-Big Bang:
That explosion had to come from SOMEWHERE...

More infinity, lulz.

-Abiogenesis
Sounds likely. We're no more than a bunch of chemicals and a bit of electricity. I also do believe in evolution.

However, when I said "how we came to exist", I was talking more about the origin of the all this stuff that exists. Even abiogenesis appears to have its origins in something that existed at the time.

But still, I'm seriously not aware of any alternate ideas as to how we came to exist. Would you care to share?

Why must the parent deity be "greater" than the son/daughter? People are capable of surpassing their parents, why not deities?

Furthermore, who said they were necessarily omnipotent?

Occam/Ockham's Razor says that the simpler alternative is more likely, no? Forgive the ignorance, but I'm not fully aware of other alternatives. Mind sharing some?

But what if there really WAS just infinity?

Another "infinity" thing I've considered was something like this.

I'm not fully sure what you mean here, but I think you're suggesting that such a deity would give life "meaning", sort of like how many Christians are driven by their beliefs to do various things.

The sort of deity I've think I've put the most consideration into is probably the deity that put us all here because he/she was bored and wanted to watch something. Such a deity wouldn't be a driving force for anyone's actions/wouldn't make life any more or less meaningful.

Funny, your message didn't show up in the "new notes" in the top right corner, I didn't know you responded til I decided to look over our convo for a "deeper reading".

Boo. I like reading about others' ways of thinking.

I never said I regarded the concpt of a god as evidence for existence, rather I suggested that I've often considered whether existence was evidence for a god. Or did I miss your point?

Anyway, I suppose it's more accurate to say that I've considered existence as evidence for something unexplainable as of now, which is a given. I just happen to lump in "deity/ies" along with those "somethings unexplainable", whereas many other people would quickly reject such a notion (for example, the idea of a deity would be far quicker rejected by yourself than me, I think).

According to John, this would probably make me a weak agnostic.

I suppose I'm a (weak) Agnostic-Atheist then

To be honest, all this talk on religious beliefs has got me thinking about my own. And I just can't make up my mind.

I've given this a small bit of thought, and I guess my problem, therefore, is deciding whether our existence itself is evidence of a god, ANY god. Sometimes I'm inclined to believe that it is. Sometimes I consider less deity-related ideas. I haven't really been convinced either way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my position on that specific matter would decide my religious stance, no?

Or am I just an agnostic?

That one sounds nice

No really, you get them off a website, don't you

The thing is, I haven't changed or challenged my beliefs. I have merely changed the way I define what I am (I had some strange impression that agnosticism was "halfway between atheism and theism" and went around parading myself as such).

I also don't get it, but the word "atheist" just has a "GOD CANNOT EXIST NO MATTER WHAT" sort of connotation with me. The problem I expressed to John (or failed to) was that it felt awkward calling myself an atheist due to the above. Even if I am an atheist.

Or an agnostic-atheist or whatever .

Mind-controlling asparagus and waffles?

Universe-ruling starfish?

Where DO you pull these examples out of ?

Of course, that's how I felt when I was a slight Christian, being raised in a Christian family and all that. But by 15, I realized that the only thing I was getting from faith in 'God' was comfort, but an empty, false comfort. If anything, it was more of an excuse, an excuse to not look into the truth.

I mean, if I was raised in a muslim family, I'd be a muslim most likely, that's how unreliable religion is, it comes down to what you're taught.

I just think of the idea of heaven and hell and 'God' if humanity didn't exist. If no one wrote the bible, would there be a God? We're just animals with an advanced brain capacity, where we try and control our emotions through different forms of comfort, and somewhere along the line, some douche decided that an invisible power would be the indoctrination that humanity needs.

Believe me dude, I wish your way was a lot more effective. But that's humanity for you, blind faith has more control than logic.

Heh, how's that?

I like it that you're quite dedicated to trying to make people understand that religion is retarded, but most of the people I've met who are religious don't budge on the subject.
They just end up saying: "It's my belief, and that's all that matters". Or some **** like that.