I thought it was mentioned once or twice somewhere in the books.. Perhaps I'm imagining that. If that's not the case, I've had to have read about them somewhere.
I'm now finished with the books and.. well, Daenerys isn't in Westeros. That was shocking, I was sure I spoiled that for myself! Perhaps I only read "Targaryen" or something.. The supposed-to-be Aegon has after all arrived.
13 chapters remain and ♥♥♥♥'s about to go down. I've been reading so much without writing my thoughts, so I don't know where to start and I'll probably forget a lot.
The book is not at all how I expected it to be. I thought all the different characters travelling to Meereen would be together by now as a strong force, but Daenerys is gone somewhere with Drogon (that chapter is definately my favorite in this book, perhaps even the best when all books are considered), Tyrion is plotting something clever and awesome, Quentyn as well. As I know Daenerys will arrive in Westeros by the end of the book, I thought they would all arrive together, but that certainly won't happen now. I wonder who will get the two remaining dragons, or if they even will survive (hopefully!).
I think Tyrion will try to get the dragons for Aegon with the help of Brown Ben Plumm, as he longed to be by his side at some point in his latest chapter (if I recall correctly). I have no clue what the fate of Meereen will be or if we will even see an end to it in this book. Poor Selmy being all alone surrounded by evil schemers. May the Harpy along with his/her sons die painfully (My bet is on the Green Grace being the Harpy).
As for the Wall, I've had a gut feeling that it will collapse at some point, even before it was revealed to me that the Horn of Joramun is still intact. I wonder if it's the same horn Euron Greyjoy has. I wonder if there is any truth to the legend about the Ice Dragons resting below the Wall giving it its power. Perhaps when this horn is blown, they will awaken making the wall collapse. As Euron claims his horn has the power to control dragons, perhaps they are headed for the wrong dragons, that the horn only works for the ice dragons. If they are alive, that is. It would certainly give a whole new and stronger meaning to "A Song of Ice & Fire". The focus has mainly been around the game of thrones, but there has to be a reason for why the franchise is not called "Game of Thrones". I think ice and fire will have very prominent roles in the last books. Perhaps the ultimate showdown is a war between R'hllor and whatever force is behind the Others. Could it be that this other force is involved with the Old Gods?
I find it somewhat amazing from the millions of people in the world, how Tyrion was able to deduce who Griff and Young Griff were. I never thought of Tyrion as an idiot, but I didn't think of him as a Sherlock Holmes either. Well IF Daenerys quickly gets word that she has a nephew already fighting in her name, then maybe they'll be allies. But part of me doesn't think Danny will be a part of the war. There is a lot brewing up waaaay up north, and I think the continent of Westeros would benefit if Danny goes there, kill the Wights with her dragonfire and then claim the throne to the country she just protected. As they say the dragon has three heads, maybe Daenerys and Aegon will be married. My only problems with Aegon are these things:
1. Is he really Aegon Targaryen, or is he a Blackfyre posing as a Targaryen in this war's time of need (because the Lannister army looks to be getting exhausted, I don't know if they would be able muster up the strength to start yet another war...not only the strength but also financially pay for it)?
2. I hope Aegon doesn't agree to marry someone else for allegiance. Danny already has a husband, and if Aegon get's married to another, that makes four. The Dragon can't have four heads.
Ah, that made it clearer. Aegon is now also revealed, so it will be interesting to see what role he will play. I hope to god he won't be a nemesis of Daenerys.
Davos is supposedly going to be executed, but I don't believe that will happen. Like you've said earlier, the Freys probably wouldn't lie to the Lannisters, so the only plausible way I see for Davos surviving is that Manderly are pretenders (except Wylla who shouted out the truth, but was shut up not to reveal their cover).
I think you mean he believes Griff (there are two characters: Griff, and Young Griff) to be Jon Connington. Jon Connington momentarily was the Hand of the King during the time of the Mad King Aerys and he was great friends with Rhaegar Targaryen.
Just finished reading Tyrion's chapter when he arrives in.. Now I've forgotten where, is it Volantis? Anyway, something confuses me and it's about Jon Connington. Tyrion suspects Young Griff (I think?) to be Jon Connington and it seems to be a pretty big deal, but I can't even remember the name although I know he is mentioned in other books. Could you explain to me what he is all about without spoiling anything later on?
Congrats on finishing! You know, I invited you over to the social group so we could continue the discussions in there, right? That was part of the plan: To make the social group more active. I'm sure I'm not the only one that can keep his mouth shut by not spoiling anything for you or the others.
When I learned about Dorne, I thought "Are these the people Viserys was talking about?", or are there even more? As for "The Dragons have three heads", there have been a lot of speculation that Jon Snow is in fact a Targaryen (Ned Stark dishonored himself by lying to everybody in order to save his nephew's life from Robert Baratheon's wrath), so he very well could be the third head.
