The Ancient Sages

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Alright... So what about those Ancient Sages? Rauru is supposed to be the last of them, right? Well, would that mean that there has been, say, other sages of Water, Forest, Fire, Spirt, Shadow, etc?

Indeed. Note that the Zoras seem to be passing down the Zora's Sapphire through the Sagehood, and that Darunia's son is aware that his father is the Sage of Fire. The only characters who do not realize they are Sages are characters with no family.

And um... I thought the new line of sages, (the ones Link awoke) were immortal? Well, at least Saria had to be, duh, she was, after all, a Kokiri.

the power of being a sage is not passed down... you are chosen... by what? I'm not sure... how you're chosen? im not sure... but it isn't passed down through some ruby. There is no proof of immortality in a sage, for the fact, Ganondorf kills 2 sages pre-WW. Where the others went? I assume die of old age for leaving the Chamber of Sages.

Ganondorf kills two pre-WW? How do you know that? And if that's really true, which ones?

Originally Posted by Link Messiah

the power of being a sage is not passed down... you are chosen... by what? I'm not sure... how you're chosen? im not sure... but it isn't passed down through some ruby. There is no proof of immortality in a sage, for the fact, Ganondorf kills 2 sages pre-WW. Where the others went? I assume die of old age for leaving the Chamber of Sages.

i belive it is being passed down and that a family is chosen,the rubys had nothing to do with the sages really i dont belive they had anything to do with sages only to unlocked the master sword.they may have been but dont make sence because if they were givin to the sages saria would have had one not the deku tree.

In OoT, doesn't it say that the Sages were chosen the same way as Link was
- via 'destiny'? Although I have no idead how that actually works, it ought to answer how they're chosen. As for being immortal, I don't think so - more likely to just have a long life.

Where does it say that Kokiri are immortal, anyway?

I thought the sages chose who they wanted to replace them once they died.

Didn't Laruto and Fado in WW both say 'Go find the ones who holds these instrument'

Originally Posted by Tiroth

Where does it say that Kokiri are immortal, anyway?

It's really just common knowledge.

The Sagehood has to be passed down through heredity, otherwise the seventh Sage wouldn't ALWAYS be Princess Zelda. She's not THAT special!

And my theory about the Kokiri's strange existance is that they are immortal so long as they are within the forest. That is why when they leave the forest, they die; it's because they lose that immortality.

Originally Posted by kirbieb

i belive it is being passed down and that a family is chosen,the rubys had nothing to do with the sages really i dont belive they had anything to do with sages only to unlocked the master sword.they may have been but dont make sence because if they were givin to the sages saria would have had one not the deku tree.

In my thoughts, the original sages were one of each race, so technically, they are all related to them somehow, anyone can be a sage, how ever, they have to proove themselves, like they did in OoT, they went up against the challenge to do what was right, just like in WW, Makar and Medli went along side Link. However, the instruments they held is actually what had the power, not the fact they were sages while playing. Similar to Link not being destined to use the Ocarina or Baton (sp).

Originally Posted by the modern age

Ganondorf kills two pre-WW? How do you know that? And if that's really true, which ones?

Ganon or his minions killed Laruto and Fado. They both mentioned being killed. he did this knowing they were a thorn in his shoe for power. They did this withen the time he came back and Link did not show up to save anyone, thus the world was flooded. Otherwise how would they be a Zora and KokiriKid?

Originally Posted by Tiroth

In OoT, doesn't it say that the Sages were chosen the same way as Link was
- via 'destiny'? Although I have no idead how that actually works, it ought to answer how they're chosen. As for being immortal, I don't think so - more likely to just have a long life.

Where does it say that Kokiri are immortal, anyway?

My thoughts are the sages aren't just chosen outta the blue, they have to perform a task, or be capable of performing the task.

The Age Thing, I believe as long as they remain in the Chamber of Sages, they will live as long as they want. once they leave, they begin to age once more. Althought I am now beginning to question that for in OoT how did Link grow up... I believe his soul was held at the Chamber of Sages... not his body.

Kokiri are not Immortal, I believe they live the average life span, just never physically grow to the proportion of a Hylian or Human.

