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- -Big Bang:
That explosion had to come from SOMEWHERE...
More infinity, lulz.
Sounds likely. We're no more than a bunch of chemicals and a bit of electricity. I also do believe in evolution.
However, when I said "how we came to exist", I was talking more about the origin of the all this stuff that exists. Even abiogenesis appears to have its origins in something that existed at the time.
- Why must the parent deity be "greater" than the son/daughter? People are capable of surpassing their parents, why not deities?
Furthermore, who said they were necessarily omnipotent?
Occam/Ockham's Razor says that the simpler alternative is more likely, no? Forgive the ignorance, but I'm not fully aware of other alternatives. Mind sharing some?
and there is the fundamental problem of the infinite regress, that the deity itself doesn't constitute an explination for existence because it relies on the assumption of complex and undefined powers, making the problem of how existence came to be even larger than before.
Another "infinity" thing I've considered was something like this.
"Something unexplainable", could be anything, of any calibre, outside current human knowledge. I am guessing though, that you mean a concept that is somewhat all encompassing, and could perhaps give complex life some kind of meaningful context?
The sort of deity I've think I've put the most consideration into is probably the deity that put us all here because he/she was bored and wanted to watch something. Such a deity wouldn't be a driving force for anyone's actions/wouldn't make life any more or less meaningful.
- Funny, your message didn't show up in the "new notes" in the top right corner, I didn't know you responded til I decided to look over our convo for a "deeper reading".
Anyway, I won't continue putting forth my perspectives too much.
I would say that you drift (drift I say and mean, because some of these concepts contradict) between Deism, Atheism, Agnositicism, and Ignosticism. Deism because you occasionally regard the concept of god as relevant evidence for existence,
Anyway, I suppose it's more accurate to say that I've considered existence as evidence for something unexplainable as of now, which is a given. I just happen to lump in "deity/ies" along with those "somethings unexplainable", whereas many other people would quickly reject such a notion (for example, the idea of a deity would be far quicker rejected by yourself than me, I think).
I don't think you are Agnostic, because you don't claim that the existence or non-existence of a deity is entirely unknowable, or not able to be estimated.
I suppose I'm a (weak) Agnostic-Atheist then
- To be honest, all this talk on religious beliefs has got me thinking about my own. And I just can't make up my mind.
I've given this a small bit of thought, and I guess my problem, therefore, is deciding whether our existence itself is evidence of a god, ANY god. Sometimes I'm inclined to believe that it is. Sometimes I consider less deity-related ideas. I haven't really been convinced either way.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my position on that specific matter would decide my religious stance, no?
Or am I just an agnostic?
- No really, you get them off a website, don't you
The thing is, I haven't changed or challenged my beliefs. I have merely changed the way I define what I am (I had some strange impression that agnosticism was "halfway between atheism and theism" and went around parading myself as such).
I also don't get it, but the word "atheist" just has a "GOD CANNOT EXIST NO MATTER WHAT" sort of connotation with me. The problem I expressed to John (or failed to) was that it felt awkward calling myself an atheist due to the above. Even if I am an atheist.
Or an agnostic-atheist or whatever .
- Of course, that's how I felt when I was a slight Christian, being raised in a Christian family and all that. But by 15, I realized that the only thing I was getting from faith in 'God' was comfort, but an empty, false comfort. If anything, it was more of an excuse, an excuse to not look into the truth.
I mean, if I was raised in a muslim family, I'd be a muslim most likely, that's how unreliable religion is, it comes down to what you're taught.
I just think of the idea of heaven and hell and 'God' if humanity didn't exist. If no one wrote the bible, would there be a God? We're just animals with an advanced brain capacity, where we try and control our emotions through different forms of comfort, and somewhere along the line, some douche decided that an invisible power would be the indoctrination that humanity needs.
- I like it that you're quite dedicated to trying to make people understand that religion is retarded, but most of the people I've met who are religious don't budge on the subject.
They just end up saying: "It's my belief, and that's all that matters". Or some **** like that.