How do you feel about Green Day?

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

I refuse to accept this argument. Joe Consumer is notorious for being a moron who will buy everything he's told

No, not buying. Enjoying.

People actually like the new album. They didn't just buy it because they have a raging fan-boner that can only be satisfied by throwing money away.
Granted, it's not for everyone (namely classic Green Day fans who just can't let go of the fact music has changed) but I am seeing more and more people pointing out the album in stores and saying "Thats actually a pretty good album."
People who have never even heard of Green Day (a rarity, apparently) are turning up the radio every time '21 Guns' comes on.

If thats not 'good music' then what is?

I can't say anything about the new album, I haven't listened to it yet. I'm really basing my opinion off of American Idiot, which was a travesty

I have been meaning to give the new one a listen, but as stated I have never been a big fan of Green Day, or punk/sorta-punk to begin with, so my interest is low

In the meantime, I won't go any further in my criticism of the band other than **** GREEN DAY THEY SUCK WAAGH

Edit also "good" music is particular to each person, babe. I'm sure I listen to some music that I consider to be goddamn great that would make you claw out your ears

Originally Posted by dangercheetah

In the meantime, I won't go any further in my criticism of the band other than **** GREEN DAY THEY SUCK WAAGH

X3

Fair enough, I guess.

If you didn't like American Idiot, then society dictates you will not like the new one.
Apparently, they are simmilar...but I really don't think so.
No nine minute epics what-so-ever :<

Edit for an Edit: Yes, good music is particular to each person, everyone is entitled to enjoy whatever music they want. It's just what's on the radio is 'officially' good music, aparrently.
Hunk of bullcrap, I know, but who am I to judge? Apparently 'Bonkers' is the messiah.

Yeah I had heard that they were similar. I am frowning over it

Sorry. Green Day's not Punk. They give Punk a bad name. Their a crap alt-rock band. Like Hinder.

Bands like Hinder are a little harder than the stuff Greenday produces, I'd call that douche-rock. Like Nickelback

Greenday is probably more pop than anything else. They tried to be punk back in the day, but even that was made out of cold, emotionless synthetic TERROR

While reading this topic I came across this:

How many bands and artists do you listen to that have riffs and such that are not the same thing repeating, with the only major differences being solos and the lyrics? Sure, Dream Theater plays music that is more complex than other bands, but you can single out a main riff in just about all of their songs.

One word: Octivarium

Part 1
part 2
Part 3

Also, I would like to point out that the first post talked about the drummer from Green Day being good. To read that...and to read that and than to read someone comparing Green Day to Dream Theater....it almost made me vomit.

Mike Portnoy from Dream Theather has the technique, style, and creativity of a god. The drummer from Green Day plays the same basic snare throughout the piece. Not to mention the fact that Mike Portnoy is the main lyricist, who, might I say, writes lyrics that actually make sense. Rather than a song about someone named Jimmy who has a headache and therefore takes a narcotic.

As a percutionist myself, I can tell you, that Green Day's drummer has the 'punk-drummer' syndrome. Fast paced basic snare throughout the song. Nothing new, nothing creative.

Octivarium is a good example on how they do not use a main riff. While listening to it I did not catch one glimpse of a main riff. Maybe a concept...but definitely not a riff. Sadly, it seems Green Day wrote one song, and somehow managed to break it up into several different songs.

Furhter more, if they suck at making music, why do people keep lapping it up?

Is not the question....Why do YOU keep lapping it up?

No, not buying. Enjoying.

People actually like the new album. They didn't just buy it because they have a raging fan-boner that can only be satisfied by throwing money away.
Granted, it's not for everyone (namely classic Green Day fans who just can't let go of the fact music has changed) but I am seeing more and more people pointing out the album in stores and saying "Thats actually a pretty good album."
People who have never even heard of Green Day (a rarity, apparently) are turning up the radio every time '21 Guns' comes on.

If thats not 'good music' then what is?

There is a thing of having bad taste in music. It's also a question why people would rather buy Britney Spears than to listen to say....Mozart. Good music is not rated by how many people like it. Here's an analogy:

Let's say two people ran for president. One had all the merit that a president should have. That one president had everything it took to run the country. Now...the second person, came from nowhere and didn't know jack-squat. But let's say he was popular. And in the end everyone ended up voting for the second person. Does that make him good? No...it makes him popular.

Sure music is liked by other's. And good is held by the beholder. But if I were to clang two rocks together, and make a song about it, and someone liked it. Would that be considered good? But who am I to say?

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f you didn't like American Idiot, then society dictates you will not like the new one.
Apparently, they are simmilar...but I really don't think so.
No nine minute epics what-so-ever :<

Sadly Green Day's "nine minute epic" is just several different songs labeled as one song. Their attempt at trying to be 'cool'.

I'd consider all of American Idiot to be incredible. Ever heard Jesus of Suburbia?

Yes I have. Heard of repetitive? Oh...and cliche' would be a word.

The song speaks of what? Famous people considering that they are gods. That drugs are where it's at. That people are stupid listening to the media. Same old crap.

