Stone Tower of Babel: Why Termina was Doomed

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The people of Termina didn't just worship the Giants and ignore the Goddesses, they mocked the Goddesses and were going to attempt to destroy them, probably using the Giant's Mask as a weapon. I think they were too proud of their world's Giants to believe that some female deities could be superior.

So I suppose the difference between the Terminian and Hylian timelines is the giants. That the Giants ultiamately led to the near destruction of that world. For, as far as we know, there arent any Giants in Hyrule, and there are in the Terminian dimension. So without the Giants, the poeple revered the gods and goddesses, while the ones with the Giants, hated them.

Dan i liked your theory is so real. i always wonder about the stone tower pointing to the sky, and that portal. And the strange tryforce appearing in Ikana

Originally Posted by Bingo675

But its not quite inverted. The Triforce of Power, were going to assume, has simply been moved to the bottom. Does this have any significance? Why did the Terminians, or Ikanians discriminate against power? Was it the power of the godesses they were discriminating against, or Din? A point of evidence that would point to Din, actually is the Desert Colossus. Was she revered, or a slavedriver? Lets face it, shes the goddess of power. Maybe this is one of the reasons the Ikanians built this tower of mockery; against the power of Din.

I said a while ago that I thought it could mean that they were saying that the triforce, and thus, the goddesses, had no real power, because it was the giants who had power. I said this because as well as being at the bottom, the triforce of power is a lot smaller, so perhaps it represents that they (the goddesses) didn't have as much as they claimed to have.

Originally Posted by Guy Westcott

I said a while ago that I thought it could mean that they were saying that the triforce, and thus, the goddesses, had no real power, because it was the giants who had power. I said this because as well as being at the bottom, the triforce of power is a lot smaller, so perhaps it represents that they (the goddesses) didn't have as much as they claimed to have.

And I was saying that maybe they especially had a dislike for Din, rather than the other Goddesses.

Wow... where to start... I'll see if I can break this down a bit.

Well, first off, I'd like to say that this is an excellent theory, Hylian Dan. Undeniably so. I love Majora's Mask for its amazing story, and I thought I had delved as deep as I could go. Clearly I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

At the top of the Stone Tower, there is a statue of a hand that points to the sky. Every time I looked at it I wondered why it was there. When I was playing that part of the game last night, I looked at the architecture at the entrance to the temple and I noticed that the tower next to the hand looked very phallic... then I understood.

And now, I think I've solved a large part of the mystery of Majora's Mask.

The Stone Tower is the Terminian equivalent of the Tower of Babel. The story of the Tower of Babel tells of mankind's attempt to defy God by building a tower that would reach the heavens. Because this was an act of wickedness, God thwarted their plans by making every man speak a different language. Unable to communicate, the men could not continue building the tower.

How does this apply to the Stone Tower? Many people here have mentioned that the Triforce can be seen on the statues leading to Ikana and on the blocks Link crosses to reach the top of the Tower. Nintendo did not put the Triforce there accidentally, or as an Easter egg. The Triforce is placed on the end of the tongue of the statue, and the statue uses its tongue to cover its crotch. Clearly the architects of those obscene statues were aware of the Triforce's existence and were mocking the three goddesses.

The hand at the top of the Stone Tower is pointing at the goddesses, and the phallic tower next to it is saying "Screw you." The Stone Tower itself resembles a giant phallus, sticking out of the earth and pointing towards the heavens.

Your recognition of the various religious symbols is commendable. It's nice to see that Nintendo decided to be subtle this time, so as to avoid the censor! If more people were as observant as this, it's likely that we wouldn't be able to play the game.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The ancient ones who built the Stone Tower were blaspheming the goddesses of the Triforce. Their plan seems to have been to open a portal in the sky that would lead them to heaven. But the goddesses would not allow this to happen, and they would not let this evil go unpunished. So they flipped the universe upside down.

The architects opened the portal, but because everything had been reversed it led them to hell. And in hell there was a being that had been sealed away during a previous age, a being that had attempted to destroy the world. The architects found the mask of the demon and brought it with them. And so the goddesses punished the builders of the Stone Tower by releasing Majora into their world. That world was then called Termina because it was doomed to end. The men who had found the mask honored it by placing symbols of it in all the temples, as well as in the realm where they had found it (Twinmold's lair?)

I assume this is where the speculation and theorising starts? This certainly fits well with the amazingly vague history of the mask given by the Mask Salesman. Excellent interpretation of evidence, the name Termina in particular.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

Another thing I want to mention: In the Stone Tower Temple Link found the Giant's Mask, which was a sort of tranformation mask. Each transformation mask contained a being's essence. Was there, at one point, a fifth Giant? Were there two Giants in the East, and was one of them sealed away? The Giant's Mask closely resembles the mask of the Garo Master. Perhaps one Giant was the patriarch of the Garos and the other the patriarch of the Ikanans, and the ancient conflict was the source of the tensions that led to the war that destroyed Ikana.

