The Message of Majora's Mask

[Hylian Dan]

A few years ago, while I was replaying The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask, I reached the top of Stone Tower and took another look at the strange scenery there before moving on. The gigantic pointing hand again caught my attention. It seemed so strange, so ominous, like there was some cryptic meaning behind it that I just couldn’t place. But this time, something clicked in my mind.

I understood the significance of that pointing hand, the meaning that had always eluded me before. Now I wanted to know why it was there.
What secrets has the game been hiding all this time?

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Discuss the article here. Discussion from the thread Stone Tower of Babel: Why Termina was Doomed can be continued here as well.

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[Erimgard]

It's a great read! :]
I've already dugg it. Excellent work Hylian Dan.

[Nick722]

Hylian Dan, you really did a great job with this. I'm proud to have it as a part of ZI.

For full effect, throw this on while reading.

[TheManInTheMoon]

After helping the troubled people of Termina and gaining all the masks, you receive the Fierce Deity Mask, a representation of the faith you instilled in everyone. With this power you can completely obliterate Majora, the representation of doubt.

That's just about the most logical Fierce Deity origin I've heard yet.

[MDS13]

You never cease to amaze me, this theory is the reason I joined ZU, and it just keeps getting better!

For a creepy feeling, listen to this when reading, the Fire Temple music that was cut from OoT because of the "offensive" Muslim chanting. It's more creepy than offensive to me...

YouTube - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Fire Temple

Keep up the amazing work Hylian Dan!

[Zien]

Interesting indeed. I am looking foward to reading it all .....or skimming it.

[sage_of_fire]

A nice read. I'm only about half way through right now (Have to go to work, so couldn't finish it) I only have one question. And I apologize if the answer is later in the article, or if it's supposed to be common sense. My question is, if termina is another alternate world seperate from hyrule, then how are the goddesses involved? To my knowledge, only the giants are mentioned by the NPC's in MM. Now, the addition of the triforce means that they have to be involved somehow, but my question is how exactly. Once I know the answer, then the article will be even greater!

[Magic-Tech]

'Fraid I still don't buy it. The tower to the Heavens part anyway, I do agree on the overall theme of the game though.
I don't want to get into it, because the theory is based on so much interpretation without conclusive proof that any rebuttal won't be conclusive either. But I will say that Twinmold's realm is more likely to be a pocket dimension created solely for housing Twinmold rather than hell or where Majora's Mask was found. You've just ran with the possiblity because it can't necessarily be disproven.
Same goes for the gargoyles with the Triforce. It could have been intended as a sign of respect for all we know, it all depends on how we interpret it.
As for the towers, well it could easily hace been for the hell of it. Or they just never saw what it could be interpreted as, it's all completely possible so that alone means that this theory is the only conclusion.
The whole thing may be possible, sure. But it doesn't seem likely or intended to me, considering how vague the clues that lead you to this conclusion are.

[sage_of_fire]

^So when you respect something, you put it on your crotch and lick it? (reffering to the gargoyles/blocks)

[MDS13]

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

^So when you respect something, you put it on your crotch and lick it? (reffering to the gargoyles/blocks)

XD, yeah, how respectful!

Awesome sig sage_of_fire

[Magic-Tech]

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

^So when you respect something, you put it on your crotch and lick it? (reffering to the gargoyles/blocks)

Sure. It could mean that Termina could not exist without the Goddesses with the Triforce representing nourishment.
Maybe it represents knowledge, with it being the tongue or words coming from it's mouth, rather than it being eaten.
Maybe it acknowledges the Goddesses as the creators of Termina, with the Triforce as the loins of the 'Giants'. If you really believe thay are the Giants. I don't see any similarities between them and the Giants.
Or maybe it represents decency? With the statues clothing themselves with the Triforce.

You see, plenty of possiblities. Each as likely as the one presented in this theory.