Are you so sure that Brienne was killed? "She says that you must choose. Take the sword and slay the Kingslayer, or be hanged for a betrayer. The sword or the noose, she says. Choose, she says. Choose". And then at the very end of the chapter it narrated "She screamed one word". So there's a possibility that she screamed "Sword" to save her own life
Haha, just wait till you read everything that Cersei had to do. And ever since Jaime got his hand chopped off, he's become a different (better) person. I'll talk more about it once you post something in the social group We can continue our discussions in there
Haha, seen some of those comics before. They're funny indeed.
And I've actually finished the fourth book now! I took a couple of hours for myself yesterday to get it done.
The last Dornish chapter made me smile. Turns out the prince of Dorne is waiting for fire and blood nad has sent his son to find Daenerys, as far as I understood. I guess it's basically confirmed that the Martells will team up with Targaryen when she arrives in Westeros. The last Samwell chapter made me really curious. I wonder what this secret that the archmaester was talking about is and why it has to stay a secret from the other people in the Citadel. Also, something I now remembered.. "The dragon has three heads". My theory was clearer to me a couple of weeks ago because that was when I read something about it. Anyway, perhaps it means that it takes three Targaryens to reclaim the kingdoms or something along those lines. There is Daenerys and Aegon, but who else? Perhaps he has a son, or perhaps the two of them will bed eachother? The Targaryens is after all known for their incest. I know that Daenerys is supposed to be unable to bear a child, but the possibility of it being a lie or to break the spell is there.
"Seeing" Lady Stoneheart in action instead of just hearing about her was satisfying as well. Too bad about Brienne though. Her whole storyline in this book feels wasted.. She travelled to find Sansa without any result, just ended up being executed. It had no overall effect (that I know of at this point at least)
And Cersei finally got what she deserved. I loved that chapter. To see Jaime ignore her plead for help was terrific!
Right, right, right, right, right, right! I forgot. As for the importance of Gendry, I have my own little theory. He was an apprentice to the only blacksmith in King's Landing that still knew how to forge Valyrian Steel (as far as I remember). So Gendry might be important in the future if someone needs to forge some new swords. Now I don't know how, but I would love it if Gendry was given "Oathkeeper" and "Widow's Wale" to reforge Ice again. Certainly not now, but maybe in the future.
Understood. Study hard, and get rid of your distractions.
I meant Robert. Beric mentioned in book three that he fought for the realm, for Robert, even though he is gone. Gendry is after all Robert's son, so I think that it will somehow play out later in the books, when (or if) Beric finds out Gendry is Robert's bastard son.
I have very little time to read and do other stuff lately, so I most probably won't be able to discuss the books or be that active on the forums. Just thought you should know in case you wondered why I won't be updating you how far I've come!
You mean fighting for Stannis, right? Stannis is the one that adopted the Lord of Light, not Robert. Well as you've learned in the Cersei chapter with the woods witch, Robert has had 16 bastard children. And if you recall Stannis is trying to find all of Roberts bastard children because they have more right to the throne than any of Cersei's children.
So you read the part in that chapter saying that all three of her children will be crowned, then die before she gets killed by her younger brother's hands? Well as you know, Joffrey has been crowned and assassinated. Tommen has been crowned. It seems like half of that prophecy has already come true. All we need is for Tommen to die, Myrcella to become queen, die, and then we can finally anticipate Cersei's death.
Oh and another thing about the chapter: Cersei killed her friend just in order to keep the secret of the woods witch's prophecies. I guess Joffrey got that crazy side from her mother...
On another note, I was surprised to see Gendry again! He's got a new god as well, the Lord of Light. It probably has something to do with Beric Dondarrion. He's also fighting for Robert as he claims, and Gendry is Robert's son.. Perhaps it will be important later on.
In the latest Cersei chapter, I got to know about her meeting with a sorceress as a child. The little queen will take everything she holds dear and her brother will strangle her, if the prophecies are to happen. One would think this brother would be Tyrion, but what if it's Jaime? They seem to not get along so well anymore, and perhaps that relationship will become worse. Anyhow, that would be a nice twist.
Well then, keep reading. You're bound to find the answers sooner or later. I'll leave you to your book. However I will say one thing, yes the Freys aren't trustworthy people, but if they lie to both sides, then both sides will want to kill them. If you don't know what's the point in doing that, then I don't think the Freys were lying
To be honest, I don't know. I just don't see them as trustworthy people. But of course, I might be wrong. That is what's funny about discussing thoughts of potential continuations. You become eager to find out if you're right or wrong.
Can't remember the Frey part, but they are a big bunch of liars after all. They have no honor because of the Red Wedding and all that. They aren't trustworthy and will do what they see fit to further their own intention. Davos was after all the narrator in the chapters including both Stannis and Melisandre (for the most time at least). He might be dead, but I'm still not convinced.
When it comes to Davos, it was mentioned that the Freys saw his head on a pike. Lord Manderly killed Davos so that he could get his son, Wylis, back to him. This is mentioned in chapter 24 (Cersei), in a Feast for Crows. And what can you say? Davos wasn't a star character.