Multiple Time Lines Don't Exist Because of OoT.

First off, if any of you have read my time line theories you already know that I think split time lines are ridiculous. Well I'll put my "money" where my mouth is and back up why these theories are wrong. (And that this was all started by Mr. Miyamoto because he was to dam confused himself to explain a stable time line because he couldn’t even figure it out do to the OoT messed up concept of time.) Well this whole thing is his fault and he has misguided all of us from his outdated split time line theory that some still follow. Without further ado here is why split time lines are a no go and why OoT did not have to be misleaded to spawning useless confusing multiple Zelda time lines.


In the OoT Link pulls out the Master Sword and is sealed away for seven years. Ganondorf enters the Sacred Realm shortly after Link is sealed away and obtains the Triforce. The Triforce splits only leaving the Triforce of Power for Ganondorf and the remaining pieces were sent out into those CHOSEN by DESTINEY. Therefore the Triforce at that same time, after Ganondorf made his wish, the other two pieces were placed into Link and Zelda at the same time 7 seven years ago before the beginning of the Imprisoning War. Though Zelda did not discover she possessed the other Triforce until later and she had to flee from Hyrule again after meeting Link (in/from the past) outside of Hyrule Castle Town. Link (now in/from the future) defeats Ganondorf and returns to his former time. Link has the Triforce of Courage still as does Zelda (in the past) with the Triforce of Wisdom do to Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm touching the Triforce. (But she does not know she has the Triforce of Wisdom because she has not awakened as a Sage yet.)

Now you probably are saying to yourself "Wait a minute. Your about to say there are two Links here?" Precisely. Zelda (from the future) had to of sent Link (from the future) back as a child at the time Link (in the past) had entered the Temple of Time and was sealed away. (Otherwise there would be two Links running around Hyrule at the same time and that would not be right. Make since?) Zelda (in the past) at this time looses Ganondorf with Impa and hides out away from Hyrule. Ganondorf now disgusted that he lost Zelda in his chase now realizes that Link was the keeper of the Ocarina of Time and heads back to the Temple of Time with reinforcements to invade the now opened door to the Sacred Realm. At the time Ganondorf is in the Sacred Realm and has obtained the Triforce. Zelda returns to Hyrule Castle with Impa to warn her father that Ganondorf had entered the Sacred Realm and was going to attack Hyrule Castle soon. The King still did not listen to her plea. She hurries to the Temple of Time only to find that Link’s spirit was to be trapped for seven long years. She blamed herself for all of these unfortunate events because she could not get to him fast enough nor wait for him before.

As she was in the Temple of Time the ancient Sage Rauru called out to her in distress and let her know what horrible things were happening in the Sacred Realm. He awakened her as a Sage revealing she had the Triforce of Wisdom. Rauru gave her back the Ocarina of Time that Link possessed, for it had far to dangerous powers, even more so than the Triforce could have in the wrong hands. (This how Zelda is able to give Link the Ocarina of Time right before MM.) And therefore it was too dangerous to have in the Chamber of Sages now with Ganondorf infiltrating it. Shocked by all of this Zelda ran back to Hyrule Castle to spy through her window at the condition of what was at hand with her father, now that Ganondorf was invading the Sacred Realm. Ganondorf then left the Sacred Realm and planed to later ambush Hyrule Castle with the Triforce of Power and take over when they least expected it. Link (from the future) returned from the Temple of Time shortly and the Door of Time is shut after he leaves and he goes to the castle and walks up behind Zelda…

Zelda very shocked now to see him, she noticed Link had a piece of the Triforce and had thought he had obtained the Triforce before Ganondorf did as they originally planned to do. But she knew this was impossible do to the situation at hand. Hyrule Castle was not invaded just yet at this time. Zelda figured out from Link that no matter what, he was destined to be the Hero and she then new of what was destined in the future. Thus he was proclaimed as the Hero as stated in the MM prologue even before he had defeated Ganondorf at the end of the Imprisoning War. She gave the Ocarina of Time to Link (from the future) again knowing it would be safer to have it as far out of anyone’s reach as possible. Link then left Hyrule after meeting Zelda (in the past) and had his fragment of the Triforce separated from him and it was placed in the Sacred Realm again (after Ganondorf left it) later to be placed in the Hero of Time - (Link in/from the past) as he slept for seven years. So therefore Link still became the Hero of Time and awakened the Sages of Hyrule and thus this legend was recorded in the chamber of the Master Sword in Hyrule Castle in WW. And there were no lost or SEPARATED time lines after OoT or MM.

