Black Sabbath: Metal or Not?

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

Isn't it kind of obvious? You talked about metal being unemotional and then compared every single band in a very wide genre of music to soulless technical death metal. Sounds like you just listened to Brain Drill and established that was the only metal band ever in existence. Everyone has different ways of expressing their emotions, and playing aggressive music is a great way of doing that. "Metal bands play soulless music" doesn't really make sense either, if it sounds great it feels great therefore it has a soul. It's really up to the musician to put a little groove into the song too, so maybe you're just listening to the wrong bands. More melodic metal bands tend to have a lot of what you call soul too. Melodic death metal especially, take Intestine Baalism as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E50EmhX7Rho

You may not like it which is fine, but it's not "soulless", far from it. I really don't know what to say to your music appreciation thing though, because every single band I've ever listened to has had appreciation for music. In a different sense than the very elegant melodies that Iced Earth play for example, yes, but still very beautiful in their own sense. I had a good laugh at your melody statement too, metal is among the more melodic genres I've ever heard.

I don't really know what you mean by the finger tap solo thing, because I almost never hear tapping in metal, I would say the bands you listed are more solo-heavy too... In fact most guitarists in metal are tons better players than all those posers that think they can play by playing a blues scale really slow. No offense to the bands you listed since I like all of them, I'd just say that most rock or pop or whatever you listen to is more identical than metal. It's a really diverse music genre, you really can't write all of it off as bad.

Don't really know how to convince you, just give it a chance, dig deeper than Necrophagist or Cynic or whatever you've heard, there's an entire world of music you might be missing out on.

On topic though I believe Black Sabbath are one of the pioneers of what is called traditional doom metal today, so yes. They are metal.

Got your nick from the band? I just got their ep from 1993.

Anyway i agree with there being currently allot of ****ty technical soulless death metal and there currently being lots of ****ty "brutal" death metal that isnt really that brutal but just has 1 speed.

Neither is as bad as the current metalcore and deathcore fads nor groove metal 15 years back. However in the end there are some gems in this genre that are awesome. Sometimes its enjoyable to listen to good soulless music because they have nice riffs: spawn of possession but in the end the best death metal is the non overly sterile by necrophagist popularised tech death.


also about several bands playing in the same speed and tone: ever heard about genres? Most pop and rock goes at the same speed aswell and for key well, loads and loads of music just come in e. Mood is a stupid thing to talk about because i can say that all metalcore is whiney in mood, all pop is happy in mood and we wont get any futher. Thrash metal is partly created by its agressive(not angry learn the difference) mood. Its hard to still play thrash while playing in a sad mood because of its base on being riffy.

ofcourse you can chose to ignore all my comments as im wearing a obituary shirt right now.

also i expected this thread to make me rage, no such thing yet.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

But I was already correct in stating that metal is immature and, basically, a joke genre, that real musicians snicker at

what makes a real musician a real musician? Just because he plays something that isnt riff based? This is a completely idiotic statement that could have been made by andy are you andy but with a nick change?

Originally Posted by Tomcat_ha

what makes a real musician a real musician? Just because he plays something that isnt riff based? This is a completely idiotic statement that could have been made by andy are you andy but with a nick change?

I don't know who andy is, but if he agrees that metal is a prank started twenty years ago, then he can't be all that bad

And "real musician" is a broad term, probably impossible to define. I can however, tell you what it's not: someone who plays metal

Originally Posted by Tomcat_ha

Got your nick from the band? I just got their ep from 1993.

Anyway i agree with there being currently allot of ****ty technical soulless death metal and there currently being lots of ****ty "brutal" death metal that isnt really that brutal but just has 1 speed.

Neither is as bad as the current metalcore and deathcore fads nor groove metal 15 years back. However in the end there are some gems in this genre that are awesome. Sometimes its enjoyable to listen to good soulless music because they have nice riffs: spawn of possession but in the end the best death metal is the non overly sterile by necrophagist popularised tech death.


also about several bands playing in the same speed and tone: ever heard about genres? Most pop and rock goes at the same speed aswell and for key well, loads and loads of music just come in e. Mood is a stupid thing to talk about because i can say that all metalcore is whiney in mood, all pop is happy in mood and we wont get any futher. Thrash metal is partly created by its agressive(not angry learn the difference) mood. Its hard to still play thrash while playing in a sad mood because of its base on being riffy.

ofcourse you can chose to ignore all my comments as im wearing a obituary shirt right now.

also i expected this thread to make me rage, no such thing yet.

Yeah, I love Antropomorphia, Necromantic Love Songs is classic death metal. I also agree that just like any other genre there exists **** that everyone likes and then there's masterpieces that no one's heard of unfortunately, and most of the real metal lies in the latter.

Kind of unrelated, but what Obituary shirt are you wearing? I have a World Demise (not as bad as people say it is) shirt, and I almost got a Cause of Death shirt, but it ran out of stock right after I ordered it, I was so pissed off, I was the most excited to get that.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

But I was already correct in stating that metal is immature and, basically, a joke genre, that real musicians snicker at

Well, what the do you listen to then? Unless it's jazz or classical or post-rock or something, genres which I respect highly, I can guarantee it's going to be "immature" and something "real musicians snicker at". If you give it a serious chance you'll find metal can be very intelligent.

There's no such thing as a 'real musician'.

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

Well, what the do you listen to then? Unless it's jazz or classical or post-rock or something, genres which I respect highly, I can guarantee it's going to be "immature" and something "real musicians snicker at". If you give it a serious chance you'll find metal can be very intelligent.

