the graphics where POOR

on N64 the rest of the game like the fighting and all those special effects in the game but the one thing ruined it the graphics where WAK.trust me though youre talking about getting caught in the graphics and you could see in the heads and they had no brains like tomb raider

What are you talking about? OoT? MM? Graphics where WAK?.trust? You mean the graphics weren't good? In what game? And, if it's on the N64, the only two Zelda games had amazing graphics for the time.

www.freetranslation.com anyone?

The graphics and everything was great for it's time, go compare it to Super Mario, Pokemon Stadium or Conquer's Bad Fur Day and tell me how good it's graphics are for the console.

Dude are you serious? In it's time those games graphics were amazing. Some of the best I've seen in that time. You can't compare N64 graphics with GCN's and you especailly can't compare it to the Wii, 360, and PS3.

The N64 Zelda graphics were the some of the best for it's time. You have to remember, the games were released long before consoles like the 360, Wii, and PS3 were released.

OK first, did anyone understand that?
Second, I'll have you know those games were released YEARS ago and your in the wrong forum if you are talking about TP/WW
Third, graphics don't matter. And the fact that there were not only the conter of your argument but that they seem to the by the way you judge games makes you a complete twat in my eyes.

Yea graphics dont matter... however they do make a really nice bonus.

To me, if the game play is nice and smooth the puzzles are decent and overall fun. I could care less if it had crappy graphics.

I'll keep this open, as I can see some discussion coming out of it, but quite the rent-a-modding please.
Those posts in question were deleted.

As for the graphics, I think you need to place the game in the context of the time period.
For its era, the Nintendo 64 actually had great graphics, and Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask (the games I assume you are talking about) were two of the most detailed of the games released, I even think Majora's Mask needed you to use the Memory-Expansion for card for the Console, to make use of smoother textures, and things like that.

By today's standards, the games on the N64 look outdaed - and so they would, seeing as its era ended best part of ten years ago.

Sometimes, when you're immersed in high-performance consoles like the PS3, Xbox 360, and what have you, you forget that the limitations of past consoles were considerably lower. : P

SuperDecimal: That being said you should not go mouthing off before saying that a games graphics were... ****. If you weren't there to see its release then your entire opinion will be coloured by what others have said aswell as what you have seen so far. Take Metroid, I was playing it the other day on the NES when a housemates friend called over. He instantly said, in his own words including the 'OMG' so on so forth in seperate letters.

'OMG whats dat, like. LOL that must have come out for... like the Atari about 50 years ago LOL, I mean WTF are you doin' playin' dat ****, like. It has **** graphics AND NO COLOUR... nuff said 'bout it. Crap game'

I will not post my response for the sake of the children but lets just say he is not coming back to the house anytime soon. He was one of those WoW addicts who actually says the letters in case you want to know.

Originally Posted by Pàxèn

SuperDecimal: That being said you should not go mouthing off before saying that a games graphics were... ****. If you weren't there to see its release then your entire opinion will be coloured by what others have said aswell as what you have seen so far. Take Metroid, I was playing it the other day on the NES when a housemates friend called over. He instantly said, in his own words including the 'OMG' so on so forth in seperate letters.

'OMG whats dat, like. LOL that must have come out for... like the Atari about 50 years ago LOL, I mean WTF are you doin' playin' dat ****, like. It has **** graphics AND NO COLOUR... nuff said 'bout it. Crap game'

I will not post my response for the sake of the children but lets just say he is not coming back to the house anytime soon. He was one of those WoW addicts who actually says the letters in case you want to know.

I sincerely hope that wasn't directed as an attack at me.

And even though I basically said the same thing as you (albeit tamer) I disagree with the notion that "you must have been there" to fully appreciate the aspects of the console and game.

You and I are more-or-less the same age, so we were there to witness the release of the N64 and the subsequent games that came with, so we will always look back with a nostalgic eye, though that by no means that we are the only people that may appreciate them.

I know countless people that were not around for the N64 era, and were introduced in the middle of the Gamecube era, but despite that, they are able to look back at the back-catalogue of Nintendo games, play them, and appreciate them as games for what they are.

Ahh yes nostalgia, really does make everything look better. Sadly unlike you I did not have the same experience, many of the people I know who started gaming mid-5th gen/start of 6th gen have a rather stupid expectation of graphics/gaming. In most of their eyes good graphics equals a good game, I don't blame them for it but it doesn't change my opinion.

