Stone Tower of Babel: Why Termina was Doomed

When Majora was sealed was first. I belive that the Tower led them to the Hell that the Mask had been cast into, and that's where they got it. The HMS found it on a trip to Termina, and when he brought it back to Hyrule, got mugged by the Skull Kid.

If the Gossip Stone says that the FDM has the merits of all the masks, perhaps my idea of the Goddesses giving a reward isn't too far off base. It's essensially the power of all the "happy" masks in one vessel. The moon may relate it, even tie it, to Majora. Perhaps the mask was evil, heck, mabye Majora thought to make Link evil with it, the final defeat for the diminuative hero. But by giving away all the other maks, and even spreading enough happiness to earn those masks, was worth a little preasent. The Goddesses, from their perch in the heavens, saw that Termina was not as hopelessly corrupt as they had once thought. So they infused the Mask with Triforce magic. The combination of the Fierce Diety's dark power, and the Goddesses Triforce Magic, ultimately made the mask far too powerful for Majora to contend with.

(I kinda think the Couple's mask was worth the FDM all by it'self. That was a lot of happy for one sidequest.)

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

I agree. The desert universe seems to be the same sort of universe as the field of the tribe, although the the field is peaceful while the desert is chaotic.
I'm still not sure what the exact motive was for the people to build the Tower. Certainly, part of it was hatred of the goddesses. As I pointed out before, in the first room of the Stone Tower Temple, a portal is visible in the sky. I used to wonder if it was some sort of glitch, but after going through all these small pieces of evidence I think it is there intentionally. So maybe the builders were trying to reach it, for whatever reason. Your theory that they wanted to follow the Giants is really interesting. However, if they believed the Giants had gone to a realm in the sky, I doubt they would have built the phallices and the hand pointing upwards. Those structures must indicate that they believed the goddesses, not the Giants, were above.
Right. The Light Arrows were the instruments that were used to flip the universe, and those arrows are supposed to be sacred. The goddesses tricked the people by giving them those holy arrows, which are meant to smite the wicked. And by using the divine arrows, the wicked people brought about their own destruction, almost.

The other instrument that was used to flip the universe was the spider emblem outside the temple.
He described the emblem as blood-stained, not blood-red. Whose blood is that, and who is responsible for that bloodshed?

This brings up another topic I wanted to discuss: the Garo Master was waiting in the room that led to Twinmold's lair, and he told Link the secret of the Stone Tower. He must have known about the desert as well. And he wasn't just a random enemy - he was the leader of a tribe of people, the Garos. He wore a mask that was similar in shape to the Giant's Mask. What is the connection between the Garos, the Stone Tower, the Giant's Mask, and the desert realm, the only place where the mask's power can be unleased?

Hmm, as I'm typing this, I'm starting to develop a new theory.


Sharp and Flat clearly composed the Elegy of Emptiness. Was that song used to create the shells of the Garos? Are the spirits of the Garos somehow contained within the Garo's Mask, via the Song of Healing, perhaps?

Another thing: inside the Clock Tower, on the wall behind the Salesman, there is a decoration of a blue person. The exact same decoration can be seen inside the Ancient Castle of Ikana. Did the Ikanans build the Clock Tower?
Good timing, I was about to make my post when I saw this. The Giant's Mask was probably a weapon made by the Garo for them to use upon reaching the portal. The Garos probably built the Stone Tower, and we know the builders of the Tower loathed the goddesses and loved the Giants (think about the symbolism of the four giant phallices pointing at the goddesses). The Giant's Mask, maybe, was created as an homage to the Giants, whom the Terminians considered to be superior to the goddesses. So, the Garos planned to invade the heavens and use the power of a Giant to destroy the goddesses!! Is that the answer to all this?!!

That is SOO FREAKY!
You have the best theory on anything I have ever seen, so much mystery on majora's mask!!!

i like your theory dan!

Wow Dan your story was brilliant! In my Majora's mask game I have only just entered ikna canyon I didin't know there was so much to it! Your theory was incredibly how do I put it?... You sounded very confident you where right and I myself belive that you are.

*claps* impressive, that is a possibility, manogine has point though!!!

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

Hmm, as I'm typing this, I'm starting to develop a new theory.


Sharp and Flat clearly composed the Elegy of Emptiness. Was that song used to create the shells of the Garos? Are the spirits of the Garos somehow contained within the Garo's Mask, via the Song of Healing, perhaps?

