Classic Rock

Originally Posted by Andy

CDs have... MP3s on them. So saying that a CD sounds better than MP3 would be saying a CD sounds better than itself. Your last sentence was either not in english, or in some sort of code language because I could not understand it. I know the word "subtle" but apart from that it was very confusing.

Me buying a CD would require serious recommendation from friends.

I always have to listen to at least a few songs from the album if I'm willing to buy it. I never go on recommendation alone because everyone's musical taste is different, no matter how many people may like a specific band or album.

However, I have been known to buy albums on impulse just because of a single track. I never buy 'best of' albums because then you always miss out on the awesome tracks that get left out and forgotten. I may have bought Alice Cooper's terrific "Love it to Death" album for "I'm Eighteen", but recently I've found myself listening to "Caught in a Dream" and "Long Way To Go" way more now that I have heard them.

I used to pirate music way back before the RIAA got all pissy about it. Now I actually buy albums because not only does it support the band, but it's also pretty rewarding to have something that you can physically hold in your hand and say you own. Sure, a lot of the money goes to artists who may own several multi-million dollar estates and fancy cars, but a portion of that money also goes to the vendor of those albums, and I'm a big proponent of stimulating the economy, especially given our current economic situation.

But this is a music thread, not an economics thread. So I'll stfu.

:P

Yeah, if i really like a band or artist, im willing to give them some money for what theyve done. As much as i think they dont need the huge amounts of money they get for what they do, i still like to have the CD as a hard copy, with the art etc rather than just some files on a computer that could get wiped if something ****ed up.

Originally Posted by The Unsung Hero

I always have to listen to at least a few songs from the album if I'm willing to buy it. I never go on recommendation alone because everyone's musical taste is different, no matter how many people may like a specific band or album.

However, I have been known to buy albums on impulse just because of a single track. I never buy 'best of' albums because then you always miss out on the awesome tracks that get left out and forgotten. I may have bought Alice Cooper's terrific "Love it to Death" album for "I'm Eighteen", but recently I've found myself listening to "Caught in a Dream" and "Long Way To Go" way more now that I have heard them.

I used to pirate music way back before the RIAA got all pissy about it. Now I actually buy albums because not only does it support the band, but it's also pretty rewarding to have something that you can physically hold in your hand and say you own. Sure, a lot of the money goes to artists who may own several multi-million dollar estates and fancy cars, but a portion of that money also goes to the vendor of those albums, and I'm a big proponent of stimulating the economy, especially given our current economic situation.

But this is a music thread, not an economics thread. So I'll stfu.

Well, like you said. They already have millions or billions of dollars. Why support them with fifteen dollars of your money. If you met them in real life and said "here, take 15$, because I like your music and I support your band!" they would probably just laugh at you.

And sure, our economy may be bad at the moment. But, in case you haven't noticed, in the history of this country, our economy has had a cycle of boom and bust. It's how capitalism works. And 15$ you spend on an album probably isn't very significant anyway.

Originally Posted by Andy

Well, like you said. They already have millions or billions of dollars. Why support them with fifteen dollars of your money. If you met them in real life and said "here, take 15$, because I like your music and I support your band!" they would probably just laugh at you.

And sure, our economy may be bad at the moment. But, in case you haven't noticed, in the history of this country, our economy has had a cycle of boom and bust. It's how capitalism works. And 15$ you spend on an album probably isn't very significant anyway.

At the same time as they might not deserve or need millions of dollars, surely they deserve something for what theyre doing? Theyre still spending time and effort on making the music that they do. And the pressure theyre put under can often have a huge effect on them. Think of all the musicians who have turned to drugs or drink and died from it, either that or suicide.

And would you feel happy going to a gig and not paying, knowing that the band were putting in a lot of effort on stage and you were giving them nothing in return. And take radiohead and how they allowed people to download their music for a voluntary amount. would you give them nothing, or maybe give them $5 dollars rather than 15?

Originally Posted by Andy

And sure, our economy may be bad at the moment. But, in case you haven't noticed, in the history of this country, our economy has had a cycle of boom and bust. It's how capitalism works. And 15$ you spend on an album probably isn't very significant anyway.

I don't know, things are looking very ugly for our economy right now. Houses are being forclosed on at a rate that hasn't been seen since the Great Depression. I hesitate to say were on the brink of a catastrophe, but all things considered, America isn't in a very good position right now, economically speaking.