And I love how they tried to throw F-bombs here and there to make it seem more emotional and meaningful. Nah, just makes you sound like you couldn't find a better way to express yourself.

By the time I reached them saying "CITY OF THE DEAD HEY!" I was like...they going to change? Surely enough they changed their riff into a completely different song.

I stand by my idea that they wrote five different songs and simply fused them together and called it a nine minute epic. When in truth, it's not. A long song should always go back to where it began throughout the song that it associates the fact that it still is the same song. If not, than you're just annoying us by not breaking it up into tracks so that we can access it easier. That's all it is...is annoyance.

They didn't "evolve as a group of musicians" they figured out what sold the best and what made them most popular and started emulating that. Sorta like Avril Lavigne when she came down to the United states from Canada and made her transition from country to pop. It just sells better.

Some would call that 'selling out'. But I won't. I will just call it making your music marketable. Euphamisms FTW!!

I don't think Jesus of Suburbia or Give Me Novacaine are like what you're saying at all. Brain Stew, sure, but that's one hell of a riff.

I don't think it's fair to use Jesus of Suburbia as an example. It's not really one song. But rather five songs put together and labeled as one song.

Whilst I agree 'Know Your Enemy' is repetative, it actually pulls it off very well. As do many of the repetative Green Day tracks.

Do you know the enemy
Do you know your enemy
Well,gotta know the enemy

Almost laughed..

Pull it off well? I do not know anyone that can pull off repetition. It is exactly what it says it is. You might be able to pull off a catchy riff. However, to say they can pull off a song? Sorry.

Also, I'd just like to talk about the lyrics. They are great. Powerful, some might say, but I don't know about that. A lot of the time, they make no sense to me, but they sound great and can be quoted anywhere (Just look at some of the CR's and sigs in this thread).

Everyone is so full of ****
Born and raised by hypocrites
Hearts recycled but never saved
From the cradle to the grave
We are the kids of war and peace
From Anaheim to the middle east
We are the stories and disciples
Of the Jesus of suburbia
Land of make believe
That don't believe in me
Land of make believe
And I don't believe
And I don't care!
I don't care! [x4]

Some of them make sense. But if anything, they are cliché'.

Sure Billy has a unique voice. However, it never changes. Listen to each song. It sounds like he cannot change his key or his vocal technique. As if he is not really singing, but rather talking.

The bass plays simple riffs. I know bassists that play simple riffs, but at least make up for it in style. He does not have that.

And I finish with the drummer. That's some bland stuff going on there.

Also, I'd just like to talk about the lyrics. They are great. Powerful, some might say, but I don't know about that.

Powerful? Emotional, maybe, but I wouldn't call the lyrics powerful, especially compared to the plethora of other bands in the world.

I wouldn't even go so far as to call them emotional. Maybe like how a kid who cries for attention is being emotional

I love Green Day. They are my fave Rock band.

I love Green Day. They are my fave Rock band.

Originally Posted by Goober Dude

I love Green Day. They are my fave Rock band.

Sad.

Originally Posted by Andross

Powerful? Emotional, maybe, but I wouldn't call the lyrics powerful, especially compared to the plethora of other bands in the world.

Read the post properly. I don't really agree that the lyrics are powerful, I just think they are great :/

Originally Posted by _FTW_

Is not the question....Why do YOU keep lapping it up?

Yes, because I am the only person buying their CD's. Yep, over 14 million copies of American Idiot just sitting in my room.

There is a thing of having bad taste in music. It's also a question why people would rather buy Britney Spears than to listen to say....Mozart. Good music is not rated by how many people like it. Here's an analogy:

Let's say two people ran for president. One had all the merit that a president should have. That one president had everything it took to run the country. Now...the second person, came from nowhere and didn't know jack-squat. But let's say he was popular. And in the end everyone ended up voting for the second person. Does that make him good? No...it makes him popular.

Sure music is liked by other's. And good is held by the beholder. But if I were to clang two rocks together, and make a song about it, and someone liked it. Would that be considered good? But who am I to say?

Okay, my wording was very off. Popular music does sound a lot more fitting than 'good' music.
But that drags up a whole mess of opinions. Here's an analogy:

Lets say two people where listening to the radio, and, oh, lets say Chuck Berry comes on. Now, person 1 decides to turn it up and bops along to it, person 2 looks at person 1 with disgust and asks
"How can you listen to that crap?"
Person 1 then replies
"Well, I think it's good"
Person 1 then gets thrown out the car because his opinion upsets person 2, but thats a whole different story.

Sadly Green Day's "nine minute epic" is just several different songs labeled as one song. Their attempt at trying to be 'cool'

Still doesn't change the fact it's nine minutes long. Besides, the track listings don't have it pegged as one song, they have it in parts. Example:

"Homecoming" –

* I. The Death of St. Jimmy
* II. East 12th St.
* III. Nobody Likes You
* IV. Rock and Roll Girlfriend
* V. We're Coming Home Again

As for the "Trying to be cool" comment...el oh el.

Some would call that 'selling out'. But I won't. I will just call it making your music marketable. Euphamisms FTW!!

The prospect of 'selling out' has always amused me somewhat.