[MDS13]

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

Sure. It could mean that Termina could not exist without the Goddesses with the Triforce representing nourishment.
Maybe it represents knowledge, with it being the tongue or words coming from it's mouth, rather than it being eaten.
Maybe it acknowledges the Goddesses as the creators of Termina, with the Triforce as the loins of the 'Giants'. If you really believe thay are the Giants. I don't see any similarities between them and the Giants.
Or maybe it represents decency? With the statues clothing themselves with the Triforce.

You see, plenty of possiblities. Each as likely as the one presented in this theory.

Yeah, licking your crotch for knowledge......

[Magic-Tech]

Originally Posted by MDS13

Yeah, licking your crotch for knowledge......

Young man, if you want to refute me I suggest you find a thread of logic to your argument rather than twist what I say. I certainly never said that the Triforce was the crotch of the statue in that interpretation. Regardless if you want to prove this theory is the truth you have to present decisive undeniable evidence showing that's it's the only possibility or far more likely than any other.

[MDS13]

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

Young man, if you want to refute me I suggest you find a thread of logic to your argument rather than twist what I say. I certainly never said that the Triforce was the crotch of the statue in that interpretation. Regardless if you want to prove this theory is the truth you have to present decisive undeniable evidence showing that's it's the only possibility or far more likely than any other.

Where is the tongue on the statue? I'm not sayin' his theory is true, but he sure spent way more time and effort, and got more evidence than you do. He spent 2 years on this and whether or not you believe this theory, you sure have to respect it. Besides, even if you don't believe it, it is an interesting thought that is thrown around out here. I believe Hylian Dan gave enough evidence on ZI, that it blows your idea out of the water. Now then, lets get back on topic.

[sage_of_fire]

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

Sure. It could mean that Termina could not exist without the Goddesses with the Triforce representing nourishment.
Maybe it represents knowledge, with it being the tongue or words coming from it's mouth, rather than it being eaten.
Maybe it acknowledges the Goddesses as the creators of Termina, with the Triforce as the loins of the 'Giants'. If you really believe thay are the Giants. I don't see any similarities between them and the Giants.
Or maybe it represents decency? With the statues clothing themselves with the Triforce.

You see, plenty of possiblities. Each as likely as the one presented in this theory.

Well, I could see it representing nourishment, though that doesn't really go along with the triforce history or any other aspect of the artifact that I'm aware of. I could see it representing knowledge, but not in the form of words, a physical picture like it being on the tounge makes sense if it is supposed to represent words, and the use of pictures as words is certainly not uncommon. But I really just don't see it as such. And it representing the giants loins could make sense, I'm assuming you mean in a "giants (male) + Goddesses (female) = creation, but then you would need to bump the giants up a level to gods, instead of gaurdians. And I agree with Hylian dan saying that the gargoyles COULD represent the giants, though I'm certainly not certain that it's true.

Oh, and thanks MDS13, I'm quite fond of my sig. lol. (I'm guessing you mean the waffles)

[Magic-Tech]

Originally Posted by MDS13

Where is the tongue on the statue? I'm not sayin' his theory is true, but he sure spent way more time and effort, and got more evidence than you do. He spent 2 years on this and whether or not you believe this theory, you sure have to respect it. Besides, even if you don't believe it, it is an interesting thought that is thrown around out here. I believe Hylian Dan gave enough evidence on ZI, that it blows your idea out of the water. Now then, lets get back on topic.

I won't deny he's worked long and hard, and I respect him for it. But that doesn't mean the theory should just be accepted without accessment and just because it's interesting it's more likely to have been intended more than anything else.
Also: Evidence? I see no evidence that Majora came from the desert battle ground. Just that it had some sort of link to it.
I see no evidence that Hyrule/The Sacred Realm was going to be invaded.
I see no evidence that the Giant's Mask was to be used as a weapon of conquest.
I see no evidence that the Light Arrows were sent to ruin the builders plans.
I see no evidence that the Light Arrows were provided by the Goddesses themselves.
I see no evidence that sacrifices took place at the Stone Tower.
I see no evidence that the Tower builders themselves were guilty of anything.
And you expect me to accept a theory which has made so many claims and just has so many left to verify? Do you take me for an idiot?

