Batman 3

Originally Posted by raunm

And Joker's done, I do not want to see another actor portray him. It just wouldn't be the same. Maybe have Harley Quinn come in and continue his work, but no more Joker.

I've got to agree with you on that one. Like I said, I was a fan of Leger's portrayal of the Joker, but what he did, he did well. I don't know if any other actors could re creat it just the same.

Originally Posted by William die Wunderbar

If they should add anything with the Joker it should be at the end of the movie with Harleen Quinzel walking into the Joker's cell in Arkham Asylum.

I think something like that would be interesting, but as raunm said, it implies too much that the story would continue. I think maybe mentioning Harley as a doctor at Arkham would be a nice little easter egg, but they couldn't go to into it.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

I think something like that would be interesting, but as raunm said, it implies too much that the story would continue. I think maybe mentioning Harley as a doctor at Arkham would be a nice little easter egg, but they couldn't go to into it.

Oh no, I meant that in a good way. Dark Knight's ending is so good because sure, it could lead to a sequel, but it could easily just stop there as well. It sets the theme for the entire film of Dark Knight, and sets him, Batman, up to be the hero he is in the comics, like the film's ending was sending him off to go continue the story told in the comics. I like the idea of Harley going into Joker's cell at the end of a hypothetical third film because it gives that same feeling, only this time it sets Joker up to be the villain he is in the comics and animated series. It could easily set the theme of the film and it could be an ending that could lead into a sequel, or just end it fine right there.

Well Iagree with what you're saying about setting it up to be like the comics. But the problem is that I didn't find Joker to actually be that much like comics (even though he was suposed to have used the comics as a basis), and I think the introduction of Quinn would be like completely changing his whole personality in the series. Like I said, I didn't like Legere's Joker, but he did what he did verry well, and I think it should just be left there.

Originally Posted by raunm

Catwoman's actually a really interesting character, just because no one knew how to handle her properly in that horrendous film a few years back doesn't mean she wouldn't be good in Nolan's universe.

I agree, Halle Berry did a horrible job as Catwoman, but I think we should all still give props to Michelle Pfeiffer in her role in the cat suite. Heck, even take a look at this scene from Batman Returns. Catwoman was already thinking of making Batman turn into a criminal in the public eye (and that's exactly what Joker did in The Dark Knight). Heck, I'm willing to say that I wouldn't mind her coming back for the role (of course she'd need a different costume, just to keep up with the times). But as far as the rumor mill rolls, there has been talk that Angelina Jolie could play the part, but she's too expensive, so they may offer up the role to Megan Fox (which in my opinion, is too young, even for Christian Bale). The only "problem" I see with Angelina Jolie being Catwoman is the fact that she's really trying to veer away from all those sexy roles. Wanted and Beowulf made her blush (so she's said in interviews) because she isn't aiming towards nudity. But if we caught Jolie during her Billy Bob Thorton days (when she wore a vial of blood around her neck), I think she'd be more prone to chase for the role of Catwoman. But she isn't the same woman as she was back then, and so, I have a few doubts of her becoming Selina Kyle.

In a Nolan-verse, I could see Catwoman as a high-end burglar theif-for-hire. She'd still have acrobatic skills (to maneuver between security lasers), retractable claws (to cut glass...and faces with), and still have her synonymous bullwhip (to trip up security gaurds and use as a grappling hook ala Indiana Jones & Lara Croft).

Originally Posted by Mattocks

I think something like that would be interesting, but as raunm said, it implies too much that the story would continue. I think maybe mentioning Harley as a doctor at Arkham would be a nice little easter egg, but they couldn't go to into it.

To add onto William die Wunderbar's idea, I also wouldn't mind somebody mentioning Dr. Strange* aswell. Maybe (let's say) at the end of the movie, we see Riddler getting strolled into Arkham and we see a silohuette of a man cast in the shadows with green hair with Dr. Quinzell (the female doctor should have the same kind of high pitched voice as heard in the animated series) while she's asking some routine questions like "How was your childhood like?...". And while Riddler gets strolled into his new cell, he meets Dr. Strange a moment later (another villain that wants to know Batman's true identity. Just like how Dr. Jonathan Cran (aka: Scarecrow) was a bad influence to the inmates of Arkham, Dr. Strange and the Joker could be horrible influences on the people they are currently talking to in the appropriate cells.


One thing I can not wait to see in the next Batman film is the fact that we'll see in villains (duh, that's what we're talking about here), and also, don't forget, Wayne Manor exploded in #1, Bruce had a private appartment in #2, so expect to see Bruce move back in Wayne Manor again (with an all new Batcave!). And with an all new Batcave, we'll also need to see an all new Batmobile. The Tumbler was awesome, but this would be an opportune moment to see a brand new car. Tumbler was great against Ra's al Ghoul and his League of Assassins. The Bat-Pod was manueverable for Joker's tyranny over Gotham. And now we need something for the new villain (especially since the Tumbler was set for self destruction, and I believe Lucious Fox said it was the only one).

