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  1. Common Knowledge
    04-16-2014 11:22 PM - permalink
    Common Knowledge
    Ha ha, thanks!

    I've grown to really be able to pinpoint and articulate exactly how I feel about certain games, Zelda especially. I really can't understand how people can deny that the series has gradually progressed to a certain end of a spectrum that is fundamentally different from what the series used to be. Whether or not people prefer the modern philosophy of the series is a matter of preference, but the difference is there plain as day.

    But yeah, my tastes in video games are actually more varied than I can sometimes lead people to believe. The thing with me is that once a game classifies itself to be of a certain type or genre, or to be a certain franchise, I expect a certain degree of standards, I guess you could say, for it. If a game is purporting to be an action-adventure game, there's a certain richness in scale involved in that that the game can fail to reach.

    And especially with Zelda, which originally found fame based on the "vast" freedom it offered players and the ability to explore at one's leisure. To see a game today that fundamentally goes against everything that the series once embraced is irksome to say the least. I still have some hope in Zelda Wii U, as A Link Between Worlds was a modest throwback to classic Zelda, but we'll see.

    My overall video game stance these days is varied, as I said already, but I can usually pick out if a game is going to bring me enjoyment or if certain features will irritate me or not. I guess I've just gotten good at that as I've been playing games for years and years. I'll definitely check out that forum, as I'm sure they'll point me to some games very much like what you and I look for in Zelda.

    Nintendo is... weird lately. I think that's the best way to put it lol. They still have a certain spark to them that shows up once in a while, but overall the company is the most devoid of variety and scope I think I've ever seen it. I suppose some of it is understandable, considering how disastrous the Wii U has been. But this year, especially with what they announce at E3, is going to be a major test for Nintendo I feel in where they're headed in future years. They have potential for some tricks up their sleeve, but I can also very well see them remaining in their little bubble with another 3D Mario, another cartoony Zelda, and then relying on Mario Kart and Smash Bros for the entire year. And that would be a trainwreck.
  2. Ahluk
    04-16-2014 04:52 AM - permalink
    Ahluk
  3. Malia
    04-06-2014 06:20 PM - permalink
    Malia
    SNORTED LOL
  4. Hazel-rah
    04-06-2014 12:28 AM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    i can't play it now because i'm back in school i'm sorry i have disgraced your name
  5. blackbird
    04-04-2014 03:25 AM - permalink
    blackbird
    How come we never VM each other?

    Aside from the fact that it's pointless
  6. Zarah
    04-01-2014 12:22 PM - permalink
    Zarah
  7. Hazel-rah
    03-26-2014 09:56 PM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    just like in majora's mask, w0w
  8. Hazel-rah
    03-26-2014 09:56 PM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    I only have like three days tho
  9. marioguy
    03-23-2014 11:26 PM - permalink
    marioguy
    If corporations can be people, why can't definitions?

    Saying that you need a penis to be male is extremely transphobic. Hmmm, Chrome doesn't recognize that as a word. Chrome doesn't recognize cisgender either, so I guess it all balances out.

    I guess the definition isn't discriminatory by itself, just by how it's used. Let's go back to the thread now.
  10. Hazel-rah
    03-23-2014 10:00 PM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    maybe someday
  11. marioguy
    03-23-2014 09:14 PM - permalink
    marioguy
    I see these "academic" definitions, if that's even what they are, the same way I see Plessy v. Ferguson with discrimination being considered separate but equal.

    You can make a definition heavily biased. I'll do it try now. To be considered a person, you need to be white. If you're not white, you're a reverse person or a person of color.
  12. marioguy
    03-23-2014 08:54 PM - permalink
    marioguy
    Are these definitions even called academic definitions? Can we at least agree that they're heavily biased?
  13. marioguy
    03-23-2014 07:27 PM - permalink
    marioguy
    We can go back to my thread if we actually talk about what we're supposed to be debating. I already made a post there to get the discussion back on track. We can our semantical discussion here.

    Check out the title of this citation: "Only White People can be Racist" Things like that really piss me off. When someone says, "Evolution is just a theory," they would be wrong if they were using the "layman's" definition, which I think is synonymous with a hypothesis. However they would be correct if they were using the "academic" definition, because it has the evidence criteria. Does that mean that academic definitions are more proper, and thus should be preferred? In that case, the GEC is actually right.