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

Well, I could see it representing nourishment, though that doesn't really go along with the triforce history or any other aspect of the artifact that I'm aware of. I could see it representing knowledge, but not in the form of words, a physical picture like it being on the tounge makes sense if it is supposed to represent words, and the use of pictures as words is certainly not uncommon. But I really just don't see it as such. And it representing the giants loins could make sense, I'm assuming you mean in a "giants (male) + Goddesses (female) = creation, but then you would need to bump the giants up a level to gods, instead of gaurdians. And I agree with Hylian dan saying that the gargoyles COULD represent the giants, though I'm certainly not certain that it's true.

I read somewhere that Termina was a by-product of the Goddesses creating Hyrule which may certainly be possible, but I'm not sure of it's worth in canon so I'll drop the issue if it isn't commonly accepted, regardless in my nourishment issue I meant that the Goddesses could have given life to Termina so the Terminians recognise they wouldn't be there without the Big 3.
On the loins issue the statues could be carrying the message that they are the 'children' of the Big 3 and have the triforces instead of thier private parts to represent this.
What matters is that you can accept that these could have been made just as easily right? And it's not as though the rape theory hasn't got any problems with it. I've certainly never heard of rape by tongue before, or rape by apparantly sitting on something. Or maybe the builders thought the Goddesses like it a bit rough and they and the Giants have a special friendship? So 'Unity' is now another possibility.

[MDS13]

Originally Posted by Magic-Tech

I won't deny he's worked long and hard, and I respect him for it. But that doesn't mean the theory should just be accepted without accessment and just because it's interesting it's more likely to have been intended more than anything else.
Also: Evidence? I see no evidence that Majora came from the desert battle ground. Just that it had some sort of link to it.
I see no evidence that Hyrule/The Sacred Realm was going to be invaded.
I see no evidence that the Giant's Mask was to be used as a weapon of conquest.
I see no evidence that the Light Arrows were sent to ruin the builders plans.
I see no evidence that the Light Arrows were provided by the Goddesses themselves.
I see no evidence that sacrifices took place at the Stone Tower.
I see no evidence that the Tower builders themselves were guilty of anything.
And you expect me to accept a theory which has made so many claims and just has so many left to verify? Do you take me for an idiot?



I read somewhere that Termina was a by-product of the Goddesses creating Hyrule which may certainly be possible, but I'm not sure of it's worth in canon so I'll drop the issue if it isn't commonly accepted, regardless in my nourishment issue I meant that the Goddesses could have given life to Termina so the Terminians recognise they wouldn't be there without the Big 3.
On the loins issue the statues could be carrying the message that they are the 'children' of the Big 3 and have the triforces instead of thier private parts to represent this.
What matters is that you can accept that these could have been made just as easily right? And it's not as though the rape theory hasn't got any problems with it. I've certainly never heard of rape by tongue before, or rape by apparantly sitting on something. Or maybe the builders thought the Goddesses like it a bit rough and they and the Giants have a special friendship? So 'Unity' is now another possibility.

But all YOUR ideas are just ideas with no evidence, at least Dan has something. I'm not sayin' your ideas are fake, just find some evidence to make it more believable Besides, these threads were made to find the best possible answer, and correct the problems in the theory.