This is the stuff that we have no real evidence for. But in that regard, have you taken the Stalchild Captain (whose name escapes me, to my utter shame) into consideration?

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

- There is a major piece of evidence for this theory in the first room of the Stone Tower Temple. At first the central statue seems to depict a distorted face sticking out its tongue, but notice what it resembles when the tower is inverted:





It is a statue of Majora's Mask. The bottom part broke off. If you look at it in the game, an emblem was painted on the bottom of the statue, but part of it is missing, indicating that the statue was originally heart-shaped.

Good observation. But, also notice that the apparently broken mask bears a strong likeness to Twinmold, especially the spiked protrusions. If you look at Majora's Mask, you'll noticed that the protrusions point straight out, whereas the ones on the statue in the above images bend like mandibles, like the ones on Twinmold's face for example.

The images you provided are incredibly helpful.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

A view of the temple entrance and the four phallic pillars- The four phallic pillars likely represent the four male Giants. The Terminians may have rejected the goddesses of the Triforce because they refused to worship anyone other than their Giants.

This image in particular helped me to see the phallic symbolism at last.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The front of a Stone Tower block
The side of the same block
The base of the same block, with the Triforce image- from the blocks leading into the inverted tower. Notice how the camera zooms in on the Triforce on its own, making it hard to overlook.
Another view of these blocks

There's no denying it - the Triforce is there for a reason. Until now, I couldn't imagine exactly what that reason might be.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

A mysterious portal above the Stone Tower Temple- Is it a glitch, or is there meaning to it?

I'm certain that this is a glitch, which is only present while the Tower isn't inverted. Notice how it appears directly above the boss warp - a slight programming error. My guess is that it is the boss warp portal, and was intended to appear on the ceiling with the boss warp platform while the Tower is right side up. I would be willing to bet that it isn't there before completing the Temple.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The Stone Tower emblem

The Majora's Mask monuments in the desert- Notice how in these images, the mask has two horns on each side of the face, instead of four, just like the stone statue of Majora's Mask. The Mask image here also seems to have a nose and a mouth, and possibly a third eye.

If you look at the emblem, and then invert it, it looks like a Lanmola with its mandibles opened out - undoubtedly a representation of Twinmold.

Also, the statues in the desert - again with the two bent spikes on either side as opposed to four straight ones, suggesting mandibles. Also, a possible third eye would solidify it as a Twinmold representation, since it has three eyes.

Originally Posted by Hylian Dan

The face of Majora's Wrath

I was wondering exactly what evidence you were going to offer to suggest that the mask was inside the tower - this is it. The front of the tower does bear a striking resemblence to Majora's true face.

Excellent finds, mate.

Not sure but I don't think that they were that tecnicall about it and the start of StoneTower doe's look like Majoria so it's possible but I just think that it was a dungeon nothing more or less just hey let's have a two part uside down place that's all it is, I mean if this is relivent than the Tree on the WoodFall temple represnt's the tree of Eternal life from Leehi's dream I doubt there that articulant about the game so it's just a game and a very good one a that but I'd like to think Nintendo was that Deep But I don't think so!!

Originally Posted by Lurrrre!

Not sure but I don't think that they were that tecnicall about it and the start of StoneTower doe's look like Majoria so it's possible but I just think that it was a dungeon nothing more or less just hey let's have a two part uside down place that's all it is, I mean if this is relivent than the Tree on the WoodFall temple represnt's the tree of Eternal life from Leehi's dream I doubt there that articulant about the game so it's just a game and a very good one a that but I'd like to think Nintendo was that Deep But I don't think so!!

Could you please use punctuation somewhere in your paragraph? It makes them rather hard to read if it's all one sentence.

But I think there are a few things that Nintendo definately knew what they were doing, such as the four phallic pillars. Just look at them. And a few other things in Ikana and Stone Tower, such as the Triforce blocks. However, this is not all grounded purely in reality or game-reality, and much of it is theorizing. But based on a lot of evidense or common sense.

That was a very intersting theory. But why would the central statue in the Stone Tower Temple be upside down? The spikes on it don't exactly look like the ones on Majora's Mask either. The statue thing might be a coincedance, but the rest of your theory makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Golden Chicken

That was a very intersting theory. But why would the central statue in the Stone Tower Temple be upside down? The spikes on it don't exactly look like the ones on Majora's Mask either. The statue thing might be a coincedance, but the rest of your theory makes perfect sense.

Don't you see? It looks like majora's wrath's face!

Originally Posted by demon_link

Don't you see? It looks like majora's wrath's face!

Oh, thanks Demon Link. I see it now. Okay, The whole thing makes perfect sense now. I never really thought of the Stone Tower that way before, but It's very intriguing. Great job, Hylian Dan!

I've taken some more pictures.

