I'm sorry I haven't gooton back. I've been quite inactive lately. Everyone leads there own lives. If you're refering to the vatican, I don't know while they call the holy see. I'll ask a priest tomorrow.
Now the homosexual thing is more of a personal thing. The position of the church is that the act is sinful. Here is the position on homosexuality from the catholic church taken from the vatican archives.
Originally Posted by Chatechism of the Catholic Church
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
And in response to your sources, you have to look at where the religion stemmed from, was it more the God or the pharoah. Was it the God or the emporor. Was it just a way the leader manipulated to glorify themselves. Christ came as a servant and not to descriminate. I have no problem with homosexuals themselves, they can be some of the nicest people. But what they do isn't in accordance with God's will. I'm not going to judge them on that but according to christ. That is what is said.
Well, according to some sources, the Roman gods began to form in the 6th century CD and it wasn't until 392 AD when the practice of worshipping pagan gods...
*does the math*
That would mean the Romans worshipped their gods for 892 years.
The Egyptian gods, considering how long the Egyptian Empire lasted, went on for nearly 12,000+ years.
Under homosexuals closing hospitals and other charities.
See? Right here. That's why I'm not a Christian anymore. How can Jesus say "love your neighbor as yourself" when you've got crap like this? People saying homosexuals are the devil and are gonna roast in hell? Is it that bad to be a homosexual? I personally have no problem with them at all!
To answer the skeptic in you. Compared to christianity these religions didn't last all that long. And these religions were rarely challenged and fell at the weakest challenge. The church has been under persecution from the moment it was created. Under the jews in biblical times, under the romans with diocletian, under the muslims during the middle ages, under the english during the reformation, under the french during the french revolution, under hitler during the holocaust, under the russians during the soviet regime. Even today under islam in the assyrian church and the coptic church in egypt, somalia and other places in the middle east. Under athiesm and secular humanism. Under homosexuals closing hospitals and other charities. The catholic church is still and emblem of christ that has never wavered despite these things. All other religions have crumbled at the slightest confrontation, but christianity holds firm. It was only christainity where christ offered himself humbly as a servant rather than glorifying himself as a king.
That's what I figured. Since Jesus has been worshipped for more than 2000+ years, then there's gotta be something good about this guy, no? Obviously he's something if we're still worshipping him well into the 21st century!
However, the skeptic in me reminds me of the gods of Ancient Rome, Egypt, and Greece. How long have they worshipped their gods? We are not worshipping them today. What if in a few thousand years, people look back at us and go "Yeah, there was a crazy religion that believed that a guy got killed but came back to life in 3 days." Just like today we look back and say "Wow, I can't believe that once upon a time people actually believed that some guy hung out in the clouds chucking thunder bolts at people all day."
Of course, that same people would probably be worshipping their own god(s), so that tells me that there is something out there. Whether it's God and/or Jesus, I do not know.
However, I refuse to believe that all this was just some freaky accident that actually went right. I refused to believe that through some stroke of luck, we are the result of a genetic mutation that shouldn't have happened.
I did a google search and came up with pope benedict IX who began his papacy at about 18. However most popes were originally cardinals and it takes a long time to be a cardinal so it takes a long time to get high in the hierarchy of the church if you do at all. For this reason a pope only makes it to the papal state towards the last forty years of his life.
I recently read part of a book discussing faith. It stated that you must have faith in somethings existence before you can fully understand in it happening. To the godless I'm pretty sure God sending a son down to earth to be born in a manger sounds pretty hard to believe let alone a virgin birth. Things like this are scientifically impossible and to someone without a God all there is is science. But something scientifically impossible should show that that God exists. Because if it happened, and nature didn't do it. The only other option is God. The one thing that points out to me that Christ is God, especially in the eucharist is the wide amount of eucharistic miracles in which the eucharist turns into blood and flesh on the communicants tongue. Things like this back up my belief that God has made himself litterally manifest in the eucharist. So I see belief as a crucial aspect to understanding.
I was born an Episcopalian, but recently I've turned Agnostic. I believe there is something up there that we can't quite prove. Whether it's Jesus or a patheon of Goddesses headed by the Supreme Goddess, I dunno. (Though I kinda like the idea of the patheon of goddesses. XD Say, that' be an excellent religion for my fantasy race! *jots it down*)
Just one odd question: Who was the youngest pope? Why are popes usually elders?
As soon as water polo ended baseball started which is year round. I was givin permission to do water polo instead of the fall training. It's really all the better for you really, because if you have good work habits you can get things done better. But I don't have good work habits so sports force me get my work done.
I've been to booked up between baseball and school to pursue any personal history study. Even during thanksgiving break. High school sports aren't the most forgiving of co-curricular activities. I have always enjoyed listening to the multiple opinions on the history of russia and communism.
I noticed that from your post if you didn't catch onto that.
So how have you been. I haven't stopped into ZU in a while and I remembered you as one of the people I actually could intelligently relate to. Without getting in an argument or discussion. So I thought I would say hi.