[sage_of_fire]

The thing I like about this theory is that it's well done. Most theories I see are "Well this looks like this other thing" and after one or two sentences it's over. This had research and time put into it. And he does verify/give evidence of MOST of his theories in the article. And besides that, I've heard a lot worse theories on stone tower. You make a good point, however, about them saying they are the "children" of the goddesses, and the triforce loins representing that. I remember reading a while back that some of the first cradle of life civilizations would point to their privates when saying something about their child or children. So that too is a possibility. (And I could picture Din liking it rough lol.) Back on topic, rather or not the gamers meant it or not, if stone tower was real, then the builders would have to have something on their mind when they built such a big a time consuming structure, and so far this is the best theory I've heard on what exactly that is. Also, where did you read that Termina was a by product? If you have the article I would like to read it over myself

Originally Posted by MDS13

But all YOUR ideas are just ideas with no evidence, at least Dan has something. I'm not sayin' your ideas are fake, just find some evidence to make it more believable

I wouldn't say he/she has no evidence, just not as much. Plus all of his/hers evidence is in game stuff. So as random theories as they are, evidence is there, just not "for certain" evidence.

(Sorry about the he/she stuff)

[sage_of_fire]

Originally Posted by MDS13

Then we should all just try to perfect this theory together.

Well, that would be good. But we don't know if he's even remotely right or not. And until it becomes cannon, we won't. It's a great THEORY, and it is probly right (In my opinion) but it's just impossible for us to know for sure.

[TheManInTheMoon]

Sorry if the page won't load on ZI, but we got this article to Digg's front page and all the traffic is straining the site .

[Tonchiki]

First of all, Hylian Dan, I have to congratulate you on an amazing article.
Your theories seem very plausible. Admittedly, I have not read up on many other theories related to the series, so I'm not too sure what else has been suggested/proven (if proving it is even possible), but the ideas in your article make a lot of sense to me. Things like this further the fact that Majora's Mask is my favorite game of all time; the surrounding story is much deeper than it appears. Makes games like Twilight Princess look even more shallow.

It sure is interesting to notice some of these details in the game, like how it must have been a kick in the face to the Terminians when Stone Tower was flipped so that the Triforce on the gargoyles comes out on top rather than bottom. I also think your ideas on the underlying theme of the game and such are excellent. The quotes and pictures you selected really do seem to hint in your favor.

To everyone else: Of course it's just a theory. Proving all of this would be impossible unless someone of the original team were to comment on it.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by MercuryMule

Sorry if the page won't load on ZI, but we got this article to Digg's front page and all the traffic is straining the site .

Congrats on that as well!

[Magic-Tech]

Originally Posted by MDS13

But all YOUR ideas are just ideas with no evidence, at least Dan has something. I'm not sayin' your ideas are fake, just find some evidence to make it more believable Besides, these threads were made to find the best possible answer, and correct the problems in the theory.

Oh don't worry. My point is my ideas can't be proven, but they can be envisioned just as easily as Hylian Dans and seem just as possible so he still has a ways to go to perfect his theory, as you said.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

The thing I like about this theory is that it's well done. Most theories I see are "Well this looks like this other thing" and after one or two sentences it's over. This had research and time put into it. And he does verify/give evidence of MOST of his theories in the article. And besides that, I've heard a lot worse theories on stone tower. You make a good point, however, about them saying they are the "children" of the goddesses, and the triforce loins representing that. I remember reading a while back that some of the first cradle of life civilizations would point to their privates when saying something about their child or children. So that too is a possibility. (And I could picture Din liking it rough lol.) Back on topic, rather or not the gamers meant it or not, if stone tower was real, then the builders would have to have something on their mind when they built such a big, time consuming structure, and so far this is the best theory I've heard on what exactly that is. Also, where did you read that Termina was a by product? If you have the article I would like to read it over myself

Alrighty, I guess I've made my point then. I think I read the idea that Termina was formed by the Goddesses in Zeldapedia or something, and many articles in that site are disputed for contradicting some in game stuff, though I believe it's straight from Nintendo. Don't hold me on that though, I haven't been on the site for ages, but if it is from the big men themselves there's no reason to not believe it, is there?
And it's 'he' by the way. ;D

Nice talking to you fellows, I'll check back on this tomorrow.