Black Sabbath: Metal or Not?

Originally Posted by Koulatio

You did math and used a ruler and a compass to figure it out eh? Well, whatever works, I suppose.

Well, if they were once metal, and kept doing the same type of music, they should still be considered metal.

If you never considered them metal, then you wouldn't be contradicting yourself. In which case, cool, and we're all good.

That's fine assuming art isn't alive, and it doesn't evolve; the definition of metal has evolved beyond the static nature of Black Sabbath. I have used one of Evan's protractors and seen that this is correct.

Originally Posted by p0wnn00b

Black Sabbath were one of the pioneers of Metal, along with Hendrix, Cream, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. I consider those bands Proto-Metal. Though I must admit, those said bands have more of a bluesy feel to them

Led Zeppelin, isn't any kind of metal at all. Neither is Hendrix. They didn't pioneer it, Hendrix pioneered guitar playing on a new emotional and technical level. Emotion is completely absent in the majority of metal guitar. Please leave the internet.

Originally Posted by ifm2181

That's fine assuming art isn't alive, and it doesn't evolve; the definition of metal has evolved beyond the static nature of Black Sabbath. I have used one of Evan's protractors and seen that this is correct.

Alright, alright, but even so, it should still be considered some form of metal even if the main stream metal has evolved since then.

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Led Zeppelin, isn't any kind of metal at all. Neither is Hendrix. They didn't pioneer it, Hendrix pioneered guitar playing on a new emotional and technical level. Emotion is completely absent in the majority of metal guitar. Please leave the internet.

This is a lie and a calumnious slander. All metal guitar is fueled by RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE. Science fact.

The only people that I've come across that claim that they aren't metal have been Hipster fags, saying that they "tried to be metal but weren't".

Black Sabbath is heavy metal. Newer bands that are clearly heavier have variations such as death metal, nu metal, -core, etc.

Originally Posted by CookieConjurer

This is a lie and a calumnious slander. All metal guitar is fueled by RRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE. Science fact.

No, it's fueled by the tears of anybody who appreciates music theory and based only on what sounds cool.

Originally Posted by Gatsby

No, it's fueled by the tears of anybody who appreciates music theory and based only on what sounds cool.

Alternating between I and V and singing really loudly about hell and demons?

Sounds like Mozart's Don Giovanni to me. =[

Originally Posted by Spoonman

The only people that I've come across that claim that they aren't metal have been Hipster fags, saying that they "tried to be metal but weren't".

Black Sabbath is heavy metal. Newer bands that are clearly heavier have variations such as death metal, nu metal, -core, etc.

+1
Seriously.

Originally Posted by Gatsby

Led Zeppelin, isn't any kind of metal at all. Neither is Hendrix. They didn't pioneer it, Hendrix pioneered guitar playing on a new emotional and technical level. Emotion is completely absent in the majority of metal guitar. Please leave the internet.

Led Zeppelin and Hendrix added heavy distortion to electric guitar riffs and made guitar work more technical and progressive. And Metal is unemotional? What are you, high??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4q0Xx-u1Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lljBSQdlvY

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Saying that metal is unemotional is so ****ing stereotypical, I'm tired of hearing it.

I've never even heard it before, so it can't be very true (not that i would think that anyway.)

Originally Posted by p0wnn00b

Led Zeppelin and Hendrix added heavy distortion to electric guitar riffs and made guitar work more technical and progressive. And Metal is unemotional? What are you, high??





I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Saying that metal is unemotional is so ****ing stereotypical, I'm tired of hearing it.

Metal is unemotional. It's currently the ****tiest genre of music. It's worse than rap and country these days because there aren't even any remotely good metal bands left. The majority of metal bands focus on technical playing over emotional playing, so if by some miracle there happens to be a part in a metal song that isn't guitar masturbation, the entire song will likely make up for it.

If there ever was any emotional metal, it was in the 80s. It's stuff like Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Iced Earth, pioneers who actually had appreciation for music.

Since then there's been a shift to just play everything heavier. The riffs are heavier, multiple guitar solos are placed randomly through the song and are often not remotely similar to the basic melody. However seeing as how melody has pretty much been absent in Metal in the last 10 years, I guess that's understandable. Current Metal Heads don't appreciate music much at all. They don't care about anything else in a song unless there's random finger tap solo.

So much metal is near identical these days, because there's no difference between one pig squealer or the other. All they do is have the drummer hit 16 note double bass the entire song as he randomly hits everything on the drum set as fast as he can. There are two guitarists, one to play the main riff and the other to play random **** including the out of nowhere "Look how skilled I am" guitar solos.

I could go on and on, I really hate Metal. D:

Originally Posted by p0wnn00b

Saying that metal is unemotional is so ****ing stereotypical, I'm tired of hearing it.

There's a reason you keep hearing it

Gatsby's right, your wrong, go buy yourself a Talking Heads record.

Originally Posted by Stampertje

Talking Heads

Oh, oh HELL yeah. Now we're talkin'

I am so happy, because I am finally more informed about some modern metal than someone else! Thank you thread!

tip: If you make a massive generalization about a genre of music in a certain era, you will be proven wrong 99% of the time. Because there is absolutely no way that you can have heard every metal band, and there is absolutely no way that any generalization will apply to every metal band operating.

Fine, how about this: All metal THAT I HAVE HEARD SINCE I CAN'T POSSIBLE BE AWARE OF ALL THINGS EVER is ****ty and absolutely brainless drivel that isn't suitable for entertaining anyone above the age of 15

Also you can't deny the Talking Heads are the bomb.com

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Fine, how about this: All metal THAT I HAVE HEARD SINCE I CAN'T POSSIBLE BE AWARE OF ALL THINGS EVER is ****ty and absolutely brainless drivel that isn't suitable for entertaining anyone above the age of 15

Also you can't deny the Talking Heads are the bomb.com

You're still making a generalization by saying it isn't suitable for anyone above 15

No, I'm pretty sure that part is science fact

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

Fine, how about this: All metal THAT I HAVE HEARD SINCE I CAN'T POSSIBLE BE AWARE OF ALL THINGS EVER is ****ty and absolutely brainless drivel that isn't suitable for entertaining anyone above the age of 15

Well, sure if you want to continue to be abrasive about it.

You could, I don't know, show some humility in the fact that you are talking about a genre that you probably don't know much about. Though that is me making the assumption that you've actually not listened to very much metal.

Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with a music fan about their favorite music, that someone is always accused of being ignorant

Isn't is possible

Somehow

Someway

That that someone actually listened to that music, formed a legitimate opinion, and instead of pointlessly arguing with someone who will never agree with him anyway, figure its best to just inform music fanatic of his opinion in a hilarious, mostly non serious way instead of getting in a pissing contest?

Just maybe?

Yes, nolan, I have listened to metal. Used to be a fan as a kid. Yes, I am appalled at what I used to listen to, though I still take nostalgia trips every now and again for particular gems that remain in my ipod

However I still recognize that these gems, close to my heart as they are, are pure and utter ****