Funny you should say that! What you say is true, but I recently found out that Ray Bradbury himself said Farenheit 451 is not about censorship at all, though that is the universally drawn conclusion.

When he wrote the book, it was intended as a criticism of modernized American culture. Quote from Wikipedia:
Bradbury has stated that the novel is not about censorship; he states that Fahrenheit 451 is a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature, which leads to a perception of knowledge as being composed of "factoids", partial information devoid of context, e.g. Napoleon's birth date alone, without an indication of who he was.

One of the interesting ideas of 1984 is the ease with which the government can manipulate the people into thinking what they want them to think. They tell you 2+2=5 and even if you don't agree with it, you mindlessly regurgitate it until you DO believe it because over time the idea is ingrained in your mind. It's just so amazing that if they want to, they can literally sit there and rewrite history as if it were a storybook, and because of the way the system works its so perceivable that they could get away with it, for even if the people notice it, what can they do? One of 1984's most prominent themes is the blatant abuse of propaganda, and its really amusing the obvious contradictions the government makes that nobody questions.

Dystopian fiction could be compared to propaganda. To me it often seems that these writers sit back and decide to verbally assault other faulty forms of government when the governments of their own countries are flawed as well. It could be an arrogant way of criticizing everyone but yourself, but it could also be that dystopian writers aren't calling themselves perfect so much as acknowledging that there are some downright crappy governments out there.

To be honest, I was never able to articulate the point of 1984. What is Orwell saying? That Oceania's is a crap government, obviously, but is he saying Russia's communist totalitarian government can lead to this? Is he saying Russia's government IS like this, metaphorically? Heck, I don't even know if its Russia he's criticizing.

Funny tidbit: the book was banned in the Soviet Union 'till 88, which is so funny because in attempting censorship, they fulfilled precisely what George Orwell is accusing them of.

Ah, yes, Oliver Cromwell. I was discussing this with my global teacher--I was kissing ass 'cos hes young, gay, and hawtt, and i quite possibly think he eyegasmed when i brought up 1984. I think it happened in China at some point, too. See, the thing is during time of war, (even if that war is over people's rights) there comes a point where people just want to stop the economic and social turmoil and settle down, and at this point, a figure promises hope and enforcement of people's rights, so they just go with it. War is the perfect time for new leaders to gain power.

My 8th grade English teacher once said the same thing, that in theory, a war against terror can never really end. But how would Oceania's perpetual war apply to the War on Terror, unless there was a conspiracy in which it turns out the gvt wants to keep us there? Not to mention that the massive waste of money has definitely no been bringing us peace.

See, that's another thing the people in 1984 don't realize. Yeah, in one way war is peace, but in many ways it's also destruction, that's why Winston's city is full of rubble and ruins and looks like ****, yet nobody seems to questions their living conditions and its almost as if none of them remember there having been any better.

Sorry for not recognizing that you were playing devil's advocate, I'm a bit thick in that regard.

Animal Farm's message is broader than I think you realize, or maybe you do. It annoys me to see the book disregarded as setting the foundation of 1984, like some kind of first draft, when really, its a whole separate masterpiece. It's not only a criticism of Stalin, it criticizes revolutions in general. See, many revolutions (excepting the American and others) throughout history tend to have the same effect; you end up with a leader even more absolutist than the one who preceded. Yes, this was the case with Stalin, but what about the French Revolution? That's right, a mere decade after the end of it, Napoleon declared himself dictator (hence the pig was named Napoleon, for he served the role of the leader who becomes tyrannical shortly after the country is "revolutionized").
Look at the first few paragraphs of this:
Where have all the revolutions gone? - International Herald Tribune

You could even draw a parallel between Animal Farm, and Gabriel Garcia Marquez's 100 Years of Solitude (great book). Though it is of a completely different style and genre, it emphasize's humanity's inability to avoid repetitive history and suggests that time does not go in a straight line but a full circle.

And yes, I refer to 1984 all the time as well. For instance, when people talk about government corruption, I compulsively say something like "Yeah, just like in 1984, where the Ministry of Love is in charge of torture!" I love the delicious irony, and the book is rife with blatant examples; War is Peace, etc. What's worse is that when Winston goes in-depth about describing the three rules, and how war is peace because you have a common enemy and it unites you, I actually started to believe it, for it makes sense in its own warped way.

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