I listen to all music because frolicking around one genre is retarded

If it's good, it's good

If it's bad, it's bad

Most of what I'm told falls into the genre of metal is bad

Therefore, all metal is bad, obviously

It's quite simple really

im wearing a the end complete shirt.

dangercheetah: metal started back in 1970 which is closer to 40 years ago. Try again. I wont take any of your comments seriously untill you say: i find metal stupid because of:

also intelligence doesnt make a genre good. What makes a genre good is people making stuff because they feel like it not for money or popularity and even then you get stupid stuff. In the end there are no good genres. Just genres that are less good and are instead watered down piss. (see most pop or and modern punk)

Originally Posted by ifm2181

There's no such thing as a 'real musician'.

Exactly. No one can say whether or not a musician is good or bad.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

I listen to all music because frolicking around one genre is retarded

If it's good, it's good

If it's bad, it's bad

Most of what I'm told falls into the genre of metal is bad

Therefore, all metal is bad, obviously

It's quite simple really

Metal is so diverse, have you listened to every single sub-genre of it there is? I don't really think so.

Originally Posted by Tomcat_ha

Just genres that are less good and are instead watered down piss.

I am absolutely amazed at the irony here

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

Exactly. No one can say whether or not a musician is good or bad.

No, I mean that all musicians are hollow, terrible people, and thus, unreal.

Originally Posted by ifm2181

No, I mean that all musicians are hollow, terrible people, and thus, unreal.

I don't get it. Was this a joke?

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

I don't get it. Was this a joke?

SOMEONE ON ZU DOESN'T GET A JOKE?

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

SOMEONE ON ZU DOESN'T GET A JOKE?

can you stop avoiding the question and actually pin down why you dont like metal instead of going METALSUXKTHXBYE?

A muscian = someone who can play music = everyone who can play a instrument.

Originally Posted by Tomcat_ha

can you stop avoiding the question and actually pin down why you dont like metal instead of going METALSUXKTHXBYE?

A muscian = someone who can play music = everyone who can play a instrument.

I already posted it in this thread. If you look for it I'm sure you'll find it

Just saying i dont find metal emotional doesnt qualify, try again. Commenting about emotions in music quickly descends into what people think qualifies as emotional. Some people will find something happy, happy others will find it cheesy and gay others will find it standard stereotypical and emotionless.

Anyway saying stuff like doom metal isnt emotional is kind of silly. It has a clear dark and sad atmosphere. If you cant hear that, you have trouble hearing moods in music. If you want to listened to actual sterile and moodless metal go try some braindrill (whom do suck) or something like that.

Also about techniques used in metal: those vary too much to make a single judgement about and often use standard preexisting techniques but occaisonally modified and in the end its usually not technique that defines mood but the sound of the production and as often in metal the kind of distorted guitar sound you get out of your speakers.

What about you point out some of the stuff you listened and dislike and point out why you dont like it.

Naw, man, you just don't get it. I don't really care about genre. I told you to read the thread so you could see where I said that I didn't really care. I'm just ****ing with you and you kids are too damned zealous about your <3fav genre<3 to notice

Maybe if you stopped caring so much about what people think about your crappy music nobody cares about you'd enjoy music more

Im not being zealous, im trying to find out where you are saying you dont like metal and all you have clearly said is that you find it lacking in emotions.

also here too lighten the mood a riddle:
the average metal fan is?

Tasteless

Stop finding excuses to answer my questions and answer them so we can get a decent discussion thread going on in here for once.

and the answer is 35 and has 2 children.(if you ever went to a metal concert you know this is true)

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Metal is unemotional. It's currently the ****tiest genre of music. It's worse than rap and country these days because there aren't even any remotely good metal bands left. The majority of metal bands focus on technical playing over emotional playing, so if by some miracle there happens to be a part in a metal song that isn't guitar masturbation, the entire song will likely make up for it.

If there ever was any emotional metal, it was in the 80s. It's stuff like Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Iced Earth, pioneers who actually had appreciation for music.

Since then there's been a shift to just play everything heavier. The riffs are heavier, multiple guitar solos are placed randomly through the song and are often not remotely similar to the basic melody. However seeing as how melody has pretty much been absent in Metal in the last 10 years, I guess that's understandable. Current Metal Heads don't appreciate music much at all. They don't care about anything else in a song unless there's random finger tap solo.

So much metal is near identical these days, because there's no difference between one pig squealer or the other. All they do is have the drummer hit 16 note double bass the entire song as he randomly hits everything on the drum set as fast as he can. There are two guitarists, one to play the main riff and the other to play random **** including the out of nowhere "Look how skilled I am" guitar solos.

I could go on and on, I really hate Metal. D:

Of course this "Nu-Metal" is ****. With their Drop C tuning that sounds "Br00tal" and only using one finger to slide around the neck. But a lot of metal from the mid-'90s back has more quality to it. But, in no way is any form of Rap or R&B better than today's metal, as bad as these Nu-metal bands are. It actually takes talent to play a guitar or drums than it is to rhyme with a beat-box in the background.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

But I was already correct in stating that metal is immature and, basically, a joke genre, that real musicians snicker at

Really? It takes some damn good talent to do stuff like this, not to mention that the lyrics are pretty meaningful too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT8n3r2WnkA

or maybe this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqNXrkvmk_o

You think any schmuck with a guitar could easily play those songs? Some of the best musicians in Rock are metal guitarists.
Sorry for the double-post, but I just had too.