you meet sakon in ikana valley before he robs the old woman, wear the stone mask and try to talk to him. he will throw a fit about Tatl flying right over him "it seems hostile!" and then spout some information about the girl and the man in the music box house, if I remember rightly.

found it by sheer accident <3

Originally Posted by Olympion

The definite proof that the moon always existed in Termina is provided by Shikashi, the astronomer. Talk to him as a Goron or Zora, and this is what he says:

Well, yours is a face I'm not used to seeing... Are you here to do something for me? I am Shikashi, professor of astronomy! I have been enamored with the moon since I was a child. Now, I spend my days gazing at it from here. The moon has long been considered a mystical body, which people have worshiped and feared. That alone shows how the moon has a cosmic influence that affects our daily lives. But lately, there is something quite strange with the moon. Strange, indeed... It seems as though the moon is being pulled down by something and is slowly drawing closer.

No mention of the scary face though.

The falling moon blatantly burned up and became a rainbow while screaming in pain after Majora's Wrath was killed, so it's likely that it wasn't the actual moon. We do know that there was a moon before it thanks to those quotes though.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

- The Garo Master seems to be the only living Garo left. It is the only one that actually needs a bomb to kill itself without leaving a body, while the others are just spirits that leave their regrets behind and vanish.

To be honest, that was probably just for an artistic effect, seeing as how the Garo Master's appearance certainly isn't natural and how one of his moves involves him vanishing for a moment in a rather ghostly way.

Anyway, on topic:

-Muto's apprentice apparently has a thing for Anju, seeing as how he threatens you to stay away from her if you talk to him while wearing Kafei's Mask on day one or two. If you want to test it out for yourself, Muto's apprentice is standing in South Clock Town and is shouting at the recruitment poster on the treasure chest building.

-Anju's grandmother was apparently a teacher before retirement, seeing as how she'll say something along the lines of "Dotour, if they pick on you come tell teacher," if you speak to her while wearing Kafei's Mask in the Stock Pot Inn.

-I haven't seen this mentioned in the thread yet, so here it goes. If you shoot Sakon (or rather, the stolen bomb bag he's carrying) with an arrow/fire arrow during the robbery on the first night, the bomb bag will explode and Sakon will be vaporized.

-If you play the Oath to Order atop the Clock Tower without all of the Giants freed yet, the cutscene will still play out normally (albeit without the moon stopping), resulting in seemingly worthless camera shots due to the absence of the imprisoned Giant(s). Also, when it cuts back to Link on the Clock Tower and he has one minute to play the Song of Time, you'll be able to see debris go flying toward the moon and a/some Giant(s) struggling to hold it up. You won't see the fiery aura around the moon though.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

The falling moon blatantly burned up and became a rainbow while screaming in pain after Majora's Wrath was killed, so it's likely that it wasn't the actual moon. We do know that there was a moon before it thanks to those quotes though.

Hmm, could be. But then, whatever happened to the real moon? Couldn't it be that the moon was just controlled by Majora, and as a side effect, burnt up when Majora lost its power?


[/QUOTE] To be honest, that was probably just for an artistic effect, seeing as how the Garo Master's appearance certainly isn't natural and how one of his moves involves him vanishing for a moment in a rather ghostly way. [/QUOTE]

Isn't natural? Well, should it be? Every Garo we've seen has that appearance, I'd say it's just the way they look.

And they are ninjas after all, disappearing is a normal act for them. We've seen that countless of times in Zelda (Ganon, Sheikah with deku nuts, wizrobe, etc), by magic and ninja skills. Wouldn't doubt for a second that the Garo had good use of both.

Originally Posted by Fågelholken

Hmm, could be. But then, whatever happened to the real moon? Couldn't it be that the moon was just controlled by Majora, and as a side effect, burnt up when Majora lost its power?

I doubt it. Nothing else effected by the mask was utterly destroyed upon the mask's influence being taken away. As for the real moon, I've always figured that it was just blocked from sight somehow by the mask, though that's admittedly shaky.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

Isn't natural? Well, should it be? Every Garo we've seen has that appearance, I'd say it's just the way they look.