Well, like you said. They already have millions or billions of dollars. Why support them with fifteen dollars of your money. If you met them in real life and said "here, take 15$, because I like your music and I support your band!" they would probably just laugh at you.

Oh sure, and I can totally agree with that. But consider this: There are probably billions of 'illegal' copies of music currently stored on computers the world over. Now, imagine if every single owner of these pirated properties had an epiphany and said "I'm going to go out and buy legitimate copies of this music!" Even if you slice the value of these tracks by half, you're talking about a tremendous volume of weath getting poured back into the economy. These artists don't just sit on their money, they usually find a way to put it to good, if extravagant, use. Not to mention the vendors of this music, like say Best Buy or Amazon, also put their share of the pie to good use as well. Money is the blood of a nation, and the more it circulates debt-free, the healthier an economy will be.

But enough of this! Chuck Berry, anyone? I'm in love with this man in totally nonsexual way.

:O

Originally Posted by Andy

CDs have... MP3s on them. So saying that a CD sounds better than MP3 would be saying a CD sounds better than itself. Your last sentence was either not in english, or in some sort of code language because I could not understand it. I know the word "subtle" but apart from that it was very confusing.

Me buying a CD would require serious recommendation from friends.

Or you really don't understand how music is recorded, or how ripping audio into mp3 works.

Now, while I am all for a discussion going a little off-topic, I will say that if you want to discuss the merits of buying music versus downloading it, or vice-versa, you are more than welcome to make a seperate thread on that subject. Or the current state of the US economy, though that wouldn't go in this section .

Hello! Classic Rock! Pwnsome. Anyway, my favorite classic rock song would have to be For Those About To Rock We Salute You by AC/DC.

Originally Posted by Andy

For those truly classical rock fans out there! Share your favorite songs.

Currently I'm obsessed with Heart and Scorpions. I haven't heard a song from any of them that I love. Their lyricists are amazing, their guitarists are on par with everything, and everything just clicks.

I also really like Led Zeppelin but not as much as Heart or Scorpions.

"Dream On" by Aerosmith and "Paint it Black" by The Rolling Stones are probably on my favorite songs of all time list.

Other honorable mentions that I really like are "Cover of the Rolling Stones" by Dr. Hook, "More than a Feeling" by Boston, "Pride and Joy" by Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Thunderstruck" by ACDC, and "Turn the Page" by Bob Segar.

Oh, and Tom Petty played really well at the Super Bowl this year.

I too like the Stones, Scorpions, and AC/DC.
Zepplein is cool, Kansas is cool
Stevie Ray Vaughn is cool, but wouldn't he fall under Blues?
Sabbath is cool.

You have to include Jimi, Clapton and Santana(his old stuff)

Aerosmith is overrated IMO as is Kiss.

Originally Posted by Andy

Not sarcasm at all really. I was just kind of finding it funny that basically, if it was written after 1990, it kind of sucks. It's sad and strange.

That's not 100% true of course, but just kind of a weird fact.

Most music has gone to hell though

Originally Posted by Andy

Of course, the classic rock era.

Who's Tony Iommi?

Subrosia, are you an amputee?

Tommy Iommi was the guitarist for Black Sabbath.

Originally Posted by HylianShroom

At the same time as they might not deserve or need millions of dollars, surely they deserve something for what theyre doing? Theyre still spending time and effort on making the music that they do. And the pressure theyre put under can often have a huge effect on them. Think of all the musicians who have turned to drugs or drink and died from it, either that or suicide.

LOL. Drugs and suicide. That's definitely due to illegal downloading.

Turning to drugs or suicide is totally YOUR fault no matter how you look at it.

And would you feel happy going to a gig and not paying, knowing that the band were putting in a lot of effort on stage and you were giving them nothing in return. And take radiohead and how they allowed people to download their music for a voluntary amount. would you give them nothing, or maybe give them $5 dollars rather than 15?

Artists make most of their money off of concerts. I don't remember the exact statistic, but the larger portion of their income comes from concerts.

Originally Posted by The Unsung Hero

I don't know, things are looking very ugly for our economy right now. Houses are being forclosed on at a rate that hasn't been seen since the Great Depression. I hesitate to say were on the brink of a catastrophe, but all things considered, America isn't in a very good position right now, economically speaking.

History speaks for itself.