Speaking of Lucious Fox he said that he was going to resign (at the end of The Dark Knight). No more Morgan Freeman? Really? How else is Bruce Wayne going to keep his business running and get cool new Batman suplies? Lucious Fox was his main connection. With him gone, Bruce will have to work longer desk-hours. No money = no expenses to be Batman = crime rate goes up. I think this is a minor fact that people tend to overlook, so I thought I'd bring it up right now to discuss. What will happen if Lucious Fox is out of the picture?

-BGS

*I could see James Lipton playing as Dr. Hugo Strange. Anybody agree?

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

Speaking of Lucious Fox he said that he was going to resign (at the end of The Dark Knight). No more Morgan Freeman? Really? How else is Bruce Wayne going to keep his business running and get cool new Batman suplies? Lucious Fox was his main connection. With him gone, Bruce will have to work longer desk-hours. No money = no expenses to be Batman = crime rate goes up. I think this is a minor fact that people tend to overlook, so I thought I'd bring it up right now to discuss. What will happen if Lucious Fox is out of the picture?

-BGS

I was under the impression he wasn't leaving. He said something like "As long as this thing is at Wayne Enterprises, I won't be.", referring to the cell phone map of Gotham thing. At the end of the film Bale has that voice over saying some people's faith needs to be rewarded, and that's when Lucius puts his name in and it destroys the cell phone thing. So since that thing isn't at Wayne Enterprises anymore, I don't think Lucius is going to leave.

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

To add onto William die Wunderbar's idea, I also wouldn't mind somebody mentioning Dr. Strange* aswell. Maybe (let's say) at the end of the movie, we see Riddler getting strolled into Arkham and we see a silohuette of a man cast in the shadows with green hair with Dr. Quinzell (the female doctor should have the same kind of high pitched voice as heard in the animated series) while she's asking some routine questions like "How was your childhood like?...". And while Riddler gets strolled into his new cell, he meets Dr. Strange a moment later (another villain that wants to know Batman's true identity. Just like how Dr. Jonathan Cran (aka: Scarecrow) was a bad influence to the inmates of Arkham, Dr. Strange and the Joker could be horrible influences on the people they are currently talking to in the appropriate cells.

Wow, I've always really likied Hugo Strange, and I didn't even think of him. Way to go BGS!
As for Quinn, I don't know why, but I've always thought the story would be better slighlty different. I'd like to see Harley take an interest in Joker before he goes to Arkham, then use her position there to get close to him, as oposed to gaining an interest through their interaction.

Also, I think raunm is right with fox. He said he would not work for Wayne industries as long as that machine was around, but it isn't anymore, so he should be back.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

One thing I can not wait to see in the next Batman film is the fact that we'll see in villains (duh, that's what we're talking about here), and also, don't forget, Wayne Manor exploded in #1, Bruce had a private appartment in #2, so expect to see Bruce move back in Wayne Manor again (with an all new Batcave!). And with an all new Batcave, we'll also need to see an all new Batmobile. The Tumbler was awesome, but this would be an opportune moment to see a brand new car. Tumbler was great against Ra's al Ghoul and his League of Assassins. The Bat-Pod was manueverable for Joker's tyranny over Gotham. And now we need something for the new villain (especially since the Tumbler was set for self destruction, and I believe Lucious Fox said it was the only one).

Meh, the Tumbler didn't really suit Batman. I can't imagine Batman driving in a tank. I'm hoping for a sleeker model like the one in the 1989 film.

^You quoted the wrong person.
But I'm with you on that. Let's go back to a dragster, or hotrod for this film.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

^You quoted the wrong person.
But I'm with you on that. Let's go back to a dragster, or hotrod for this film.

What do you mean? I quoted you because you brought up the Tumbler.

No I didn't. BGS did.

Originally Posted by raunm

So since that thing isn't at Wayne Enterprises anymore, I don't think Lucius is going to leave.

I don't know why, but I guess I didn't see how Bruce anticipated how Lucious would react and install a self destruct program into the system. I guess I was the only one that overlooked it...

Originally Posted by Mattocks

Wow, I've always really likied Hugo Strange, and I didn't even think of him. Way to go BGS!

Thanks, and I like your Harley idea. I could even imagine her having a professional medical folder on Joker and in the middle of the conversation draw a red heart around a small picture of him and write "ha ha" at the mention of Batman on her report. It would just show how far Joker has already influenced her. Like Falcone said in Batman Begins "When did the nuts start running the nut house?"

Originally Posted by Ranma

Meh, the Tumbler didn't really suit Batman. I can't imagine Batman driving in a tank. I'm hoping for a sleeker model like the one in the 1989 film.

