Stone Tower of Babel: Why Termina was Doomed

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

It's disturbing because it just seems wrong. The trick to getting to them is...
Jump onto the eyelid of the temple entrance. From there, do a rolling jump and then use the Blast Mask in midair to propell yourself further.

Thanks... Ew....

Okay anyway, I've noticed that when you are on those blocks you jump across to get to the temple while its inverted, the camera makes a good job of trying to make yoy look directly at the triforce, so these statues are most probably really important, which sort of supports your theory.

This is my screen without me moving the camera at all:

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

At the top of the Stone Tower, there is a statue of a hand that points to the sky. Every time I looked at it I wondered why it was there. When I was playing that part of the game last night, I looked at the architexture at the entrance to the temple and I noticed that the tower next to the hand looked very phallic... then I understood.

And now, I think I've solved a large part of the mystery of Majora's Mask.

The Stone Tower is the Terminian equivalent of the Tower of Babel. The story of the Tower of Babel tells of mankind's attempt to defy God by building a tower that would reach the heavens. Because this was an act of wickedness, God thwarted their plans by making every man speak a different language. Unable to communicate, the men could not continue building the tower.

How does this apply to the Stone Tower? Many people here have mentioned that the Triforce can be seen on the statues leading to Ikana and on the blocks Link crosses to reach the top of the Tower. Nintendo did not put the Triforce there accidentally, or as an Easter egg. The Triforce is placed on the end of the tongue of the statue, and the statue uses its tongue to cover its crotch. Clearly the architects of those obscene statues were aware of the Triforce's existence and were mocking the three goddesses.

The hand at the top of the Stone Tower is pointing at the goddesses, and the phallic tower next to it is saying "Screw you." The Stone Tower itself resembles a giant phallus, sticking out of the earth and pointing towards the heavens.

The ancient ones who built the Stone Tower were blaspheming the goddesses of the Triforce. Their plan seems to have been to open a portal in the sky that would lead them to heaven. But the goddesses would not allow this to happen, and they would not let this evil go unpunished. So they flipped the universe upside down.

The architects opened the portal, but because everything had been reversed it led them to hell. And in hell there was a being that had been sealed away during a previous age, a being that had attempted to destroy the world. The architects found the mask of the demon and brought it with them. And so the goddesses punished the builders of the Stone Tower by releasing Majora into their world. That world was then called Termina because it was doomed to end. The men who had found the mask honored it by placing symbols of it in all the temples, as well as in the realm where they had found it (Twinmold's lair?).

Ages later, the Skull Kid stole the mask and the demon finally had a weak host it could use as a puppet. As Majora gained strength, it summoned the moon to come crashing into Termina, as it was the fate of that world to be destroyed. But then a child came into that doomed world, a child who was a member of the race that had been blessed by the goddesses, a child who had carried a piece of the sacred Triforce. That child was Link, and in three days he conquered the devil and saved the world. It should be noted that Link had entered a portal in the sky as he did this; was that the realm the ancient ones had tried to reach? As the moon was cast back into the heavens, the goddesses left behind a rainbow as a promise that they would not again seek to destroy Termina, as God had left a rainbow in the sky as a covenant with Noah after flooding the world.

Interestingly enough, though the goddesses spared Termina, they did send a flood to wipe out Hyrule.

Another thing I want to mention: In the Stone Tower Temple Link found the Giant's Mask, which was a sort of tranformation mask. Each transformation mask contained a being's essence. Was there, at one point, a fifth Giant? Were there two Giants in the East, and was one of them sealed away? The Giant's Mask closely resembles the mask of the Garo Master. Perhaps one Giant was the patriarch of the Garos and the other the patriarch of the Ikanans, and the ancient conflict was the source of the tensions that led to the war that destroyed Ikana.

Some of the credit for these theories goes to this thread at IGN, although my theories are fairly different. I found that thread with a google search; so far I've only read the first post.

So, what do you think?

Thats actually very interesting becouse of me being Assyrian and come from ancient babylon, Assyrians were the people of Mesopotamia and the head city of the Assyrian empire was babylon, The great city that tried to reach god. Wich later on came to be the doom of that empire. And it's said "Babylon shall never raise again."

