Script for Twilight sequel found in trash.

Originally Posted by Mazrath

I think I would have leaked the script.

Just for fun.

I would've realized that I could get the same experience from reading the book.

The woman who returned the script is such a good person. I hope she has a blast at the premier.
As for the movie adaptation, I personally really liked the first one. I was skeptical at first but then watched the movie, and I really liked it. The director for Twilight was the one who directed Thirteen, I believe, making the movie more indie-ish rather than mainstream. Looking forward for the next movie, but I heard there's a different director, so I don't know how it'll turn out.

Originally Posted by Judicium

The woman who returned the script is such a good person. I hope she has a blast at the premier.
As for the movie adaptation, I personally really liked the first one. I was skeptical at first but then watched the movie, and I really liked it. The director for Twilight was the one who directed Thirteen, I believe, making the movie more indie-ish rather than mainstream. Looking forward for the next movie, but I heard there's a different director, so I don't know how it'll turn out.

What.

If Twilight wasn't mainstream, I don't know what is.

From how I see things, I don't think the books are being held up as masterpieces. I mean, when I look at the fan world of Twilight, I only see that the obsessed fans are in love with how 'hot' Edward Cullen is, and they also love the idea of falling in love in such a way that Edward and Bella did. I don't necessarily think that how it's written is why they love it. I read all the books myself, and it did feel as though a fifteen year old wrote them, but at the same time I really liked them, only because it portrayed a world, that as a child, I always wanted to be a part of. I don't know about everyone else, but as a kid, I thought becoming a vampire/werewolf/shapeshifter, or anything supernatural was one of the coolest things ever, and having exceptional super powers to boot. Call me lame, but that's why I liked the books so much. The writing may not seem like the best, but the idea behind it is what hooked me - no matter how cliche.

I guess what I'm saying is that, someone could write a book about King Arthur, and make it boring as anything, but then someone could write a book about, say, an onion, and it would be the best darn piece of literature I've ever read.

Sorry for the rant, but Stephanie Meyer just wanted to write some books. Just wanted to share a world in which she fell in love with; and I don't think she ever aimed to reach a writing level such as Stephan King, or Charles Dickens. I'm sure she's just as baffled as we all are that Twilight reached such a popularity level; however, I'm sure she loves it.

Originally Posted by The Arbitrator

OH COME ON. If you have a view you don't have to be tolerant of people with different views just to look like a nice guy, because all you're doing is giving them validity by respecting their view, which gives them some confidence in thinking that you don't have conviction in your own argument. You don't need the moral high ground to win an argument.

Where did I say you had to like the books?

However, there's no harm in being polite and, quite frankly, the ludicrous level of insulting, abusing, and just generally being utter pricks and asses to people who enjoy them has finally made me decide that enough is enough.

You don't enjoy a book series? Good for you. Have a cookie. Now stop telling everyone about it. Don't read the books. Post a review highlighting the flaws, whatever. But the bashing of people who like it is utterly pointless.

It's just a more acceptable sort of bullying.

I would gladly buy the books, just to read them thoroughly, JUST so I can have some basis to my critique, but that would mean having to give Stephanie Meyer, a member of the Mormon church which funded Proposition 8, money, which would mean that I would be indirectly funding Proposition 8 by buying her fiction.

Or you could go to a library.

Fortunately I was able to avoid this by looking regularly over the shoulder of someone I know who was reading one of them in the pub for whatever reason, and what I did read did not only confirm what I'd heard about the badness of the "supernatural high school" plot, but bad writing ability generally. You may be writing FOR fourteen year olds, but that is no excuse to be writing LIKE one.

It's fiction. The sole point of it is to create something that other people enjoy. If they enjoy it then why bother saying more than that you don't and explaining your issues with it?

Now, some apparently valid grounds to criticize the series is the way it portrays an ideal romance, which could be harmful, but if it's main sin is that it's poorly written, well, so what? Lots of books are poorly written. I can see hundreds of them at any bookstore, thousands at any library. No one says people who read those must be idiots, or whatever.

Originally Posted by The Arbitrator

It's generally not the fiction itself that is hated, but the fandom. The books wouldn't attract so much hate if it wasn't held up as a literary masterpiece to begin with.

And what members of the fandom have posted here?

And why hate the fandom? What've they done to you?

Originally Posted by PyroShadow

What.

If Twilight wasn't mainstream, I don't know what is.

In terms of how it was presented. It's like watching an indie film somehow. Mainstream would be Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull or Transformers.

