Batman 3

I could see Drew Barimore playing her. Can't really think of anyone esle atm, although I'm sure there are lots of others.

Vicky Vale isn't a character who will be appearing in the series. I sure hope not, anyways.

If they introduce a new love interest, it'll probably be Julie Madison. In the comics (as opposed to Elle McPherson's glorified cameo in Batman and Robin), she went out with Bruce in the early days, when he considered the 'Bruce Wayne' persona to be a necessary nuisance, and spent most of his waking hours obsessed with fighting crime. Needless to say, he treated her abysmally.

Links don't work, bro.

Originally Posted by Alex

Links don't work, bro.

Funny... they do for me...





How about now?

Nope, not working. 440 not found on the links and X on the pics.

Huh. Curiouser and curiouser.

EDIT: How about now?

I can see the images if I open them in a new tab.

Honestly, I don't think Batman needs a love interest.

Originally Posted by Misty

Honestly, I don't think Batman needs a love interest.

Bruce Wayne could be a happy person if he just let go of his crusade. Instead, he takes the weight of the world on his shoulders. At some level, the man is self-sabotaging. Having a girlfriend to neglect in favour of his crusade is a good way to express the self-sabotaging side of his personality.

EDIT: I think I fixed it

In different ways, I'd have to agree with both of you Misty & Evilsbane (but more towards Misty). In the pre-Nolan films we had Bruce Wayne be with Vicky Vale (Batman), Selina Kyle (Returns), and Dr. Chase Meridian (Forever). I wouldn't count Poison Ivy a love interest to Bruce because Dick was more infatuated (and intoxicated) with her...heck I don't recall Bruce being with anybody in this film. What I'm getting at is the fact that in previous films, Bruce was (for the most part) always in a monotonous relationship. One reoccuring thing that has happened in all movies with a love interest, the girl finds out that Bruce Wayne IS Batman. It's cliché. Rachael Dawes was more of a potential love interest (ok they kissed, but thats it), but nothing went further than loosing a really great and close friend in the end.

One great thing Nolan has done is really show Young Bruce's bachelor side. In previous movies he was usually in a relationship, but in the Nolan-verse we see Bruce the way he is portraited in the public. We've seen him swimming inside a restaurant fountain with two hotties, have a boat party full of ballerinas, and helicopter in a political party with three girls around his arms! If I do say so myself, Nolan-Bruce is more socially daring than the comic/cartoon versions; and I like it! Those are the main reasons I agree with Misty on Bruce not needing a love interest (when he could have several lustful ones).

But if a love interest is in the works for the next film (and its not Selina Kyle or Talia al G'houl), I hope Nolan creates yet another new female character like he did with Rachael Dawes and another director did with Dr. Chase Meridian. Adding new characters adds a little more originality, and (hopefully) a little less predictability when it comes to character development.

-BGS

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

But if a love interest is in the works for the next film (and its not Selina Kyle or Talia al G'houl), I hope Nolan creates yet another new female character like he did with Rachael Dawes and another director did with Dr. Chase Meridian. Adding new characters adds a little more originality, and (hopefully) a little less predictability when it comes to character development.

Rachel Dawes was the definition of predictable. Everyone knew she was going to choose Dent, everyone knew the Joker was going to kill her, everyone knew that Batman would blame himself. Unless a new love interest is Talia or Selina, she'll just be a damsel in distress. It's a superhero movie franchise - the superhero will invariably have to save the leading lady (unless she's one of the superheroes).

Unless of course she's Jezebel Jet, but it's FAR too early for her to be showing up.

Rachel dying was not predictable for me. I was pretty surprised, actually.

Maybe that was just me, then; I figured that, as Batman's archnemesis, Joker would have to do something PARTICULARLY unforgiveable to set him apart from the rest and above, say, Ra's Al-Ghul. So he was bound to kill someone close to Bruce. Now, Bruce doesn't exactly have too many people he could consider proper friends, and Alfred certainly wasn't going to be killed off, and Rachel was someone who never featured in the comics anyway, so her fate was sealed as far as I saw. Plus, she was a damsel in distress in the first movie, and so was a perfect candidate for the role of "Woman in Fridge".

Depp playing Riddler would be so beast.

Originally Posted by Hero Dude

Depp playing Riddler would be so beast.

Why?

I think that Jim Carrey would make an awesome Joker, But it would be pretty weird since he already played the riddler, and even more stange if the riddler is in this movie.

I also want Robin... You just can't have batman without him.

Originally Posted by MrBaconsock

But it would be pretty weird since he already played the riddler, and even more stange if the riddler is in this movie.

It won't be all that strange. It's happened before: Christopher Reeve and Dean Cane had made appearances on the TV Show Smallville. Plus the actress that plays Martha Kent on the show used to be Lana Lang in the old Superman movies.

Now as for Jim Carrey to play as the Joker...hmm. He used to be known for his comedic roles, but now he's more into drama. As much as I am a fan of J.C.'s I honestly don't see him in the role as a homicidal maniac. He was a little too goofy as the Riddler (the same could be said about Mr. Jones' preformance as Two-Face...it was very over exagerated, even compared to his cartoon version. Two-face & Riddler rarely laughed that much)

I also want Robin... You just can't have batman without him.