Picture of the Tower of Babylon: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n_tower_03.jpg

After reading the whole thread i got a little freaked out, Majoras Mask is a really mysterious and wierd game, i wonder how the heck the developers could come up with things like this.
Really creppy, it's like we have been doing something that we didn't even now we were doing :S

Nice point about the camera focusing on the Triforce image, Surio. I recall being fairly annoyed by that, but never really paid much attention to it otherwise. I basically justed fixed the camera angle so that I'd be able to see what was ahead of Link. Certainly, it adds to the theory.

Now that you bring it up, though... It looks like Triforce symbol would actually be seen in an upside-down state if one were to look back at the blocks after reaching the entrance to the Inverted Stone Tower. Perhaps this is also reflection of how the Goddesses had condemned Termina to a cruel fate (Feline Witch made a similar point earlier in the thread, although he was referring to the beginning of the game). Perhaps such upside-down Triforces are meant to point downwards with their triangular shape as well, as if to signify the descent of the Terminians into their Hell.

Just tossing some ideas around here... I unfortunately don't have too much evidence to back them up.

Originally Posted by Kanji

Now that you bring it up, though... It looks like Triforce symbol would actually be seen in an upside-down state if one were to look back at the blocks after reaching the entrance to the Inverted Stone Tower. Perhaps this is also reflection of how the Goddesses had condemned Termina to a cruel fate (Feline Witch made a similar point earlier in the thread, although he was referring to the beginning of the game). Perhaps such upside-down Triforces are meant to point downwards with their triangular shape as well, as if to signify the descent of the Terminians into their Hell.

Just tossing some ideas around here... I unfortunately don't have too much evidence to back them up.

Wait, there actually is evidence for that.

The Triforces are pointing into the mouth of the temple. If you follow them and enter the temple, and continue going straight, look where you end up...

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

Wait, there actually is evidence for that.

The Triforces are pointing into the mouth of the temple. If you follow them and enter the temple, and continue going straight, look where you end up...

I wonder if anyone else than the nintendo crew that made this game knew about this ?
Is this the first time anyone notice the real story behind Majoras Mask or what ?
If no one did know about this then damn what a long time it took to figure it out.

Wow that's really interesting and quite a good read. I don't really look that deeply into the buildings in zelda but now you highlighted this i'm going to look for thoes little details.

Hylian Dan: great theory! Sorta obcene, but kinda cool nevertheless. Also: has anyone else noticed that the Tower of Babel and the Tower of the Gods from The Wind Waker look similar in the fact that they are A: very tall, B: have long, winding staircases on the exterior, and C: they pertain to gods? Here are pics to compare:

Tower of Babel:http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...n_tower_03.jpg
Tower of the Gods: http://www.zeldauniverse.net/gallery...ots/tww/36.jpg

Originally Posted by Sagge_AM

I wonder if anyone else than the nintendo crew that made this game knew about this ?
Is this the first time anyone notice the real story behind Majoras Mask or what ?
If no one did know about this then damn what a long time it took to figure it out.

Originally Posted by Hyrulian-Guard

Wow that's really interesting and quite a good read. I don't really look that deeply into the buildings in zelda but now you highlighted this i'm going to look for thoes little details.

I'm with HG. I never made the connection, but that's why I read stuff like this. So I need it pointed out. So what? Sagge, do you think everyone should have come to that conclusion soon after playing the game?

Oh. Thanks for pointing that out, Hylian Dan. I wouldn't have considered the relation between the pointing of the Triforce symbols and the interior of the temple.

Sagge_AM, these could just be a large string of coincidences, but I somehow doubt it. It seems quite likely to me that the producers of Majora's Mask knew more about Termina's past than what they revealed via the game. The game itself is pretty mysterious, and the lack of information about Termina and its past only adds to that feeling in the game.

Perhaps the games designers knew about the past of termina and were planning to reveal more in a future game.

It would be interesting to have another zelda game with termina in it, perhaps twighlight princess has some references - but we dont know yet.

Look at this image again:



I've colored the emblem so you can see how part is missing. Notice how the Mask has only two horns on each side of its "face", yet the Majora's Mask we know has four horns on each side.

Check this out:



In the desert realm, Majora's Mask is depicted as having only two full-sized horns on each side of its face! The inverted statue must be related to this then. It also means that the image of the Mask in the desert isn't a meaningless decoration like the Mask emblem on the blocks in all the temples, it's a definite clue. The Mask is also depicted with a nose and a mouth, it seems. Also, the warp to the boss room, which you can see in the first image, only has three horns on each side.