Link went to set out on a personal journey after being separated by the elements that made him a hero, to find his friend he parted with and left Hyrule with the Ocarina of Time. Link found himself in an unknown part of the Lost Woods and ended up on some crazy twisted quest in a land called Termina. Link saved this land from its darkest hour and returned to the Lost Woods and disappeared forever... Ah but he did not just simply disappear. He returned to Hyrule for Link (from the past) sleeping now in the Chamber of Sages, had no Ocarina of Time. Knowing that Link (in the past) could not continue his quest without it he, snuck back into Hyrule Castle and gave it back to Zelda for safekeeping. She gave it back to the Sage Rauru to give back to Link before Ganondorf invaded Hyrule Castle Town and Zelda would have to flee from Hyrule again for she was a possessor of the Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf would be frantically looking for it. Thus Link (in/from the past) would need this ocarina to complete his quest as the Hero of Time, (would then be Link in the future.)

Also note that when Link was in Termina, time itself ran differently and he discovered a power to slow, speed up, and rewind time with it. So he could have rewound time or slowed it down when he went back to Hyrule and slipped the Ocarina of Time back to Zelda so she could have it back to Link in the Chamber of Sages undetected. Then later Link could save Hyrule as the awakened Hero of Time. Thus Link (from the future) disappeared from Hyrule during the Imprisoning War knowing that he would become the Hero of Time either way if he went back to Hyrule or not, for Link (from the past) would fulfill the legend relentless of what happened.

With Zelda reappearing as a Sheika named Sheik after seven years in the Imprisoning War, she had her memories of how she met Link (from the future) as the young Hero of Time that possessed the Triforce of Courage as proof. After she revealed herself to Link (from the past) as Zelda, she was captured by Ganondorf and later rescued by Link. Link fulfilling the prophecy of defeating Ganon and afterwards she may have decided not to send Link back to his original time because history would repeat itself for a second time.

This could be so because otherwise how else would the WW exist if there were no Hero to speak of in the past of OoT. The Hero would have to return to Hyrule to ensure his destiny as the Hero of Time was fulfilled after MM because he was still a child and the events that were happening in Hyrule were yet to come again for he would be reliving and seeing the past events again like he did the first time when Ganondorf entered the Sacred Realm. Link (from the future) would have no choice but to ensure that destiny would be fulfilled again so Hyrule would not be in shadow forever and that the Hero would appear. That is why Link (from the future) made himself known to Zelda (in the past) and that she would not send him back in time again like she would in the future. Overall the Hero of Time would still exist taking these extra precautions.

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One thing that you may be confused about on this theory is if Link (from the past) defeated Ganon in the seven-year future and then returned to a child to do all the things he did as Link (from the future), wouldn’t time itself keep repeating itself in this cycle and there would be more than two Links? The answer is NO because Link (from the future) would not go on the quest again to save Termina a second time knowing that he was destined to do it anyway and therefore would have already been done. And thus Link had to complete his quest to insure he would still be able to complete his quest as The Hero of Time with the Ocarina of Time, in the future after MM. So it is safe to say that Link just disappears and we never know what happened to the Link (from the future) from there on.

Also note that the Triforce of Courage was separated from Link and put back in the Sacred Realm for the Hero of Time – (Link from the past), but would be later put in the Sacred Realm again from the Hero of Time right after he defeated Ganon. Then later on it would be broken into eight shards and hidden in Hyrule some time in the future. It would be the safer thing to do, so history would not repeat the time cycle of having Link (from the future) doing everything all over again and again with still making sure Link (from the past) had the Triforce of Courage to become the Hero of Time and complete his quest and move on. Therefore Link after OoT was not sent back to his original time totally because there is really TWO Links. One Link in the future and other in the past.

In conclusion to this theory, I would believe that MM could actually take place BEFORE OoT since link was a child whereas he would have to come back to Hyrule to insure that he, the Hero of Time, appeared to save Hyrule from Ganondorf as prophesized. If Link just disappeared after MM, the OoT would not exist, for there would be no Link to become the Hero of Time and save Hyrule like told in the prologue of WW.