I blame gaming companies more than others, about 1998 they seemed to start a battle to see who could get the best graphics and were more than happy to continue it right to the present day. In the midst of this eternal... stupidity, story and gameplay suffered greatly. I am not saying that it is not good these days but it could have been so much better, gameplay has recovered but story is still an almost forgotten art. Looking back I can see many games which could have had storylines to dwarf even the most creative masterpiece of novelism, but because of the attitude of the consumer did not.

And I am not just talking about consoles here, PC games took the same trend come '98. But at least with PC games they not seem to have leveled out, consoles are still pumping out high graphics, medium gameplay 10hour long crapola with a story line so bad its only dwarfed by the indiocy of the creators.

Yes I am bitter, very bitter. And I have reason to be.

Originally Posted by Tides

www.freetranslation.com anyone?

The graphics and everything was great for it's time, go compare it to Super Mario, Pokemon Stadium or Conquer's Bad Fur Day and tell me how good it's graphics are for the console.

I cant stand that crap. My co-worker has been telling me to "bust this **** out" for the past three weeks and I have no idea what he means. Speekey de engish peepel!!

The great thing about OOT's graphics is the fact that they even are 3D. All I knew at that time were the flat worlds of ALTTP and LA. I was truly amazed by the N64 graphics.

According to my brother there's even a downside of 'too good' graphics: these graphics allow the player to fight very agilely. Although that's cool to watch and all, it does make defeating enemies very easy.

Originally Posted by Tides

www.freetranslation.com anyone?

The graphics and everything was great for it's time, go compare it to Super Mario, Pokemon Stadium or Conquer's Bad Fur Day and tell me how good it's graphics are for the console.

What in the world are you talking about? I don't really see how those games had better graphics.

I still think OOT has good graphics. Though it's a little wierd after playing TP, it's definately not bad, especially for back then.

The only poor thing around here I can see is your spelling and grammar, archery master. No one understood a thing which you said, but I'll take it that you're saying the old Zelda graphics were poor, right?

First of all, what the heck does WAK stand for? I've never heard that abbreviation before.

The graphics of OoT and MM were absolutely incredible for the time they were released, some of the best out there, and no one, not even you can say they are poor. (Yes, that's right, I'm using a present tense, because OoT and MM aren't going anywhere.)

Sure you can see in their heads like in Tomb Raider, but hey, I'm thinking about building a time machine, go back to 1996 and try creating a game like OoT. For 1996 those sorts of graphics were absolutely amazing. Everyone would've been stunned, and thought they couldn't get any better. Plus how often did you have to look inside Link's head?

It is obvious that you're no OldSkool Gamer. I could go on forever defending the OoT and MM graphics and continue telling you how much of a moron you are for saying OoT and MM graphics were poor, because, yes, they are, but it's the gameplay that counts. Gamers who play games for the graphics are in my eyes, noobs, simply because games are supposed to be played for gameplay, and the graphics is what you get with it. No game can be judged by it's graphics in terms of how good it is, because....well, let me put it in a way you might understand.
If you look at a dirty bottle of milk and it seems like it's ugly and dirty does that mean the milk isn't good? No.

I rest, my case.

Originally Posted by urban dictionary

2. wack
1. To be of low or dubious quality. Origin: comes from 'whacky', which evolved to 'whacked' or 'whacked out'. Eventually shortened to 'wack'. The 'h' is usually dropped to differentiate the meaning from 'whack', which is to hit something hard or, kill (old wise guy terminology).

That's what he means by 'WAK'.
The depressing thing is that I actually knew what that meant.

And, I wouldn't listen to anything his guy says. Look through the list of posts he's made to see what I mean.

Originally Posted by archery_master

on N64 the rest of the game like the fighting and all those special effects in the game but the one thing ruined it the graphics where WAK.trust me though youre talking about getting caught in the graphics and you could see in the heads and they had no brains like tomb raider

I thought the graphics were good for the Zelda games. What more do you expect? It's N64. It's not like an old system is going to have Wii graphics!

The graphics are really impressive when you think about the fact that Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are free-roaming games and that the areas are huge compared to other games that were released at the same time.

Most games on the Playstation had areas that looked a lot like small levels from an old NES game, only in 3D or semi-3D. Not to mention that a lot of titles had pixelated textures for some reason o_O.

It sounds like this guy just sat down and played OoT and MM for the first time or something.. >_>

hehe, I just don't get why the characters should have brains *laughs*. It just slows the game down since it's a completely useless thing to include because the body organs aren't vital to the gameplay unless you're playing a hospital game or something ... But now that we're discussing seeing inside of heads; the Zelda team did a great job in minimizing that sort of thing, seeing through walls and whatnot, while PSX games and even other N64 titles seemed to generally have really bad collision detection.