However, all of those Garos were ghosts; ethereal shells of what they once were.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

And they are ninjas after all, disappearing is a normal act for them. We've seen that countless of times in Zelda (Ganon, Sheikah with deku nuts, wizrobe, etc), by magic and ninja skills. Wouldn't doubt for a second that the Garo had good use of both.

It wasn't a Sheik-like "teleportation" (Sheik throws a Deku Nut and runs) or a Zant-like teleportation. The Garo Master literally fades away like a spirit then quickly manifests above Link. The way he appears and disappears is similar to how Poes and the ghostly dancer Kamaro appear.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

I doubt it. Nothing else effected by the mask was utterly destroyed upon the mask's influence being taken away. As for the real moon, I've always figured that it was just blocked from sight somehow by the mask, though that's admittedly shaky.



However, all of those Garos were ghosts; ethereal shells of what they once were.



It wasn't a Sheik-like "teleportation" (Sheik throws a Deku Nut and runs) or a Zant-like teleportation. The Garo Master literally fades away like a spirit then quickly manifests above Link. The way he appears and disappears is similar to how Poes and the ghostly dancer Kamaro appear.

I guess we need more information to establish the moon issue, then...


Garo Master.
Yeah, but even so, we don't know what the Garo looked like, even when they were alive. Some ghosts and spirits do not change appearance, or they're only slightly altered. (Kamaro, Darmani, he's levitating though).

He makes some weird noise, then disappears and reappears. Now it's fair to say it's not quite like any other teleportation that we've seen, but that doesn't equal that it's proof that he's a spirit. It could simply be a technique or magic used by him specifically.
Ganon's teleportation in the other Zelda games were very similar to his'. Not the same, but similar, which makes me believe that it is plausible for the Garo master, a leader of a ninja tribe, to be able to teleport.

In short: Different forms of teleportation are available by many living creatures. I don't necessarily think this one is an exception.

(The Shiekah must be hella good runners, btw It is said that they use magic, Shiek does conjure up a wall of fire from nothing, or sand storms that block Links sight, and do the deku nut-run trick from areas where running out of sight in a second would be nearly impossible, but whatever. I'll let that one slide . After all, tossing a deku nut just to teleport would seem kind of strange)


It's totally possible that he could be a spirit as well, and we'll never know for sure, but I want to be convinced of one thing or the other...

He blows himself up. He isn't consumed by any fire, even as he is blown up, he just dies. That, for me, speaks for him being alive, he actually has to destroy his body physically, he can't just leave like all the others. His words are also different from the others. While the other Garo say "To die without a corpse, that is the way of us Garo", and then disappear in a green fire, the Garo Master says, "Die, I shall". The difference might seem small, but to me, it seems as if the Garo Master speaks about himself, while the others are just speaking of the code that they once followed. If you get my drift....

I don't know if him being the only Garo to actually have a voice (not only text) means anything.


One other thing. When you wear the Garo mask on Ikana, they reveal themselves from hiding and replies "Master, you called", right? Now I'm just playing with ideas here, but if they are wandering spirits lingering with regrets (just like the stal children/soldiers of Ikana, that can't rest until they fulfill their captains orders) then the last time they met their master must've been in life. So, by recognizing the mask, they should be recognizing their master, which means they recognize a Garos appearance in life....... Lol I think I lost myself there. Whatever, reply if you could make sense out of my ramblings.

Originally Posted by Fågelholken

Yeah, but even so, we don't know what the Garo looked like, even when they were alive. Some ghosts and spirits do not change appearance, or they're only slightly altered. (Kamaro, Darmani, he's levitating though).

The Garo have stick-thin legs and no arms. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say the Garo Robes don't look quite like they did in life.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

He makes some weird noise, then disappears and reappears. Now it's fair to say it's not quite like any other teleportation that we've seen, but that doesn't equal that it's proof that he's a spirit.

He was in a land of spirits and the Garo Robes as a whole have been confirmed as spirits. In my opinion, this, combined with the whole spirit-like fade in and fade out thing, is enough to show that the Garo Master is indeed a ghost.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

(The Shiekah must be hella good runners, btw

Deku Nuts stun people. Also, Sheik is, at the very least, good at jumping.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

Shiek does conjure up a wall of fire from nothing, or sand storms that block Links sight,

Sheik is Zelda though, so that can easily be Zelda's magic.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

and do the deku nut-run trick from areas where running out of sight in a second would be nearly impossible, but whatever.