They have to stay with the times unless they want to get left behind. Sure, they could have stuck with their old style, but that would not be in the best intrest of the record company. Therefore instead of abandoning something they love for the sake of pride, they carried on.
To be honest, I think it's paid off quite well *points to sales figures*

Almost laughed..

Pull it off well? I do not know anyone that can pull off repetition. It is exactly what it says it is. You might be able to pull off a catchy riff. However, to say they can pull off a song? Sorry.

Well, again, opinion.
I find it a very good song to run/jog to, mainly because of the energy in some of the words and the repetative beat and tune.

Some of them make sense. But if anything, they are cliché'.

Whats wrong with cliché? It makes for quite good lyrics. Sure, they sound meaningful, but on closer inspection they are not. But oh well, they could be spouting some crap about girlfriends or porn.

Sure Billy has a unique voice. However, it never changes. Listen to each song. It sounds like he cannot change his key or his vocal technique. As if he is not really singing, but rather talking.

You are aware the genre of music they play by does not require the most amazing vocals. As long as they sound somewhat decent and not like someone is slamming a bunch of husky cats on a running bulldozer it should be fine.


You made some very good arguments and points in that post though, I applaud you

I'd send a bunch of songs proving that Billie doesn't sound the same in every song, but people must be sick of that.

Aside from that... not a whole lot of posts to reply to. Music elitism isn't worth bothering with, sorry gaiz.

Whenever I hear Green Day I think "420." >.<

Okay! That joke was pretty bad.

With me, I'm just not into Green Day.

Originally Posted by Alex

Aside from that... not a whole lot of posts to reply to. Music elitism isn't worth bothering with, sorry gaiz.

...

Bugger, why didn't I think of that!?

Ah, why not, I'll send a bunch of songs.

Waiting
Hitchin' A Ride
The Pedestrian
Are We The Waiting

Uhkay? Uhkay.

Originally Posted by Alex

I'd send a bunch of songs proving that Billie doesn't sound the same in every song, but people must be sick of that.

Aside from that... not a whole lot of posts to reply to. Music elitism isn't worth bothering with, sorry gaiz.

You're right, sharing opinions that are different than yours is a waste of time. Clearly if one doesn't like Green Day, they are music elitists

Since when does not liking ****ty music count as being an elitist?

Yes, because I am the only person buying their CD's. Yep, over 14 million copies of American Idiot just sitting in my room.

How many copies sold does not equal how good you are. Sure, many people will like you, but that's just because most of the population does not like listening to unique music but rather cliche'd music that has been done before.

Oh, and Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus sold a lot of cds as well. Must mean they are musically the best musicians ever.

Lets say two people where listening to the radio, and, oh, lets say Chuck Berry comes on. Now, person 1 decides to turn it up and bops along to it, person 2 looks at person 1 with disgust and asks
"How can you listen to that crap?"
Person 1 then replies
"Well, I think it's good"
Person 1 then gets thrown out the car because his opinion upsets person 2, but thats a whole different story.

I am not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to listen to music you like. I am just saying that musically and creatively they are not unique or complex in anyway possibly.

And they are definitely not lyrically complex.

Still doesn't change the fact it's nine minutes long. Besides, the track listings don't have it pegged as one song, they have it in parts. Example:

It's not a nine minute song, it's five songs attempting to be a nine minute long song.

And 'pegging' a song with parts (or movements) is normal. If you have ever heard symphonys play music, many songs are written with multiple movements. Each movement is different. But their is always a sound that flows within them that connects them, and in throughout the song there is a reaccuring point that they go back to to link the movements together.

Dream Theater wrote a 42 minute long song with 8 movements. But throughout all of them there is a reaccuring sound. And therefore makes it one song.

They have to stay with the times unless they want to get left behind. Sure, they could have stuck with their old style, but that would not be in the best intrest of the record company. Therefore instead of abandoning something they love for the sake of pride, they carried on.
To be honest, I think it's paid off quite well *points to sales figures*

Sure, but let's say that if for them to make money they would have to switch to playing banjos and singing crappy disco songs. Would you still listen to them than? Music comes before money. Shoot...Dream Theater was able to stay pretty underground and make tons of money. Hmm I wonder.

Whats wrong with cliché? It makes for quite good lyrics. Sure, they sound meaningful, but on closer inspection they are not. But oh well, they could be spouting some crap about girlfriends or porn.

It means that they are not unique in anyway. That they stole whole ideas rather than just being influenced. And sorry, but cliche' is bad. And if you agree that Green Day's lyrics are cliche', than their lyrics are bad.

You put lyrics in a song for it to have meaning.

But shoot, Dream Theater's instrumentals have more meaning than all Green Day's songs put together.

You are aware the genre of music they play by does not require the most amazing vocals. As long as they sound somewhat decent and not like someone is slamming a bunch of husky cats on a running bulldozer it should be fine.

Being terrible musically is a genre?


Oh and I'm not saying to be musically elite. I am saying just be unique. And sadly, Green Day is not unique.

I liked a few of their songs when I was a few years younger, but for some reason, I've come to dislike them. I'm not sure why to be honest.