Oh sure, and I can totally agree with that. But consider this: There are probably billions of 'illegal' copies of music currently stored on computers the world over. Now, imagine if every single owner of these pirated properties had an epiphany and said "I'm going to go out and buy legitimate copies of this music!" Even if you slice the value of these tracks by half, you're talking about a tremendous volume of weath getting poured back into the economy. These artists don't just sit on their money, they usually find a way to put it to good, if extravagant, use. Not to mention the vendors of this music, like say Best Buy or Amazon, also put their share of the pie to good use as well. Money is the blood of a nation, and the more it circulates debt-free, the healthier an economy will be.

Well, there will always be people "stealing" cough cough. And there will always be people buying music. Preaching one way or the other probably won't affect too much. But I suppose your right. It's not a horrible thing. But the occasional legit CD won't do much for the economy. Positive steps are never bad though. But that's why both downloading illegally and buying music are both not the worst/best thing.

But enough of this! Chuck Berry, anyone? I'm in love with this man in totally nonsexual way.

George Thoroughgood all the way.

I've never heard of Chuck Berry. *gasp*

Come on Galedeep, it wasn't too far off course. Maybe the whole economy thing was, but that's ended now (hopefully). Downloading and buying CDs is still somewhat related to the topic of music so it's no big deal.

Originally Posted by Andy

I've never heard of Chuck Berry. *gasp*

Blasphemy. One of the forerunners and pioneer of rock and roll.

Come on Galedeep, it wasn't too far off course. Maybe the whole economy thing was, but that's ended now (hopefully). Downloading and buying CDs is still somewhat related to the topic of music so it's no big deal.

It's about music, but the focus of this particular thread is on classic rock, and so it should, in a roundabout way, stick to that. It's fine by me to go off-topic a little ways for a little while, but I think its better for the discussion to isolate it into its own thread, because then more people will see it and be able to chime in, not just those who are a part of it now. All about promoting more discussion.

If it continues in this thread, I'll probably split off the posts into its own thread. Which isn't some evil threat, just a way to keep the focus of this thread and get a new thread with an interesting topic.

Originally Posted by Mike87

Tommy Iommi was the guitarist for Black Sabbath.

Tony Iommi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dont think so matey.

Originally Posted by Andy

CDs have... MP3s on them. So saying that a CD sounds better than MP3 would be saying a CD sounds better than itself. Your last sentence was either not in english, or in some sort of code language because I could not understand it. I know the word "subtle" but apart from that it was very confusing.

Me buying a CD would require serious recommendation from friends.

just for the record, cd's do not have MP3s on them.... well some do, but CD technology has been around since 1985, and MP3 didn't exist back then. MP3 cd's require a certain type of device to read them, which most CD players have nowadays, but it wasn't always like that.
MP3 CD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

with mp3, the data is compressed, making many of the detailed layers and subtleties found in classic rock and prog (which for the most part was recorded with analog equipment) harder to hear, and degrades the sound quality. classic rock/older music sounds better on a cd, or vinyl.

Originally Posted by HylianShroom

Tony Iommi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dont think so matey.

Ha my bad then I always thought it was Tommy since Ozzy cant speak a coherent sentence, it always sounded like Tommy.

Originally Posted by Galedeep

Blasphemy. One of the forerunners and pioneer of rock and roll.

Eh, I'll look into him.

It's about music, but the focus of this particular thread is on classic rock, and so it should, in a roundabout way, stick to that. It's fine by me to go off-topic a little ways for a little while, but I think its better for the discussion to isolate it into its own thread, because then more people will see it and be able to chime in, not just those who are a part of it now. All about promoting more discussion.

You gotta point, but I've always found that when taken to a new thread, it dies within a week, and it wasn't that prominent a discussion anyway, so it's fine by me if we just cut it off now.

Originally Posted by Margar

just for the record, cd's do not have MP3s on them.... well some do, but CD technology has been around since 1985, and MP3 didn't exist back then. MP3 cd's require a certain type of device to read them, which most CD players have nowadays, but it wasn't always like that.
MP3 CD - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right, they usually have WMAs or OGG or some other format, which are basically the same thing as MP3s. Every CD I've ever ripped was in MP3 format straight off of the disc.

with mp3, the data is compressed, making many of the detailed layers and subtleties found in classic rock and prog (which for the most part was recorded with analog equipment) harder to hear, and degrades the sound quality. classic rock/older music sounds better on a cd, or vinyl.