So what's the deal with Majora's Mask? Did it change over time?

Ye who holdmy remains...
Return to the appointed place to face me...

That is what it says when you go to face twinmold the second time, and It looks like it's coming out of the statue, but it says "face me" so I think that the statue might symbolize Twinmold, and not Majora's mask... But it looks nothing like Twin Mold's Head... Hmm...

Oh and I've found some things that might be of importance...


Maybe the red sun symbolizes hell, and the yellow sun represents Heaven.


That picture is in the middle of the twinrova fight... It's probably not important but hey... Why not post it up

(I'm back to ZU! <3)

Wow, this is really interesting.
And did anyone notice that if you fall in the inverted temple nothing really happens?

And on the Tower of the Gods thing; had anyone noticed that both the TOTG and Tower of Babel have unfinished/broken tips?

I believe this is one the phallic towers:

Originally Posted by Fishman

I believe this is one the phallic towers:

That wouldn't have come to mind during my first viewing. It makes me think arrow or something.

Why are there two Link clones?

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

Look at this image again:



So what's the deal with Majora's Mask? Did it change over time?

Wow. This is really interresting... I never really payed attention to all of these things inside this temple... I thought that the giant mask-ish thing at the beginning was just a random design, and the outside too...

When I saw Surio (my cousin) making the lines on that image, I didn't really get it... But now that I've read all of this, I understand it alot more.

When I was smaller, I thought that the Majora markings on the teleport things were there randomly, because Majora was the last boss... I was stupid back then...

I'm going to look for clues in that area, and post them here...

And yes, why are there two Link clones?

EDIT: I went through the dungeon a little, and found some designs...


That looks like the horn things on Majora's Mask...

Interesting thoughts here. I either never noticed some of what you pointed out, or never made a connection. Like you mentioned, most people have noticed the Triforce markings (me included). And I noticed a similarity between Majoras's Mask and the face in the temple when the temple is flipped.

Perhaps I'll post any thoughts I might have on the matter. or not.

Wow, this has got to be the best theory about MM I've read so far. I would've never been able to figure all this out myself. XP Hell, I never even noticed the hand outside the temple that pointed up/down.

Fishman, that's one of the pillars, but that screen cuts off the top part, which is what gives them away.

Here are a few more random things I've noticed related to symbols and designs. I'm not sure whether there's any real significance to them, but they're interesting.



This platform is built in the same exact architectural style of the Stone Tower Temple. The emblem is a variation of the compass design that can be seen in many places in the game. The four sides probably represent the four worlds of Termina. The clearest variation of this emblem appears in Majora's arena.

The Deku Buds in Majora's arena share that shape.

Going back to the desert emblem, the claw on each side is part of the Stone Tower spider emblem, but it does resemble the eye of Majora's Incarnation.

The broken statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple lost the pointy part at the bottom of the mask image. The Majora emblem seen on the boss warps and in the final arena is shaped similarly to that broken statue: there is no point at the bottom.

The Stone Tower Majora Statue also shows red lines above the face and around the eyes. Are they foreshadowing Majora's Mask's long red hair and fire beam attack?

When Majora's Mask attacks with the fire, a bulb of light appears in the middle of its face, slightly resembling the nose that is shown on the mask in the desert.



The images of the mask in the desert also show the mask with a mouth and a black spot on the forehead, almost looking like a third eye. There also seem to be two tiny horns poking out beneath the larger ones on the sides (though they're hard to see on fuzzy Youtube videos). The face of Majora's Wrath has three eyes and a mouth, and tiny horns poke out from its neck.



I probably overanalyzed a lot of this stuff, but I thought some of these things might be worth mentioning.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The images of the mask in the desert also show the mask with a mouth and a black spot on the forehead, almost looking like a third eye. There also seem to be two tiny horns poking out beneath the larger ones on the sides (though they're hard to see on fuzzy Youtube videos). The face of Majora's Wrath has three eyes and a mouth, and tiny horns poke out from its neck.

So you think Majora's Wrath may be the truest face of Majora? I would think the default would be the true face, but maybe the ultimate transformation that signifies the full force of her power is her true face.