Black Sabbath: Metal or Not?

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with a music fan about their favorite music, that someone is always accused of being ignorant

Isn't is possible

Somehow

Someway

That that someone actually listened to that music, formed a legitimate opinion, and instead of pointlessly arguing with someone who will never agree with him anyway, figure its best to just inform music fanatic of his opinion in a hilarious, mostly non serious way instead of getting in a pissing contest?

Just maybe?

Yes.


And you make it kind of hard when you stereo type an entire genre, and say things like:

****ty and absolutely brainless drivel that isn't suitable for entertaining anyone above the age of 15

Can't a nigga drop some hyperbole?

Edit Actually I keep forgetting I'm not among locals. I'm so used to being around people who understand my sense of humor who don't get all bent out of shape when I call them ****heads or whatever that when I'm in new waters I forget to tone down my brilliance

So, yeah my bad. I don't think ALL metal is awful, clearly, I mentioned I have a lot of personal favorites. But pretty much everything Gatsby defined I agree with, within the realm of my experience. Technicality over soul, etc. etc.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with a music fan about their favorite music, that someone is always accused of being ignorant

Isn't is possible

Somehow

Someway

That that someone actually listened to that music, formed a legitimate opinion, and instead of pointlessly arguing with someone who will never agree with him anyway, figure its best to just inform music fanatic of his opinion in a hilarious, mostly non serious way instead of getting in a pissing contest?

Just maybe?

Its only when people sport these giant hate-ons for music where I get kind of...irritated. Criticism is fine, ignorant or otherwise (though of course an opinion formulated out of ignorance isn't going to get much attention), but the way it is done is something else. Your "hilarious, mostly non serious way" actually comes off like you sounding like a douche. Which may be what you are going for, maybe that is funny to some.

I'd rather discuss music in a fashion that is far more positive and allows for back and forth. Maybe you think it is pointless, but if I can make another person who isn't a fan of a genre or band or whatever at least understand what I enjoy about it, while they do the opposite...I'm just a big fan of dialogues, they don't need to necessarily resolve anything. And it's hard to have a dialogue with a person who is completely cut-off from having one.

Basically, being a rabidly anti-something is just as bad as being a 'fanboy' for the same something.

Yes, nolan, I have listened to metal. Used to be a fan as a kid. Yes, I am appalled at what I used to listen to, though I still take nostalgia trips every now and again for particular gems that remain in my ipod

However I still recognize that these gems, close to my heart as they are, are pure and utter ****

Fair enough.

Right right, I know. Normally I'd agree, but I am so disenfranchised with the music industry that I really can't take any genre seriously anymore

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Can't a nigga drop some hyperbole?

Edit Actually I keep forgetting I'm not among locals. I'm so used to being around people who understand my sense of humor who don't get all bent out of shape when I call them ****heads or whatever that when I'm in new waters I forget to tone down my brilliance

It's not always easy to pick up on sarcastic jokes over text.

So, yeah my bad. I don't think ALL metal is awful, clearly, I mentioned I have a lot of personal favorites. But pretty much everything Gatsby defined I agree with, within the realm of my experience. Technicality over soul, etc. etc.

Alrighty then.

Right right, I know. Normally I'd agree, but I am so disenfranchised with the music industry that I really can't take any genre seriously anymore

What about older stuff?

Originally Posted by Koulatio

It's not always easy to pick up on sarcastic jokes over text.

You learn

Originally Posted by Koulatio

What about older stuff?

Most of it is ****, just like music being produced now is ****. However, we only remember the minority, being good music. That's why ten years from now, we will only remember the minority being produced now

The only problem is, being that we are in the right now... er, right now, we don't have the luxury of time filtering the **** for us. Sifting through bad music to find the good music is a strenuous task

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

The only problem is, being that we are in the right now... er, right now, we don't have the luxury of time filtering the **** for us. Sifting through bad music to find the good music is a strenuous task

EDIT: Oops, forgot my post....


It is worth it though when you finally find something worth listening to.

Originally Posted by Koulatio

EDIT: Oops, forgot my post....


It is worth it though when you finally find something worth listening to.

Good question. A lot of times, no. When I do finally hear something I like, I soon realize that it's not really great, persay, just better than the awful bull**** I had been listening to previously

But every so often something catches my ear that makes me **** myself. It happens, and I'm not against it.

But then again, you shouldn't listen to me. I've been told I have horrible taste in music

Lol it doesn't seem like you're much of a music fan.

I'm just judgemental. I can find something wrong with everything, and I enjoy doing so. Even with music I love

Although it's especially easy with music I hate

I COME BACK TO THIS THREAD AND IT ISN'T ABOUT THE TALKING HEADS YET I DONT EVEN

Probably because this thread is about Black Sabbath, not Talking Heads.

Make a thread on them if you want to talk about them.

My ska band went on tour in June. Our first Saturday, we played at some huge regional metal festival. 10 stages for twelve hours full of ****ty metal bands. We ended up running sound for two stages because the sound guy and runners were too lazy and didn't bother showing up. There were times where you could stand at a point where you could clearly hear two bands at once and they were almost identical in tempo, key and mood. It made me sick to my stomach.