Originally Posted by Judicium

In terms of how it was presented. It's like watching an indie film somehow. Mainstream would be Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull or Transformers.

I still don't understadn what you're attempting to say.

"Indie" simply means "independent". It says nothing about content, style, production values or anything about the film.

Twilight was not an Indie film by any metric.

I probably woulda leaked it, too.

Ehh Twilight was ok. It wasn't bad, but it doesn't deserve all the ridiculous love (and the hate) for the movie as it gets.

I still don't see how you can leak something that's been a book for ages.

Originally Posted by PyroShadow

I still don't see how you can leak something that's been a book for ages.

Leaking the movie would be notable, leaking a script is stupid.

Originally Posted by John

"Indie" simply means "independent". It says nothing about content, style, production values or anything about the film.

Twilight was not an Indie film by any metric.

But there are aspects of the independent film that differ from those that are mainstream. Catherine Hardwicke, the director of Twilight, previously directed the independent film Thirteen. Twilight is presented in a way that is simple, similar to the limited and simplistic approach taken on the direction of Thirteen. It's hard to explain, really since I'm not a big movie buff, but the point here is that though the movie cannot be and is not classified as independent, it carries a aspects or an approach reminiscent to "indie."

Originally Posted by Ringo Starr

Leaking the movie would be notable, leaking a script is stupid.

It maybe stupid, but I would find it amusing.

Should have leaked them to make the writer even more upset.


The thing happened with her new book (leaked), and now she's crying and saying that, in her current state of mind, she might as well kill off all of the characters (boo-hoo.)

Originally Posted by Seen

Should have leaked them to make the writer even more upset.


The thing happened with her new book (leaked), and now she's crying and saying that, in her current state of mind, she might as well kill off all of the characters (boo-hoo.)

CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

Originally Posted by Seen

Should have leaked them to make the writer even more upset.


The thing happened with her new book (leaked), and now she's crying and saying that, in her current state of mind, she might as well kill off all of the characters (boo-hoo.)

It sounds like a fifteen-year-old really did write the books.

How on Earth does a writer get their book leaked? Don't they keep the details under wraps until it's ready to be published?

Originally Posted by Seen

Should have leaked them to make the writer even more upset.


The thing happened with her new book (leaked), and now she's crying and saying that, in her current state of mind, she might as well kill off all of the characters (boo-hoo.)

Its so funny she had a tantrum about her book being leaked. I mean c'mon, retelling the EXACT same story from the perspective of a different character, how absolutely lazy can you be? And how brainless can be people who don't notice an obviously half arsed attempt to milk them?

*Moved to Movies & Hollywood*

-BGS

Originally Posted by Feline Witch

Its so funny she had a tantrum about her book being leaked. I mean c'mon, retelling the EXACT same story from the perspective of a different character, how absolutely lazy can you be? And how brainless can be people who don't notice an obviously half arsed attempt to milk them?

About this brainless

Oh, don't watch her videos after you've just eaten. D:

Originally Posted by brokenjoker

From how I see things, I don't think the books are being held up as masterpieces. I mean, when I look at the fan world of Twilight, I only see that the obsessed fans are in love with how 'hot' Edward Cullen is, and they also love the idea of falling in love in such a way that Edward and Bella did. I don't necessarily think that how it's written is why they love it. I read all the books myself, and it did feel as though a fifteen year old wrote them, but at the same time I really liked them, only because it portrayed a world, that as a child, I always wanted to be a part of. I don't know about everyone else, but as a kid, I thought becoming a vampire/werewolf/shapeshifter, or anything supernatural was one of the coolest things ever, and having exceptional super powers to boot. Call me lame, but that's why I liked the books so much. The writing may not seem like the best, but the idea behind it is what hooked me - no matter how cliche.

Firstly they are held up as literary masterpieces for that alone, but if a book is badly written, you cannot be immersed in a world, just like a really glitchy game keeps reminding you that it's a game.

I guess what I'm saying is that, someone could write a book about King Arthur, and make it boring as anything, but then someone could write a book about, say, an onion, and it would be the best darn piece of literature I've ever read.

Sorry for the rant, but Stephanie Meyer just wanted to write some books. Just wanted to share a world in which she fell in love with; and I don't think she ever aimed to reach a writing level such as Stephan King, or Charles Dickens. I'm sure she's just as baffled as we all are that Twilight reached such a popularity level; however, I'm sure she loves it.