How do people pirate music? Well, they download a file from another user who ripped songs straight from his or her CD. Well, usually they download it from someone who downloaded it from someone who downloaded it from someone who downloaded it from someone who downloaded it from someone who downloaded it from someone who downloaded it from someone who ripped it from a CD. You get my point, no?

Originally Posted by Mike87

Ha my bad then I always thought it was Tommy since Ozzy cant speak a coherent sentence, it always sounded like Tommy.

Ozzy couldn't even order a Pizza unless he was singing.

Anyone up for some Barracuda? "You flying SO LOW into the weeds. And I BET you're gunna ambush meee!"

Originally Posted by Andy

Right, they usually have WMAs or OGG or some other format, which are basically the same thing as MP3s. Every CD I've ever ripped was in MP3 format straight off of the disc.

When you rip a CD you aren't ripping the tracks directly from the disc. 99% of the time, most people are converting them without even knowing it. Traditionally when you record a track and transfer it to CD, its converted from its original analogue form to PCM, which is, I believe, entirely lossless. When you rip a CD, the program you are using to rip it is converting it to whatever format you chose. mp3 being the most common choice, because its the most versatile and universal. But it is NOT lossless. Depending on what bitrate you rip it at, the audio will lose a certain amount of its quality, the lower the bitrate, the more quality loss.

There are lossless file types you can rip to, like WAV or FLAC, but mp3 is certainly not one of them.

Basically, a CD you buy in a store does NOT have mp3s on it, you are converting the tracks on to mp3 when you rip it. You could just as easily rip it to AAC (mp4) or WMA or something.

Hmm. Well the quality difference between playing the CD and playing the ripped tracks is completely negligible. I've listed to my dad's Beatles records at least twenty times. I've heard their songs on the radio at least fifty times. I've listened to his CDs of them at least twenty times. And when I rip the CDs onto my computer, I get no distinct difference. Other than the crackles and pops of the records, I can't tell a quality difference unless I strain my ears trying to hear them. When the gap in quality is that small, then there's not a problem anywhere.

When I insert a dragonforce CD and play it, it sounds great. When I rip said songs and play those, they sound exactly equal. Same with my Green Day CD. I just can't hear the difference.

I can't remember how exactly we got onto discussing CD quality. But Lynyrd Skynyrd is awesome.

Originally Posted by Andy

Hmm. Well the quality difference between playing the CD and playing the ripped tracks is completely negligible. I've listed to my dad's Beatles records at least twenty times. I've heard their songs on the radio at least fifty times. I've listened to his CDs of them at least twenty times. And when I rip the CDs onto my computer, I get no distinct difference. Other than the crackles and pops of the records, I can't tell a quality difference unless I strain my ears trying to hear them. When the gap in quality is that small, then there's not a problem anywhere.

When I insert a dragonforce CD and play it, it sounds great. When I rip said songs and play those, they sound exactly equal. Same with my Green Day CD. I just can't hear the difference.

I can't remember how exactly we got onto discussing CD quality. But Lynyrd Skynyrd is awesome.

well i guess it just depends on how picky your ears are. with music like steely dan, there are SO many layers and nuances entwined within, that I, personally, CAN tell the difference, especially on headphones or good speakers. some people don't notice the difference because what they are listening to isn't as complex or high sound quality to begin with so the difference is negligable.

SOOOOO-
skynyrd. YEAH! if you like them, check out The Outlaws. (green grass and high tides is a good starting point)

Eric Clapton and Peter Frampton are amazing, does anyone else like their stuff? "Layla" is extremely famous and it just sounds great. Also, "do you feel like I do" or whatever it's called, by Peter Frampton just owns.

Originally Posted by Andy

Eric Clapton and Peter Frampton are amazing, does anyone else like their stuff? "Layla" is extremely famous and it just sounds great. Also, "do you feel like I do" or whatever it's called, by Peter Frampton just owns.

I saw peter frampton open for styx a few years ago. he was great. it's so funny to see this completely normal-looking balding man playing guitar and think he used to be the glam, androgenous dude back in the 70's
He still rocks, though!

clapton is awesome, but I don't worship him like some do. I'm actually not too familiar with his music besides the stuff you hear on the radio, be it cream, derek and the dominos, solo, or his other projects. I've vnever listened to a clapton album.

ever hear clapton and jj cale's album- the road to escondito?? I was intersted in it, never got around to checking it out.

RUSH's 2112 and Limelight were my favorite song tom sawyer and red barchetta were two others that were beautifully done