Well it was his first vehicle (and since he installed the Bat-pod into it, I'd say that was very Comic-Batman like, and ingenious. So a tank has been done, the next mobile should still get the affect of "I should get me one of those". But also would seem believable and possibly had been used in the real world. All I'm saying is that for the Nolan-verse, if Luciou Fox is going to present the new mobile, it better look like it had some sort of real world military function like a car that turns into a mini-sub.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

^You quoted the wrong person.

He quoted the wrong person because you forgot to put quote-tags on what I said. So when he quoted you, he thought it was your words, not mine. Simple mistake, right?
-BGS

XD! So I did , I'll go fix it now.

Also, that scence you described with Harley just played in my mind, and I like it. It could be a really strong moment for developement, assuming she'd be worked into another movie.

Seeing the Batwing would be cool. I would like to see how Nolan would make that realistic.

Originally Posted by Mattocks

Also, that scence you described with Harley just played in my mind, and I like it. It could be a really strong moment for developement, assuming she'd be worked into another movie.

I was just thinking...Helena Bonham Carter to play as Harley. Or is she "too old" for the part?

Originally Posted by Ranma

Seeing the Batwing would be cool. I would like to see how Nolan would make that realistic.

The great thing about the Tumbler (and Batpod) was the fact that the studio created something so original that it made it very believable when it comes to Batman's arsenal of gadgets. The thing is, in the comics/cartoons the villains would pull extravigant stunts to endanger Gotham/the world that Batman would actually need an airplane. In the Dark Knight, Nolan decided not to give Batman a Batwing, instead, just hire some pilot-for-hire to fly over a Japanese skyscraper at the right moment to use the "Sky Hook".

In Tim Burton's Batman, Batman used the Batwing to pop a few of Joker's balloons, scare off a few of his goons, and then got shot down by Joker's enormous gun.

In Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever, Batman used the Batwing in order to fly over to an island in the middle of Gotham Bay (and the Batwing could also turn into a submarine).

In Burton's case, I think the use of the Batwing was too excessive, and in Schumacher's it was too unbelievable (and not in the good way). If Nolan is going to have a Batwing, it'd better look original, and have a great purpose when it comes to crime fighting. Batman has had helicopters (on the live action TV show), hovercrafts (The Batman cartoon), space shuttle (in the comics), jet plane (Animated series), and flying submarines (Schumacher film). For a Nolan film (that usually takes place within the compounds of the inner city) I'd expect something to help him get away from the cops now that they will be hunting for him on foot, car, and helicopter.

As cool as a Batjet would be, I'd find it more believable to have a Batboat. And if you've seen the boat chase in The World Is Not Enough, you could imagine a realistic Batman driving something like that (well all except for driving in the street part).

-BGS

She played Belatrix right? I think she could pullit off, definately not too old, or at least she doesn't really look it.

For a bat boat, I see what you're saying, I guess it would be the most practical, but it would need a nolan twist for sure. Not just a black boat with Batman siting there driving, it would need to be somehting like fully incased, submersible, maybe have some sort of glider capabilities in the case it becomes airborn. Also, I think for driving it Batman would have to be reclined. It keeps it lower profile that way, and also would allow for launching the driver in a pod like a torpedo in case of emergency.

Since Jonathan Nolan said that they were looking to use one of the lesser-known members of the rogue's gallery:



It could work. For those not familiar, Hugo Strange is one of Batman's oldest enemies, pre-dating Joker and Catwoman by a couple of months (Detective Comics #36, 1940). Originally your basic 'mad scientist' villain, his character has been fleshed out over the years. A psychologist, his life has (like Batman's) been dedicated to achieving to training to the peak of perfection " - he's in remarkably good shape and sharp as a tack, an expert in several fields, many of them sciences. He, however, is short, balding and getting on in years, and believes that he has gone as far as he can go:

"I am a product of this city. My early childhood scarred by trauma and grief. The experience has honed and directed me. I now seek to make the most of my ordeals for the benefit of others. I work tirelessly for what I see as the betterment of all mankind. To that end, I have rigorously trained my body. Attained its absolute peak of physical perfection. Unfortunately... there are certain genetic limitations to what I might achieve."

Hired by the authorities to help profile Batman, Strange becomes obsessed with what he believes is the perfect human being. He works out that Batman is Bruce Wayne, and becomes obsessed with somehow using Batman's genes to improve himself, then killing Batman and taking over the Batman persona. Suffice it to say, the man's "not all there".

Originally Posted by Evilsbane

Since Jonathan Nolan said that they were looking to use one of the lesser-known members of the rogue's gallery:

Who's that actor?

He's most known for being in Lost. I think he's a great fit.

I cant wait to see what they do with the third film.

I think Harley Quinn has a better back story then Catwoman. There has been enough movies with Catwoman. Harley Quinn has never made a live action appearance. She has a lot more fans, and her appearance could leave a great cliff hanger at the end of the movie.