Quentin Tarantino wanted to make films because he himself is a big movie buff. This does not exempt his films from critique.

Tim Buckley of Ctrl+Alt+Del fame just wanted to make a webcomic. This does not exempt his webcomic from critique.

Stephanie Meyer just wanted to write books about that crappy fantasy universe, a world which she quite thoroughly made up from my understanding (as there is no vampiric lore involving shiny vampires other than in her imagination to my knowledge and she had never been to "Forks" prior to the writing of Twilight from what I can remember), but this does not lend credit to her literature.

Claiming that is like claiming "I can do what I want with MY [media]." Yes, you can - but this does not exempt you from my critique.

Originally Posted by John

Where did I say you had to like the books?

However, there's no harm in being polite and, quite frankly, the ludicrous level of insulting, abusing, and just generally being utter pricks and asses to people who enjoy them has finally made me decide that enough is enough.

You don't enjoy a book series? Good for you. Have a cookie. Now stop telling everyone about it. Don't read the books. Post a review highlighting the flaws, whatever. But the bashing of people who like it is utterly pointless.

It's just a more acceptable sort of bullying.

What you and I tend to be more used to is a sort of intellectual disagreement on a particular topic (you may think Casino was a good movie, I may not, we can have a reasonable debate as to why; you may think one course of philosophical thinking is wrong, I may attempt to justify it). It does not get violent or turn into namecalling, and we generally walk away thinking the other side had decent arguments but is sadly mistaken (or at least, I do). However, I feel that attempting to argue on the same level about Twilight's merits and flaws (from what I have experienced) with a fan is the equivalent of Richard Dawkins attempting to have a theological debate with a seven-year-old. I don't get into stupid name-calling matches with Twilight-lovers, if I did I'd be just as childish as the average Twilight fan. But neither will I pretend to respect their views.

Or you could go to a library.

That is entirely possible but that library paid money to get that copy, so if I give money to a library to borrow that book I'm indirectly funding demand for it.

Or I just didn't think of that. That's a good idea.

It's fiction. The sole point of it is to create something that other people enjoy. If they enjoy it then why bother saying more than that you don't and explaining your issues with it?

Now, some apparently valid grounds to criticize the series is the way it portrays an ideal romance, which could be harmful, but if it's main sin is that it's poorly written, well, so what? Lots of books are poorly written. I can see hundreds of them at any bookstore, thousands at any library. No one says people who read those must be idiots, or whatever.

Because not as many people are propogating the myth that they are, in fact, good books. When I read a bad book, I do often rant about how bad a book it was. If anyone came along and disagreed that it was THAT bad, it could spawn discussion. If anyone does come along and start holding it as a bastion of all that is good and just in the world, I would probably despise him for that. Not for disagreeing with me, but for thinking that a turd is not a turd, and further, attempting to spread his lies and propaganda to corrupt those of equal intellect.

And what members of the fandom have posted here?

I do happen to know people outside of this forum, hard as that may be to believe. To be honest this forum I've seen no one but people who blindly hate Twilight, i.e. most of the people who have posted in this thread. I notice some responses are stupidly harsh. I'm not attacking it in such a manner, as I don't have such a vehement hatred for the source material.

And why hate the fandom? What've they done to you?

Propogating the demand for poor literature just like Dan Brown fans? Too many authors are now writing about ancient conspiracies. My local book shop has an entire section devoted to people who are ripping off Dan Brown by writing about secret messages in Shakespeare's writings or hidden agendas behind the compositions of Mozart or other equally stupid premises that appear to be nothing more than pallette-swaps or skin-replacements on the model of Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code". Seriously, even the titles were like "The Shakespeare Secret" and "The Mozart Conspiracy". Found a similar book about Atlantis yesterday. I don't remember seeing this sort of thing being even remotely as popular before The Da Vinci Code, and actually having read the The Da Vinci Code from start to finish, I'm quite certain I don't want this book having such an influence on the literature of our world and I'm quite certain I don't want people following in its footsteps to make as much money from it as Dan Brown is, and the only reason he's making so much money is because people are stupid enough to actually think this work is literature, and not just that, but GOOD literature. When I see those people, these people who hail Dan Brown as a bastion of everything good about modern literature, people who have never read Nineteen Eighty-Four and think that Big Brother is just a reality TV show, I die a little inside. Now I don't know about you, but I don't want that conspiracy section slowly emptying only to fill up with variants of supernatural high-school romances. I'd rather have Dan Brown.