Here are the interesting/question-raising ones (with the ones I think are very interesting with an *):

An interesting pattern on the slabs in the graveyard. The "spikes" look similar to Majora's horns?
Mysterious grouping of rocks on the side of the wall in the graveyard. I can't figure out what these rocks are doing. I can't find a pattern to their locations, and levitating proved that you could not walk on them or pick them up. There are no other rocks like these in the back part of the graveyard.

*An interesting shadow of a dragonfly. It looks similar to the mouth of one of the Twinmold creatures.

Canal running around the inside of the castle wall. Could have something to do with the canals outside the castle.
Procession of the dead up the stairs. It looks like the skeletons are walking up the stairs, but why? Is there a ritual on the roof? Liberation from this life?

*And the most interesting of all: A paper airplane on the top of a pillar outside Ikana Castle? Here is closer view.


Here are the plain informational ones:
A view of the mirror shield.
*A view of the Stone Tower.
The throne room in Ikana Castle.
Skulls in the Ikana Castle throne room.
Another view of the Stone Tower from Ikana Castle.
A view of the stone blocks in the Stone Tower.


Here are the ones I took out of boredom/frustration:
The Dead Die Once More.
I can't let a Fire Keese get away with this. :glare
*Here's my revenge.
*Boredom with ReDeads.


So, do you think the shadow of the dragonfly resembling Twinmold was on purpose or on accident? And what about the airplane? Is it just an Easter Egg?

P.S. Thanks for bearing with me through the last pictures :XD

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o...e/snap0255.jpg
the symbols next to the staircase... they look like masks/stones of truth if i'm not mistaken
and yet on the other hand, they also look similar to majora's wrath's head

Originally Posted by Gazebo

I can't let a Fire Keese get away with this. :glare

WTF!? Are four of them flying you through the air!? That is so funny!

Nice shots, Gazebo. I took one of the paper airplane in the day, its a bit easier to see. I honetly never noticed the airplane, lol, fascinating find. A little easter egg by the programmers, I suppose.

I think that...

Many of you guys and this is largely based off a creative imaginary and dirty-thinking.

While this thread was indeed well-researched and constructed (something I'll give the creator credit for and is impressed by) I think this whole theory isn't necessarily likely to be right even partially.

I strongly do not believe those pillars are meant to be phallic or else a simple bedroom lamp is phallic.

I always felt those pillars were actually lamps or something that could be lit at night during ceremonies.

In fact certain accusations like that the Stone Tower "resembles a phallus, oh my!" threw me off. It isn't even coinidental, it is something 12-year olds would claim as much as that the Grand Canyon is "one big vagina".

As for those statues with their tongues over their "supposed" crotchs... could someone show me actual statues that did the same type of thing and prove to me their meaning were a derogatory "sexual" one? So that way we could prove it was an allusion and obscenity towards the Triforce.

Otherwise, I think it is overexaggeration and once again, dirty-thinking.

There are picture's of said blocks above.

[IMG]OMG THE SHIEKAH SYMBOL: On the sides of the staircase.[/IMG]

What does THIS mean? That the Ikana are the counterparts of the Sheikah?

Originally Posted by demon_link

There are picture's of said blocks above.

[IMG]OMG THE SHIEKAH SYMBOL: On the sides of the staircase.[/IMG]

What does THIS mean? That the Ikana are the counterparts of the Sheikah?

No, but that they may have had some relation with the Sheikah, as the Hylians did.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

No, but that they may have had some relation with the Sheikah, as the Hylians did.

Or, a relation to a shiekah like tribe... Like the GARO!!! OMG!!

Okay, Here's an idea:

Ikana kingdom mirrors hyrule kingdom, but their version of the Sheikah, the Garo, rebel. This starts a huge, generation spanning war in which innocent people are put to death for suspected collaboration with the other side. Thus, bloodstained history. tah-dah!!!




If my Idea is stupid, please tell me.

Originally Posted by demon_link

Or, a relation to a shiekah like tribe... Like the GARO!!! OMG!!

Okay, Here's an idea:

Ikana kingdom mirrors hyrule kingdom, but their version of the Sheikah, the Garo, rebel. This starts a huge, generation spanning war in which innocent people are put to death for suspected collaboration with the other side. Thus, bloodstained history. tah-dah!!!




If my Idea is stupid, please tell me.

No, that idea is quite relevant, as it has been discussed before. The two dimensions clearly have different timelines. The only difference between them is the placement of the giants. Something could have led the Garo, or Shiekah, to be an enemy of the kingdom, as opposed to loyal servants.

Originally Posted by Gazebo

I've taken some more pictures.

So, do you think the shadow of the dragonfly resembling Twinmold was on purpose or on accident? And what about the airplane? Is it just an Easter Egg?

P.S. Thanks for bearing with me through the last pictures :XD

The one of the paper aeroplane - I always thought that was just like a chipped bit of stone, but thats weird
The one of the rocks on the wall in the graveyard - that looks a bit like musical notes to me