Of course you can. The way I see it, Batman should be introduced to everybody in his villan rouges gallery (well, the well known ones at least) before Robin joins. Nolan's Batman is still a rookie. Dick Grayson is still in diapers (or not even born yet), and Barbara Gordon (who is slightly older than Dick, and if Nolan is going to follow the "Batgirl is Gordon's daughter" formula) is still just a kid as shown in Dark Knight.

But at the end of the day, when Nolan (or which ever director decides to continue this version of Batman after he and Bale leave) does have Robin introduced in the movies, I hope he's in his mid teens, and not Nightwing-age like in the Batman Forever/Batman & Robin movies.

Playing devil's advocate: I find it funny that Batman is seen as a loner, but he has more partners/back-up than anyone else. Now when it comes to Superman, he's never had a sidekick (in the movies). Sure a few of his side kicks (Supergirl & Steel) have had movies of their own, but nothing with him. Off topic: Does anybody think Superman's son will become Superboy?

-BGS

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

Of course you can. The way I see it, Batman should be introduced to everybody in his villan rouges gallery (well, the well known ones at least) before Robin joins. Nolan's Batman is still a rookie. Dick Grayson is still in diapers (or not even born yet), and Barbara Gordon (who is slightly older than Dick, and if Nolan is going to follow the "Batgirl is Gordon's daughter" formula) is still just a kid as shown in Dark Knight.

But at the end of the day, when Nolan (or which ever director decides to continue this version of Batman after he and Bale leave) does have Robin introduced in the movies, I hope he's in his mid teens, and not Nightwing-age like in the Batman Forever/Batman & Robin movies.

On the one hand I agree with you, since Batman should be a character in his own right, but movies about Batman fighting bad guys will get repetitive without human drama to inject some real emotion into things. Alfred can only go so far towards accomplishing this - Batman needs characters to have conversations with. On top of this: in the comics, Robin's arrival marks an important point in Batman's character arc, and Batman needs that experience of foster fatherhood to be the character we know.

I always imagined if Robin was introduced to Nolan's universe that it'd be more fitting if he was his own vigilante. Kind of like in the beginning of Dark Knight, with the copy cat Batmans. I'd imagine Robin starting out like that, then following Batman around trying to get guidance from him. Something about Nolan's Batman doesn't seem like he'd be open to just taking some kid under his wing.

Originally Posted by raunm

I always imagined if Robin was introduced to Nolan's universe that it'd be more fitting if he was his own vigilante. Kind of like in the beginning of Dark Knight, with the copy cat Batmans. I'd imagine Robin starting out like that, then following Batman around trying to get guidance from him. Something about Nolan's Batman doesn't seem like he'd be open to just taking some kid under his wing.

He DOESN'T just go up to some random kid and say: "Hey kid, wanna fight crime?"
...
...well, he DID with Jason Todd, but not Dick. Dick's family died and Wayne adopted him, feeling responsible for their deaths. Dick discovered the Batcave, and the rest is history. The important part is that having a kid to be responsible for and stuff is what pulled Bruce back from the brink of his death wish. There's a reason why Robin's outift is bright and colourful... he symbolises everything in Bruce's life that's actually happy. Bruce gets an immense sense of pride from knowing that this young boy wants to be like him. He's a dad, and it's his favourite thing in the world.

Then of course Grayson grows up, ceasing to be the colourful Boy Wonder and instead starts to more accurately reflect Bruce, with the broodiness and whatnot. As is the case with many parents, Bruce starts to realise that the fact that his kid wants to be like him is not always a good thing - Bruce wants better things for Dick, since Bruce feels that the 24/7 dedication Batman possesses (which Grayson idolises) is also what makes him a miseryguts. The way Bruce looks at it: "You have to be the Boy Wonder. As soon as you lose that colourful joy, your battle to save Gotham will become too much and you'll turn into me... and being me isn't much fun. You have an opportunity not just to be like me; you have the opportunity to be BETTER, HAPPIER than me. Please seize it, while you have your life ahead of you". He tells Dick that he can't fight crime anymore, and Dick rebels, goes off to another city and becomes even MORE broody, taking the name Nightwing. Will he end up turning into an obsessed crusader who will never enjoy the things that regular people take for granted (like falling in love, getting married, playing poker with his friends on Tuesdays, and actually ENJOYING parties), or will he learn from his foster father's lonely regrets? Only time will tell.

Bruce handles the 'I hate you Dad!' filial rejection badly, and goes and takes in ANOTHER adopted son, a street kid named Jason. This time he's more indulging, instead of as strict as he was with Dick (which is where he thinks Nightwing's rejction comes from). This ends badly, as Jason begins to chafe under the 'no killing' rule. Jason becomes 'Judge, Jury and Executioner' when Batman's not around, and the Joker notices this.

NORMALLY, the Joker doesn't try terribly hard to kill Batman or Robin, as he feels that their overactive morality makes them "too much fun" to rob himself of such ideal "playmates" - if he kills them, the fun ends. It becomes apparent to him, however, that the new Robin doesn't measure up to the high standards set by his predecessor, let alone his mentor. Jason is just another predictably self-serving punk, as far as Joker can see. This makes him fair game. Joker kills him quite brutally, and Batman's sense of guilt turns him back to being the death-wish-having Dark Knight he was originally.

THAT's a character arc.