I read that speech and maybe understood half of it :confused:. My explanation is that when link went into the past at the end of the game, he returned to Zelda and told her not to worry. He then waited for Link (from the past) to finish gathering the spiritual stones and head into the temple. Link (from the future) kept Link (from the past) from opening the door by telling him that Ganondorf wouldn't get past the fourth key to the Sacred Realm (the Master Sword). This realization would change the future, thus causing the future Link to cease to exist. Link (from the past) would then return to the forest until Majora's Mask .

I had thought of almost that exact same theory before, but it requires too much speculation and wild assumptions so I no longer believe it. I believe that when link went back in time for the last time he went to get the oot from Zelda and then went off to mm, never opening the sacred realm thus causing oot and tww to never happen.

The only problem with that theory is Ganondorf would still be around to terrorize the masses, he couldn't have been trapped in the sacred realm because the sages would never have been awoken.

You all are forgetting one important thing!!! :mad: In the WW after Link left Hyrule Castle with Tetra's identity revealed as a decendant of Zelda, The King of Red Lions told Link of the Hero of Time and how he embarked on a personal journey after his battles across time. Also it was told by the king that before he left Hyrule he was separated from the elements that made him the hero. (The Triforce of Courage) This all would make sence because the Hero of Time - (Link from the past) would need the Triforce of Courage to become the hero and fullfil OoT legend. Thus Link (from the future) would have to of done this.

Now how could the OoT not exist if the information about the Hero of Time in WW is told of him embarking on a quest out of Hyrule, being told by the king, and thus was obviously recorded in hystory. Thus OoT and MM exist on the same time line! If they were on different time lines, info. on the eiher of them would not exist. OoT can not happen without MM being mentioned and thats all there is to it.

MM theorectically comes after OoT, but on a time line scale it comes before OoT.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Now how could the OoT not exist if the information about the Hero of Time in WW is told of him embarking on a quest out of Hyrule, being told by the king, and thus was obviously recorded in hystory. Thus OoT and MM exist on the same time line! If they were on different time lines, info. on the eiher of them would not exist. OoT can not happen without MM being mentioned and thats all there is to it.

MM theorectically comes after OoT, but on a time line scale it comes before OoT.

Because TWW is in OOT's timeline so it IS recorded. The events that made oot not happen also made TWW not happen. And no, there is no mention of the hero of time embarking on another quest anywhere in TWW, I just read the entire text dump. So what you just said is false OOT CAN happen without MM because MM has no real relevance to what happened. MM is in a parrallel world, not necesarily in a different timeline, or perhaps in both, so the legend of tingle could have been from termina, and tingle could have left termina appearing in the OOT/TWW timeline.

What I don't get is if they are the same time line, Ganondorf would have had to have returned from the sacred realm before Link came back from the future, replaced the sword and closed the door of time. And had he done so, where was he when Link returned? And why is the princess back in the castle with the Ocarina of time? Didn't she throw it in the river? She isn't supposed to get it back for another 7 years because Link is sealed in the sacred realm with it!

And if Link gets sent back by zelda to a point before Ganondorf attacks the castle and causes Zelda to flee, then there's problems there too, eg: there would be 2 young links running around the place! Not only that, but Zelda gives link the ocarina of time before he leaves on his journey to find Navi, how is she supposed to do that AND throw it in the river afterwards?

Originally Posted by silver arrow

Because TWW is in OOT's timeline so it IS recorded. The events that made oot not happen also made TWW not happen. And no, there is no mention of the hero of time embarking on another quest anywhere in TWW, I just read the entire text dump. So what you just said is false OOT CAN happen without MM because MM has no real relevance to what happened.

I'm pretty darn sure that The King of Red Lions said to Link in WW that once the Hero left Hyrule the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards. I figured that the King was talking about the only recorded time of when Link from OoT left Hyrule to end up in Termina. And I also recall in the prologue of MM that once the Hero embarked on a journey out of Hyrule he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. The Triforce of Courage. I don't know where you looked up your text dumps but I looked at the ones from www.zeldalegends.net. I can see how things seem to match up. The MM plays a little part in WW and you are misleading a valuable clue in the storyline which could open up doors.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

I'm pretty darn sure that The King of Red Lions said to Link in WW that once the Hero left Hyrule the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards. I figured that the King was talking about the only recorded time of when Link from OoT left Hyrule to end up in Termina. And I also recall in the prologue of MM that once the Hero embarked on a journey out of Hyrule he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. The Triforce of Courage. I don't know where you looked up your text dumps but I looked at the ones from www.zeldalegends.net. I can see how things seem to match up. The MM plays a little part in WW and you are misleading a valuable clue in the storyline which could open up doors.