Another thing: inside the Clock Tower, on the wall behind the Salesman, there is a decoration of a blue person. The exact same decoration can be seen inside the Ancient Castle of Ikana. Did the Ikanans build the Clock Tower?
Good timing, I was about to make my post when I saw this. The Giant's Mask was probably a weapon made by the Garo for them to use upon reaching the portal. The Garos probably built the Stone Tower, and we know the builders of the Tower loathed the goddesses and loved the Giants (think about the symbolism of the four giant phallices pointing at the goddesses). The Giant's Mask, maybe, was created as an homage to the Giants, whom the Terminians considered to be superior to the goddesses. So, the Garos planned to invade the heavens and use the power of a Giant to destroy the goddesses!! Is that the answer to all this?!!

The Garos were a clan at the service of the ikana royal family? or they were enemies. i never really got to understand this... and if they were at their service that makes them like what the sheikas were for the royal family of hyrule...
however the fact that there are no garos left (alive) makes me beleive that they all died in the "inverted tower incident"

great story keep up, ill post any thought i find about the ikana dark story

edit// we need an explanation about the FD mask cuz it really doesnt makes sense that it was an evil mask (the mask of a dark god)

Originally Posted by Vaati 2705

edit// we need an explanation about the FD mask cuz it really doesnt makes sense that it was an evil mask (the mask of a dark god)

There isn't enough information in the game to know enough about the FD mask. It's only referenced once as a mask with great power or something...

Originally Posted by Vaati 2705

The Garos were a clan at the service of the ikana royal family? or they were enemies. i never really got to understand this... and if they were at their service that makes them like what the sheikas were for the royal family of hyrule...
however the fact that there are no garos left (alive) makes me beleive that they all died in the "inverted tower incident"

great story keep up, ill post any thought i find about the ikana dark story

edit// we need an explanation about the FD mask cuz it really doesnt makes sense that it was an evil mask (the mask of a dark god)

Garos were spies working for Ikana's enemies.

Originally Posted by Daphnes

Garos were spies working for Ikana's enemies.

ok that changes some things, for example how could the garos have made a tower on the ikana kingdom?? and specially so close to the castle, unless they did it once the castle was already crumbled (which is most unlikely)

Here's food for thought, might be nothing, but listening to the Stone Tower Temple theme and then the Inverted Stone Tower Temple theme, the first one sounds more like your traditional deep men's background chorus, stretching far into the bass clef, sounding like something you'd expect to hear in an ancient kingdom. The Inverted theme on the other hand, is much different. The vocal chorus section is, of course, inverted, but listening to it, it sounds much more like the wailing of children or women then the gruff mens voices of the standard theme. I might be digging here, but maybe the music kind of symbolizes the destruction of the Ikanian people through the flipping of the tower, as stated earlier, or perhaps just kind of the tension of nearing the sandy area of Twinmold, which is possibly Terminian Hell, also stated earlier.

Originally Posted by Zelda_Stuff_Guy

Here's food for thought, might be nothing, but listening to the Stone Tower Temple theme and then the Inverted Stone Tower Temple theme, the first one sounds more like your traditional deep men's background chorus, stretching far into the bass clef, sounding like something you'd expect to hear in an ancient kingdom. The Inverted theme on the other hand, is much different. The vocal chorus section is, of course, inverted, but listening to it, it sounds much more like the wailing of children or women then the gruff mens voices of the standard theme. I might be digging here, but maybe the music kind of symbolizes the destruction of the Ikanian people through the flipping of the tower, as stated earlier, or perhaps just kind of the tension of nearing the sandy area of Twinmold, which is possibly Terminian Hell, also stated earlier.

Do you think the characters of the game hear background music? One of those unanswerable questions of games.

I didn't mean that the characters thought that, I meant more that the music sort of alludes to what is being talked about here (the destruction of the Ikanian people and all of that), and that it kind of reinforces the points that are made in a way. The teams that make games can be quite clever in respects to using music to allude to a point in the game.

It's doubtful that they hear the music in the background, it's suppsoed to be like real life to the characters in the game itself. We walk around and there is no music playing for us, so it only make sense that characters in a game or movie don't hear the music. As for the new developements in this particular theory, it's possible that Twinmold's chamber is their equivalent of Hell. The Fierce Deity's Mask is good for it contains all the good magic gathered from the people who gave you the other masks and the character's role as the Hero of Time probably helped to make the mask a good one instead of an evil one, as Majora probably intended when he gave you the mask.

IM only here to find out where the wallmasters in majoras mask are in the ikana well,castle,and towers are can anyone help?

Sorry, but we're discussing something entirely different. Try the Majora's Mask thread.