If the Sheikah could actually teleport they probably wouldn't need to throw a Deku Nut down. The Pirate Warriors in Majora's Mask do a Deku Nut vanishing act as well, and I doubt that they can use magic.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

He blows himself up. He isn't consumed by any fire, even as he is blown up, he just dies. That, for me, speaks for him being alive, he actually has to destroy his body physically, he can't just leave like all the others. His words are also different from the others. While the other Garo say "To die without a corpse, that is the way of us Garo", and then disappear in a green fire, the Garo Master says, "Die, I shall". The difference might seem small, but to me, it seems as if the Garo Master speaks about himself, while the others are just speaking of the code that they once followed. If you get my drift....

Or he might be too wounded to continue fighting but not wounded enough to die via ethereal burning like the others. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

So, by recognizing the mask, they should be recognizing their master, which means they recognize a Garos appearance in life.

I doubt it. They just vaguely recall the mask. They're quick to pull their blades on Link upon revealing themselves as well.

Quick Question.. (it's been years since I've played) if you kill Shakton at the Midnight Robbery, can you still enter the thieves hideout (where you get the sun mask for Kefie)?

"Shakton" is way cooler than his real name.

Also, no.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

The Garo have stick-thin legs and no arms. I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say the Garo Robes don't look quite like they did in life.

Then again, do we know what they looked like when they were alive (unless the Garo Master is alive)? After all, it wouldn't be the first strange looking race in Zelda, not by a long shot.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

He was in a land of spirits and the Garo Robes as a whole have been confirmed as spirits. In my opinion, this, combined with the whole spirit-like fade in and fade out thing, is enough to show that the Garo Master is indeed a ghost.

I would appreciate if you gave me the exact quote saying they're all spirits, no exceptions, even for the Garo masters. Besides, even if all the normal Garo Robes are spirits, it doesn't mean the Master is, nor does it mean that whoever spoke the said quote, knew about him.
And a land of spirits, well, that's because there are lots of 'em. There are still living things left in Ikana and the Stone Tower.

And the fading... Well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. To me, it's no different than other kinds of teleportation that we've seen in the Zelda series, especially coming from a race who were ninjas and spies.


Deku nuts.
They do stun people, but only if the flash hits your eye. Link holds his arm over his eyes every time he tosses one, and every time that Shiek and Impa tosses one. He's never blinded for more than a second.


"Sheik is Zelda though, so that can easily be Zelda's magic."

Good point, though doesn't negate the fact that Shiekah's still use magic...


And the last point, I doubt you need to be wounded to a certain degree to be able to leave the world. It's their duty and regrets that are hindering them from leaving the world, not their physical form. Since they're already dead, they cannot die again, they can only leave. The Garo Master has to kill himself physically...

Originally Posted by Fågelholken

Then again, do we know what they looked like when they were alive (unless the Garo Master is alive)? After all, it wouldn't be the first strange looking race in Zelda, not by a long shot.

They were presumably humans, just like the Ikanians. We have no reason to believe that they really were armless people with stick-thin limbs.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

I would appreciate if you gave me the exact quote saying they're all spirits, no exceptions, even for the Garo masters.

I'll find it later since I have to do something. Let me just say this though:

The Garo Master is a Garo Robe.

Pamela's father tells us that Garo Robes are ghosts.

The Garo Master is a ghost.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

And a land of spirits, well, that's because there are lots of 'em. There are still living things left in Ikana and the Stone Tower.

Only animals, and those were probably put there by the Skull Kid recently.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

Deku nuts.
They do stun people, but only if the flash hits your eye.

You can throw one at an enemy who isn't even looking at you and they'll be stunned. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

Good point, though doesn't negate the fact that Shiekah's still use magic...

Yet the only Sheikan magic we've seen or heard of is the seal used on Bongo Bongo and (if you think the maker was a Sheikah) the Lens of Truth. Nothing like creating sandstorms or fires.

Originally Posted by Fagelholken

And the last point, I doubt you need to be wounded to a certain degree to be able to leave the world. It's their duty and regrets that are hindering them from leaving the world, not their physical form.

You can beat them up and cause them to collapse to the ground, so one can apparently force a ghost out of the world to some degree by assaulting them. You can mess up Poes like that as well.