It says the triforce of courage split when he separated from the elements which made him a hero, which could have been going back in time. MM says nothing about him separating from the elements that made him a hero.

Originally Posted by silver arrow

It says the triforce of courage split when he separated from the elements which made him a hero, which could have been going back in time. MM says nothing about him separating from the elements that made him a hero.

If Link was separated from the Triforce of Courage when he went back in time how come when at the end of OoT, Link still has the Triforce on his hand when he meets zelda? In MM it did say that in the prologue the Hero was separated from the elements that made him a hero in Hyrule. The only important element that comes to mind that made Link the destined hero was that he possessed the Triforce of Courage.

GOD, could someone break it down to the basics. That was like: He is here yet he's here but there she was while he was there then while they were there she was here while he was there! I'm getting dizzey!

EDIT: :confused:Read the part I didn't understand, again! Still confused!

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

He returned to Hyrule for Link (from the past) sleeping now in the Chamber of Sages, had no Ocarina of Time. Knowing that Link (in the past) could not continue his quest without it he, snuck back into Hyrule Castle and gave it back to Zelda for safekeeping. She gave it back to the Sage Rauru to give back to Link before Ganondorf invaded Hyrule Castle Town and Zelda would have to flee from Hyrule again for she was a possessor of the Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf would be frantically looking for it. Thus Link (in/from the past) would need this ocarina to complete his quest as the Hero of Time, (would then be Link in the future.)

Also note that when Link was in Termina, time itself ran differently and he discovered a power to slow, speed up, and rewind time with it. So he could have rewound time or slowed it down when he went back to Hyrule and slipped the Ocarina of Time back to Zelda so she could have it back to Link in the Chamber of Sages undetected. Then later Link could save Hyrule as the awakened Hero of Time. Thus Link (from the future) disappeared from Hyrule during the Imprisoning War knowing that he would become the Hero of Time either way if he went back to Hyrule or not, for Link (from the past) would fulfill the legend relentless of what happened.

Ok... now your just assuming things, once you start adding in your own little fictions, a red light goes off in my head, and it tells me that most of what your saying is probably wrong.
I deffinantly value your opinion, and your theories LOZhistorian, but I'm not fond of mixing fact with fiction

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

If Link was separated from the Triforce of Courage when he went back in time how come when at the end of OoT, Link still has the Triforce on his hand when he meets zelda?

Did he not also have the triforce mark on his hand in the oracle games, where he did not have any part of the triforce? In AOL and in OOA/OOS it says that the mark simply means that he is destined to be a hero, not that he has the triforce.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

In MM it did say that in the prologue the Hero was separated from the elements that made him a hero in Hyrule.

No it doesn't. All it says is that he's looking for a special friend.

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE PM ME THE SHORT EXPLANATION?! I WANT TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION! It would be much appreciated!

(You all are forgetting one important thing!!! In the WW after Link left Hyrule Castle with Tetra's identity revealed as a decendant of Zelda, The King of Red Lions told Link of the Hero of Time and how he embarked on a personal journey after his battles across time. Also it was told by the king that before he left Hyrule he was separated from the elements that made him the hero. (The Triforce of Courage) This all would make sence because the Hero of Time - (Link from the past) would need the Triforce of Courage to become the hero and fullfil OoT legend. Thus Link (from the future) would have to of done this.

Now how could the OoT not exist if the information about the Hero of Time in WW is told of him embarking on a quest out of Hyrule, being told by the king, and thus was obviously recorded in hystory. Thus OoT and MM exist on the same time line! If they were on different time lines, info. on the eiher of them would not exist. OoT can not happen without MM being mentioned and thats all there is to it.)

Hmmm this is too tough to say, I really don't hope that the reason Ganondorf can't transform into Ganon is because it continues from the Timeline where link was a kid. But how did he get the triforce of power if it was from the timeline where he dosen't win. The personal journey could have been he wanted to go back and have a childhood looking at gerado porn and having some fun with Zelda Saria and Malon, hehe no the most likely thing is noone was there to claim the TOC in future timeline so it split