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Metal is unemotional. It's currently the ****tiest genre of music. It's worse than rap and country these days because there aren't even any remotely good metal bands left. The majority of metal bands focus on technical playing over emotional playing, so if by some miracle there happens to be a part in a metal song that isn't guitar masturbation, the entire song will likely make up for it.

If there ever was any emotional metal, it was in the 80s. It's stuff like Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Iced Earth, pioneers who actually had appreciation for music.

Since then there's been a shift to just play everything heavier. The riffs are heavier, multiple guitar solos are placed randomly through the song and are often not remotely similar to the basic melody. However seeing as how melody has pretty much been absent in Metal in the last 10 years, I guess that's understandable. Current Metal Heads don't appreciate music much at all. They don't care about anything else in a song unless there's random finger tap solo.

So much metal is near identical these days, because there's no difference between one pig squealer or the other. All they do is have the drummer hit 16 note double bass the entire song as he randomly hits everything on the drum set as fast as he can. There are two guitarists, one to play the main riff and the other to play random **** including the out of nowhere "Look how skilled I am" guitar solos.

I could go on and on, I really hate Metal. D:

This was perhaps the stupidest post ive seen in a long time. Good job genius. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Florina Belmont

This was perhaps the stupidest post ive seen in a long time.

... because?

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

... because?

Isn't it kind of obvious? You talked about metal being unemotional and then compared every single band in a very wide genre of music to soulless technical death metal. Sounds like you just listened to Brain Drill and established that was the only metal band ever in existence. Everyone has different ways of expressing their emotions, and playing aggressive music is a great way of doing that. "Metal bands play soulless music" doesn't really make sense either, if it sounds great it feels great therefore it has a soul. It's really up to the musician to put a little groove into the song too, so maybe you're just listening to the wrong bands. More melodic metal bands tend to have a lot of what you call soul too. Melodic death metal especially, take Intestine Baalism as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E50EmhX7Rho

You may not like it which is fine, but it's not "soulless", far from it. I really don't know what to say to your music appreciation thing though, because every single band I've ever listened to has had appreciation for music. In a different sense than the very elegant melodies that Iced Earth play for example, yes, but still very beautiful in their own sense. I had a good laugh at your melody statement too, metal is among the more melodic genres I've ever heard.

I don't really know what you mean by the finger tap solo thing, because I almost never hear tapping in metal, I would say the bands you listed are more solo-heavy too... In fact most guitarists in metal are tons better players than all those posers that think they can play by playing a blues scale really slow. No offense to the bands you listed since I like all of them, I'd just say that most rock or pop or whatever you listen to is more identical than metal. It's a really diverse music genre, you really can't write all of it off as bad.

Don't really know how to convince you, just give it a chance, dig deeper than Necrophagist or Cynic or whatever you've heard, there's an entire world of music you might be missing out on.

On topic though I believe Black Sabbath are one of the pioneers of what is called traditional doom metal today, so yes. They are metal.

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

Isn't it kind of obvious? You talked about metal being unemotional and then compared every single band in a very wide genre of music to soulless technical death metal. Sounds like you just listened to Brain Drill and established that was the only metal band ever in existence. Everyone has different ways of expressing their emotions, and playing aggressive music is a great way of doing that. "Metal bands play soulless music" doesn't really make sense either, if it sounds great it feels great therefore it has a soul. It's really up to the musician to put a little groove into the song too, so maybe you're just listening to the wrong bands. More melodic metal bands tend to have a lot of what you call soul too. Melodic death metal especially, take Intestine Baalism as an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E50EmhX7Rho

You may not like it which is fine, but it's not "soulless", far from it. I really don't know what to say to your music appreciation thing though, because every single band I've ever listened to has had appreciation for music. In a different sense than the very elegant melodies that Iced Earth play for example, yes, but still very beautiful in their own sense. I had a good laugh at your melody statement too, metal is among the more melodic genres I've ever heard.

I don't really know what you mean by the finger tap solo thing, because I almost never hear tapping in metal, I would say the bands you listed are more solo-heavy too... In fact most guitarists in metal are tons better players than all those posers that think they can play by playing a blues scale really slow. No offense to the bands you listed since I like all of them, I'd just say that most rock or pop or whatever you listen to is more identical than metal. It's a really diverse music genre, you really can't write all of it off as bad.

Don't really know how to convince you, just give it a chance, dig deeper than Necrophagist or Cynic or whatever you've heard, there's an entire world of music you might be missing out on.

On topic though I believe Black Sabbath are one of the pioneers of what is called traditional doom metal today, so yes. They are metal.

Hate to break it to ya mac but I ain't Gatsby. Direct your butthurt somewhere else

Funnily enough, this is a debate that the sax board I used to go to always had. Technique does not mean talent or emotion. Technique means patience. It means sitting in the practice room grinding the same six notes a thousand times if that's what it takes to get it right. Emotion is something else entirely.

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Hate to break it to ya mac but I ain't Gatsby. Direct your butthurt somewhere else

You formed an opinion on an entire music genre based on prejudice alone, I'm pretty sure your opinion needed some correcting.

Originally Posted by Antropomorphia

You formed an opinion on an entire music genre based on prejudice alone, I'm pretty sure your opinion needed some correcting.

But I was already correct in stating that metal is immature and, basically, a joke genre, that real musicians snicker at