No offense Fagelholken, but I'd like to end this discussion now so that the thread doesn't get derailed.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Only animals, and those were probably put there by the Skull Kid recently.

Are you saying the enemies in stone tower aren't alive and near it? Those annoying birds, bombchus and dragonflies seemed pretty alive to me.

Damn, I just read your last comment now. Sure, I'm in on agreeing to disagree. I'm not trying to get the last word with this post, it's just that I quoted and wrote first, and read it last. So it feels stupid to delete everything I wrote. Well here it is anyway....

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

They were presumably humans, just like the Ikanians. We have no reason to believe that they really were armless people with stick-thin limbs.

We don't even know if the Ikanians were human. I'd say establishing whether or not the Garo Master is alive is the evidence of their true form. We don't know where the Garo came from, and we haven't seen any that's been 100% established to be alive.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

I'll find it later since I have to do something. Let me just say this though:

The Garo Master is a Garo Robe.

Pamela's father tells us that Garo Robes are ghosts.

The Garo Master is a ghost.

Pamelas father isn't infallible. He also said Garo had been spotted near the ranch, but those aren't Garo, but the Gorman brothers. Just because he says the Garo are now ghosts doesn't mean every single one is. He's never been to the Stone Tower has he?

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Only animals, and those were probably put there by the Skull Kid recently.

In Ikana there are several humans and in the stone tower several animals, some wizrobes, and supposedly the Garo Master. We don't know how they got there.

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

You can throw one at an enemy who isn't even looking at you and they'll be stunned. Just saying.

Gameplay mechanic. Besides, even when you toss one in gameplay you can see Link covering his eyes as he tosses it. There's a reason he isn't stunned. An in game explanation would probably be that the flash is so strong that it stuns people even with their backs turned...

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

Yet the only Sheikan magic we've seen or heard of is the seal used on Bongo Bongo and (if you think the maker was a Sheikah) the Lens of Truth. Nothing like creating sandstorms or fires.

Do you believe Shiek would use a magic that only Zelda was capable of, when Ganon is watching every step of the way? That'd be foolish, since it's only for keeping Link at bay so she can run.

Even IF it were Zelda's powers alone, it doesn't change the fact that Shiekah's has magic abilities. What kind we don't know, but then again, how many actual fighting Shiekahs have we seen? Only one I can think of is Shiek...

Originally Posted by Average Gamer

You can beat them up and cause them to collapse to the ground, so one can apparently force a ghost out of the world to some degree by assaulting them. You can mess up Poes like that as well.

No offense Fagelholken, but I'd like to end this discussion now so that the thread doesn't get derailed.

But the poes are spirits of concentrated hatred, not ghosts that linger with regret. The Garo, just like the Ikanians, don't know the war has ended yet...

And another thing that leads me to believe the Garo Master is alive, is the fact that when you kill him, he shows up at the cave with all those spirits that want to face you again in battle. They cannot rest without facing you again. Wouldn't it be rather stupid to be a spirit and defeated, just to return as a spirit AGAIN?

Sorry, just read your last comment about ending it. I'm with you, we'll just agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Stick Link

Are you saying the enemies in stone tower aren't alive and near it? Those annoying birds, bombchus and dragonflies seemed pretty alive to me.

No, I'm saying that the animals in Stone Tower were probably put there by the Skull Kid/Majora's Mask to further prevent the Giant from awakening. The Guays and Real Bombchu are admittedly not in Stone Tower, but there aren't that many of them. Ikana is basically a dead, ruined land, and the few humans in the area aren't natives. Pamela and her dad moved there for research, Sakon just built his hideout/treasure stash there, and Dampe might have gone there just to rob the tomb of the Royal Family.

For the topic:

-The creators of the Clock Town games may have intended for them to be rigged, judging from their reactions to Link winning. Honey and Darling are exasperated when Link wins for three days in a row, even questioning if they're truly happy. The Business Scrubs running the Deku Scrub Playground also tell Link that he can't play anymore because he's a pro and will later scream in horror and hide when Link appears.

Visit the ranch on day 2 withou saving the cows. There will be no cows in the barn or the field. Cremia will be incredibly depressed moping around at the table and romani will be sleeping in bed.