Originally Posted by Maxi678

I thought the sages chose who they wanted to replace them once they died.

Didn't Laruto and Fado in WW both say 'Go find the ones who holds these instrument'

Yes and No... first off for the no. They don't choose who will replace them. I believe they just become the sage. or chosen by the gods once they've prooved themselves. Either way... they said find the ones holding these instruments because they knew, the ones who had it, probably could play it o_O so they were capable of playing the role. The roles needed in tWW were different than in OoT Remember that.

Originally Posted by Tiroth

Where does it say that Kokiri are immortal, anyway?

Originally Posted by the modern age

It's really just common knowledge.

No it isn't common knowledge, because if they were immortal why would they be forced to change their shape to survive!?

Originally Posted by WiNdDjInNbOy

The Sagehood has to be passed down through heredity, otherwise the seventh Sage wouldn't ALWAYS be Princess Zelda. She's not THAT special!

And my theory about the Kokiri's strange existance is that they are immortal so long as they are within the forest. That is why when they leave the forest, they die; it's because they lose that immortality.

You're right, the original sages didn't include Zelda at all if I remember correctly.
The wisemens daughters in LttP... there were 7 wasn't there? Zelda was only special in that one because she was the last remaining one.
Zelda isn't that special... except her triforce piece was passed down to the preceding Zelda for years.

I believe that the only reason the Great Deku tree warns them not to leave the forest is because they will be percieved as children, and to top it off, they only have the strength of a child. what could a child do to survive in those times? The Great Deku tree was like a father(guardian so-to speak) to them. Its like sending a 10 year old to go get a job in todays world, make money, buy a home, pay bills, and don't get mugged. They are called Kokiri Kids for a reason.

The Spiritual Stones probably had something to do with the Ancient Sages. Since it seems like Rauru and the other Ancient Sages built the Temple of Time to protect the Master Sword, they also created the Stones to enfoce the Door of Time's seal. (Just for the record, the Kokiri, Goron, and Zora emblems resemble each race's Stone. The Kokiri emblem is the swirl on the Deku shield which is shaped like the Kokiri's Emerald, the Goron Footprint design is shaped like the Goron's Ruby, and the Zora's emblem is shaped like the Zora's Sapphire. That doesn't really tell you anything about the Sages, though.)

In TWW, Laruto mentions how her bloodline endures, so that could be taken to mean that the Sagehood is passed down (and that the Zora evolution theory is possible). And in ALttP the Maidens are descendants of sages and they hold some power, so there must be a special quality in the bloodline of Sages but it doesn't have to mean there is a Sage in each generation of the families.

And I don't think there's any solid evidence supporting or contradicting the possibility of Kokiri's being immortal, so believe what you want to believe about them.

Originally Posted by WiNdDjInNbOy

And my theory about the Kokiri's strange existance is that they are immortal so long as they are within the forest. That is why when they leave the forest, they die; it's because they lose that immortality.

Your right. I think so, too.

alright, not that I threw some pretty heavy evidance against Kokiri Immortality or anything, but there is a seperate section for fan-fics on this forum. and it's not like only 2 of the sages in OoT Posses a ruby of some kind... out of err... how many was it... 7? that's right... they stand as only keys to the door. probably designed to praise the friends of the Hylians... see'n as making something in appraisal to others often gains their respect and vote in situations... heh... ::points at the Statue of Liberty::

You see any fan-fiction here? These are simply facts and theories.

yes, facts, and theories not utilizing these facts. thus, fiction. , is it a difficult concept? should I look up definitions for you? come now... just read. HD has always defyed the obvious with nothin to back it...

The Goron's claimed that the Spiritual Stones were gifts from the King of Hyrule to end the Great War which was prior to the Ocarina of Time.

As for the Kokiri being immortal, no I don't believe that, but I do believe that they are ageless children, unless they go out of the Kokiri Forest. At the end of the Ocarina of Time we see both Mido and Saria out of the Kokiri Forest, meaning that they should then no longer be ageless children of the forest.

As for how the sages become sages, I think it is destiny, much as how alot of things arise in Hyrule.