    There should be a difference between when academia saying that my hypothesis that Santa Claus lives on the moon is not considered a theory versus when academia says that a black man beating a white man to death because he is white is not considered racism, I don't think the problem is that both words have extra criteria for their academic definitions, it's that sexism and racism were given the privilege component, which itself is based on the assumption that people who have privilege are better off.

    One last thought, can President Obama be racist?
  14. marioguy
    03-23-2014 02:53 PM - permalink
    marioguy
    When I don't understand a word, I go on Google and search "define sexism." Of course, you wouldn't find a definition with a systemic institution component unless you search for a long time.

    Can you give me a list of words that have a completely different meaning in an academic context? The reason why I'm against anyone using the academic definitions of sexism and racism is because they can actually harm people when used the wrong way, which will inevitably happen.

    Anyway, I'm done discussing the validity of these definitions. Let's go back to the thread and discuss the pros and cons of them.
  15. Hazel-rah
    03-21-2014 11:54 PM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    i still haven't finished xenoblade

    it's really just laziness at this point
  16. Windra
    03-21-2014 02:13 PM - permalink
    Windra
    I like your avatar!
  17. Hazel-rah
    03-18-2014 05:26 PM - permalink
    Hazel-rah
    el barto
  18. Malia
    03-16-2014 09:15 AM - permalink
    Malia
    well ♥♥♥♥ i am really REALLY relieved to hear that. i was actually just reading about it. i hope people werent freaking out too much over it beforehand?
  19. JustAnyZeldaFan
    03-15-2014 12:43 AM - permalink
    JustAnyZeldaFan
    In addition, you say that the pieces I prefer tend to have a more subdued melody, but I have a theme I really like that seems to contradict that entirely: the Molgera theme. The melody is also the most clear of my favorites because, as I said earlier with Ushiwaka's Dance, the flute and its more uninterrupted nature makes the melody stand out more. That being said, the flute melody actually isn't my favorite part. My favorite bit is actually the part from 1:15 to 1:30 with the dramatic bursts of percussion. It just compliments the flute melody so well. You'll notice that this percussion isn't in the first cycle of that part of the melody from 0:13 to 0:26. Another example I can think of is one that I didn't mention before because it is a mini-boss theme, not a boss theme. It's the Lizalfos theme from SS. While the song overall doesn't have much of a clearly-defined melody, there's this bit with some high-pitched instrument playing lightly in the background from 0:47 to 1:02 that has a clear sense of melody. I really enjoy it. In fact, it's my favorite part in the song. Without that bit, it would sound like "background" music. I just wish it was louder and more clearly audible. You probably would hate something like this because it doesn't have those variations in notes that you seem to like.

    I think the difference most likely lies in the kind of melodies we like. From what I know so far, it seems like I like melodies that are more progressive, fluctuating/pulsating, and note-heavy with a clear sense of rhythm and percussion, while the melodies you prefer seem to be more static/linear, spotty, and explicit with more emphasis on repeating string of varied notes than an overall pattern of the entire melody and the individual notes themselves. If that's hard to understand, let's see if I can try to describe how the patterns of our preferred melodies would look on paper if we used lines. Mine would look like a continuation of note waves that form an overall pattern like that of a wave with a rising action and climax, and yours would look like more like a straight line made up of a series of different notes that alternate. I'm actually not entirely sure; I'm just trying to make sense of it. I kind of want to see note sheets of music pieces we like and compare them for difference. Perhaps you could give your opinion on the matter and use some examples to explain? I'd like to hear what you have to say about it.

    I think there may also be difference in what kind of instrumentation we like. I seem to be quite fond of sharp percussion bits with progressive and steady note patterns, while you seem to prefer lighter instrumentation with more emphasis and accentuation on higher and longer notes. This one I am actually least sure about, but I suspect it because I tend to not like high, drawn-out notes and prefer a steady rhythm. What is your take on this?

    Based on all of this I have said...

