The Message of Majora's Mask

First of all, Hylian Dan, I have to congratulate you on an amazing article.
Your theories seem very plausible. Admittedly, I have not read up on many other theories related to the series, so I'm not too sure what else has been suggested/proven (if proving it is even possible), but the ideas in your article make a lot of sense to me. Things like this further the fact that Majora's Mask is my favorite game of all time; the surrounding story is much deeper than it appears. Makes games like Twilight Princess look even more shallow.

It sure is interesting to notice some of these details in the game, like how it must have been a kick in the face to the Terminians when Stone Tower was flipped so that the Triforce on the gargoyles comes out on top rather than bottom. I also think your ideas on the underlying theme of the game and such are excellent. The quotes and pictures you selected really do seem to hint in your favor.

To everyone else: Of course it's just a theory. Proving all of this would be impossible unless someone of the original team were to comment on it.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

Sorry if the page won't load on ZI, but we got this article to Digg's front page and all the traffic is straining the site .

Congrats on that as well!

Originally Posted by MDS13

But all YOUR ideas are just ideas with no evidence, at least Dan has something. I'm not sayin' your ideas are fake, just find some evidence to make it more believable Besides, these threads were made to find the best possible answer, and correct the problems in the theory.

Oh don't worry. My point is my ideas can't be proven, but they can be envisioned just as easily as Hylian Dans and seem just as possible so he still has a ways to go to perfect his theory, as you said.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

The thing I like about this theory is that it's well done. Most theories I see are "Well this looks like this other thing" and after one or two sentences it's over. This had research and time put into it. And he does verify/give evidence of MOST of his theories in the article. And besides that, I've heard a lot worse theories on stone tower. You make a good point, however, about them saying they are the "children" of the goddesses, and the triforce loins representing that. I remember reading a while back that some of the first cradle of life civilizations would point to their privates when saying something about their child or children. So that too is a possibility. (And I could picture Din liking it rough lol.) Back on topic, rather or not the gamers meant it or not, if stone tower was real, then the builders would have to have something on their mind when they built such a big, time consuming structure, and so far this is the best theory I've heard on what exactly that is. Also, where did you read that Termina was a by product? If you have the article I would like to read it over myself

Alrighty, I guess I've made my point then. I think I read the idea that Termina was formed by the Goddesses in Zeldapedia or something, and many articles in that site are disputed for contradicting some in game stuff, though I believe it's straight from Nintendo. Don't hold me on that though, I haven't been on the site for ages, but if it is from the big men themselves there's no reason to not believe it, is there?
And it's 'he' by the way. ;D

Nice talking to you fellows, I'll check back on this tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

Oh don't worry. My point is my ideas can't be proven, but they can be envisioned just as easily as Hylian Dans and seem just as possible so he still has a ways to go to perfect his theory, as you said.



Alrighty, I guess I've made my point then. I think I read the idea that Termina was formed by the Goddesses in Zeldapedia or something, and many articles in that site are disputed for contradicting some in game stuff, though I believe it's straight from Nintendo. Don't hold me on that though, I haven't been on the site for ages, but if it is from the big men themselves there's no reason to not believe it, is there?
And it's 'he' by the way. ;D

Nice talking to you fellows, I'll check back on this tomorrow.

Yes, you made some good points. But my idea is that there is no way that when they designed stone tower (the game designers, not the architects) that they put stuff in it just because it "looked cool" The hand for instance, the one that is pointing to the sky, to my memory, that hand serves no real purpose. But it's there. It has to be something, rather or not it's as Hylian dan theorized, it has a purpose. I can't see the game designers just putting the hand in there for no reason what so ever. Oh, and thanks for the article, I'll have to dig it up when I have some time.

The article is absolutely incredible. It makes an astonishing amount of connections, things that can only be seen with a trained eye. I must say this was an excellent read.

I've discussed this before in the Stone Tower thread, and I've left a comment on the main page. Overall, while that is a good read, I think you're looking too deeply into things and not really able to back them up.

Wow, I must say that when I first read the thread you created on this (someone referenced it in a thread a week or so ago), I felt that most of what you had was fan fiction and speculation backed with little evidence. Partly because I was too lazy to look at ALL of the pictures provided (though I did look at quite a few), and partly because a lot of this information was spread all over the thread, which I didn't read all the way, so to me it was both incomplete, and disjointed. But seeing it gathered here all in one place with the pictures and everything to back it up and all the in-game quotes.... Wow. I really have to give it to you. This is incredible. You've made a believer out of me. That's for sure.

I don't know if it's truly the developer's intentions, but it sure sounds well thought out. I'd like to see all the games scrutinize with that much detail.

nice! i don't think ive read so much at once in my whole life.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

The hand for instance, the one that is pointing to the sky, to my memory, that hand serves no real purpose. But it's there. It has to be something, rather or not it's as Hylian dan theorized, it has a purpose. I can't see the game designers just putting the hand in there for no reason what so ever.

Not necessarily. Design is always important to a game and area or character designs are often made to be impressive or induce a feel related to whatever subject to enhance a mood or something else.
Like the Fierce Dieties sword. They could have included a normal sword of the same size, but they chose a helix. Why? Is there a message or function behind that as well, or was it simply to be memorable?

A good point. But the helix sword serves a purpose (kicking ass). Mean while the hand serves no purpose TO MY MEMORY. I don't think it does, but I may be wrong.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

My question is, if termina is another alternate world seperate from hyrule, then how are the goddesses involved?

ZeldaInformer // www.zeldainformer.com //

That is a Bombers article [written by yours truly ] which addresses exactly that point.
It was inspired by Hylian Dan's old thread here at ZU, and attempts to answer some of the things left unanswered in the Stone Tower/Message of MM theory.

Thanks for that Erimgard. I've actually been planning to read Hylian dans other thread, but haven't found time yet. The same will probly go for yours too unfortunately Work sucks...

about the Stone tower of Babel theory, how come an artical on about it has yet to be made on the Zelda Wiki?

A good question, I would highly support such an article. And would definately like a mention of Hylian dan on such an article.

I enjoyed reading that. That story makes me want to play MM again. I think MM is worth all other Zelda games.

It really shows how shallow TP is.

I know, Tp focused way too much on newer players enjoyement than I think it should have.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

A good point. But the helix sword serves a purpose (kicking ass). Mean while the hand serves no purpose TO MY MEMORY. I don't think it does, but I may be wrong.

It does have a purpose- Aesthetics. That's it as far as we know, anything else is pure speculation.

Sometimes I wish I could see why this thing is so enrapturing.
Oh well.

Yes it is speculation, but so is pretty much every zelda theory or any scientific theory at first. Speculation eventual gives way to either fact or fiction, the problem is finding out which one it will be as soon as possible.

I read the article a little while ago, and I must say it's very well done.

Hylian Dan, I truly was impressed

It's a great theory. To say the Triforce doesn't appear ANYWHERE in the game but on the crotches of gargoyles definately says something.

I certainly agree with many aspects of it. Symbolism is generally accepted and relevant in novels and plays, so why not video games? If the guy who wrote Dracula made a video game, it wouldn't be far of Majora's Mask.