I think the FDM has the HMs' powers, all of them, added to Majora's rival. The crecent moon mark marks him as tied to Majora and the dreamscape of the Moon. The Golden Triangle mark marks him as tied to Link and the Goddesses.

So the Garos were a now-extinct tribe who are now amalgams of hatred and vengance. Mabye the Ikana and Garos worked together, and the Ikana blamed the Garos for the Tower's failure, and that's why they're at odds in undeath.

Originally Posted by Zelda_Stuff_Guy

Here's food for thought, might be nothing, but listening to the Stone Tower Temple theme and then the Inverted Stone Tower Temple theme, the first one sounds more like your traditional deep men's background chorus, stretching far into the bass clef, sounding like something you'd expect to hear in an ancient kingdom. The Inverted theme on the other hand, is much different. The vocal chorus section is, of course, inverted, but listening to it, it sounds much more like the wailing of children or women then the gruff mens voices of the standard theme. I might be digging here, but maybe the music kind of symbolizes the destruction of the Ikanian people through the flipping of the tower, as stated earlier, or perhaps just kind of the tension of nearing the sandy area of Twinmold, which is possibly Terminian Hell, also stated earlier.

Thanks for pointing that out. In addition to the points you made, it also seems to allude to the male/female conflict surrounding the Stone Tower. The tower was built by foolish, arrogant men, and to achieve justice the goddesses had to flip their tower and send them to Hell.

Originally Posted by i-mag

I don't think I read this before, but... Which event happened first? The construction of the Stone Tower or when Majora's Mask got sealed away...

The sealing of Majora's Mask happened long before the Stone Tower was built. The builders of the Stone Tower found the place where the tribe had sealed Majora, and they brought the mask back with them to Termina. It's not clear what happened in the following time period, but eventually the Happy Mask Salesman tracked down the mask. Given his strange association with the ancient tribe, I doubt he would have felt the need to search for Majora's Mask if it had remained in the desert undisturbed.
Interestingly, Flat referred to Majora as the Devil.

It might be impossible to solve the mystery of the Fierce Deity Mask. Unlike the Stone Tower, it's one of the most frequently discussed elements of Termina's mythology from what I've seen, yet it doesn't seem like anyone's arrived at a solid conclusion about it yet. Most people have their own theories and the game doesn't seem to provide enough evidence to indicate which ones are accurate.

I think it would help to understand the Fierce Deity if we could figure out what the deal was with the boss masks. Majora's Mask, the Fierce Deity's Mask, and the four boss masks all seem to be closely related. Why were they all present in the moon world, how were they made, and how and when were the Giants imprisoned by the four masks? Any thoughts?

Originally Posted by Vaati 2705

ok that changes some things, for example how could the garos have made a tower on the ikana kingdom?? and specially so close to the castle, unless they did it once the castle was already crumbled (which is most unlikely)

Keep in mind that the game came out for N64; Eastern Termina probably would have been many times larger if MM was a GCN game. The Stone Tower was an inpenetrable fortress to the Ikanians, according to the King of Ikana, although Sharp and Flat had composed the Elegy of Emptiness it seems as a strategy for invading the tower.

It's possible the Garos began building the tower as a fortress from which they could wage war against Ikana. The Ikanians suffered a defeat within their own kingdom, shaming Captain Keeta and prompting his long rest. Ikana had fallen at some point, although Sharp and Flat might have outlived the Royal Family. It's likely that the bloodthirsty Garos used the blood of the Ikanians to make the Stone Tower emblem. I'm not sure how the Garos became soulless shells.

Sometime later, a masked entity visited Sharp and offered to revive the Royal Family of Ikana in exchange for Sharp's soul. Sharp accepted the deal, became corrupted, and betrayed his brother Flat. The masked figure revived the Royal Family by opening the gates of the Stone Tower and letting the evil power within it pass into Ikana, making it a land of the undead. Pamela and her father then came to Ikana to conduct research. It seems the masked figure was Skull Kid, though it might be possible that it was someone else from long ago.

Your just diggin and diggin not stopping until you reach the juicy caramel centre of stone tower! You are amazingly good at thinking this thing through!

Interesting theory there Dan...
Wery interesting indeed...
Can't find anything more to say, honest...

On the Garos building the tower, that makes to meost sense to me. Why else would the Garo leader be in there? Plus, he had king's garb, maybe he was going to rule from there? OH and he had the light arrows, one of the ultimate weapons in the game, they may have been planning to use it against Ikana. o_o

I believe that he was hiding there, using the place as a refuge to save himself from the manslaughter!

Cheers,

Joe