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    I find this the most interesting part of what you said, since I can look at a song we both like and find out more about our tastes by comparing our favourite bits.
    I find it interesting why that was the only song you suggested that I liked. And it wasn't just for the part that had a "more-subdued melody" because I happened to enjoy the entire song, whereas with the other songs, I didn't like any parts of the songs, except for the first Xenoblade one. I'm actually kind of curious as to what other aspects account for our differences in our music tastes. I think it goes beyond the explicitness of melody.
  20. JustAnyZeldaFan
    03-15-2014 12:43 AM - permalink
    JustAnyZeldaFan
    Quote:
    Actually no, tempo isn't my only criteria. It's simply my first one, though I'm willing to ignore it if the melody is engaging enough. I really think that melody is the key to understanding the differences between our tastes
    I'm curious to know what other criteria you have. Also, what do you look for in a boss theme melody?

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    And finally, you feel that Kingfin's theme is a lame version of Koloktos', whereas I kind of feel the opposite. The latter's tune just elicits less drama for me, and I find its climax lamer.
    Koloktos' theme elicits way more drama for me, and I don't understand how you can think its climax was lamer. Actually, the climax is the main reason I like it. The rest just progressively builds into it, and it fits nicely.

    The bit from 0:57 to 1:09 in this song is way more climactic than 0:44 to 0:55 of this song. The first one has these dramatic drops in pitch with a boost in percussion complimented by sharp violin strokes and a string of notes that give a sense that the tension has reached its peak, while the latter kind of just holds a few high notes that leaves much to be desired. It's like you're expecting something big to come afterward and nothing happens. It just holds you there. Not to mention the instrumentation is rather dull and simplistic, and the melody is very basic.

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    It's also interesting because you talked about two portions of the song. You preferred one (0:42 to 1:07), while I vastly preferred the other (0:17 to 0:42).
    Well, keep in mind that I really love the flute bit too (0:17 to 0:42), it's just that I slightly preferred the Asian string instrument sound of the other bit and I felt like it was more intense. I also really liked how at the end of each melody interval, it was punctuated by this heavy percussion.

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    To that end, I'm almost curious as to whether you prefer this song over Ushiwaka's Dance, but I feel that's way too extreme an example.
    I almost thought it was the same song for a moment, until I realized it didn't have the flute bits. I think both are awesome, but I prefer Ushiwaka's Dance because it includes the flute parts I like. If you feel that's too extreme of an example, use a more reasonable example then, I guess.

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    I remember this happening in another thread when we discussed the Final Ghirahim battle theme, where the first bit of the song was easier for me to stomach and the next bit, where the song started to "die" for me, was the bit you preferred. Then you make this post, attempting to describe my tastes as "turbulent" or "frenzied".

    All of these, as well as my own impressions of your favourite boss themes, seem to tell me that you have a specific preference for a more-subdued melody in your battle music compared to me, to the point where you probably think that the battle songs I enjoy are too melodic for your tastes ("turbulent" or "frenzied"). That does absolutely nothing to explain why you like this music, but it does provide some insight into the differences between our tastes.
    I like your analysis, but I think you might be oversimplifying it a bit. Actually, I think you're somewhat wrong, in some ways.

    First of all, I find it interesting how you interpreted me saying the music you preferred seemed "turbulent" or "frenzied" to me as me saying I found it too melodic for me. It's interesting because when I trying to analyze why I seemed to dislike almost all the music you suggested and find a recurring pattern, the turbulence/frenzy idea I came up with came from me interpreting most of your examples as being too all over the place and without a clearly defined melody; that's why I found it strange how you interpret it as "melodic". Even if those songs had a clearly defined melody, they just seemed so bland and inconsistent that I haven't the slightest clue what their melodies are because they are unmemorable to me.

    By contrast, I find that many of the themes I like have a kickass melody, and it puzzles me when you say that the themes I like are not melodic. I think it's important here to explain that technically almost every piece of music has a melody, it's just that some melodies are easier to pick up than others whether because of the instruments used or because of the clarity of the melody itself. For example, in the Ushiwaka's Dance theme, you mention that the bit I prefer doesn't have a clear melody, while the part you prefer does. I disagree with this. I can see why your favorite bit seems to have a clearer melody; it's because of the use of the flute and the fluidity of the melody itself. It doesn't have many drops in notes. But my favorite bit also has a melody, but it's chopped up into more notes and harder to pick up due to the non-fluid nature of the string-plucking.

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