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  1. Rising Light
    10-27-2009 08:41 PM - permalink
    Rising Light
    I support health care reform. Personally, I think the system that they have in Great Britain is the best because it still allows for doctors to earn money, and it doesn't cost anything (other than higher taxes) to the people. The only concern is the waiting time. I think the other systems are good as well, but we're already struggling economically at the moment, and the last thing we need is for hospitals and doctors' offices (of all places) closing down because they aren't getting enough money to survive.

    (I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I love playing devil's advocate. Hence the lengthy response. In the end, we both agree upon the same thing.)
  2. Citizen Snips
    10-27-2009 07:48 PM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    Oh, and I'm not saying we should run into it either. But that most of the answers to the questions are already there based upon...pretty much all the other western countries.
  3. Citizen Snips
    10-27-2009 07:46 PM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    But we have examined all aspects of both sides, one of which is a little lighter then the other. Is there a method you specifically support?
  4. Rising Light
    10-27-2009 07:02 PM - permalink
    Rising Light
    I believe that while we do need health care reform, we need to examine all aspects of it before we leap into it. I'm a firm believer in understanding both sides of the argument before choosing an opinion.

    BUT IT'S REW HOW COULD YOU NOT LISTEN TO HIM?
  5. Citizen Snips
    10-27-2009 12:51 AM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    Hahah! Okay! Well, I know it's always hard to change, especially when its something that you've formed and that's come from the heart. But in good time we do. And what do you believe?

    AND DON'T LISTEN TO REW! IT'S A TRAP!
  6. Rising Light
    10-27-2009 12:47 AM - permalink
    Rising Light
    I wasn't stalking your conversation. I merely saw my name get mentioned and I grew interested and curious!

    And as for what you say...well, I accept it, but I still believe what I believe. Truce?
  7. Citizen Snips
    10-24-2009 12:23 AM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    And...were you stalking my conversations??

    : D

    Do you miss me??
  8. Citizen Snips
    10-24-2009 12:17 AM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    Alrighty. First off: Watch the movie called "Sicko". It can probably explain much better then I can. Anyways,
    You're arguing that we have a limited supply of health care available: Doctors, offices, etc. And the key to it all is successfully allocating our supplies, economics in other words, right? Supplies are always going to be limited.

    Would it be better for people to have an allocation of zero, a ration of nothing? Instead of one doctor visit a year?

    The thing about people taking advantage of the system, that's bogus. The problem in our culture is that people go to little to the doctor, they only go when something goes horribly wrong. At that point, it either costs a significant amount or it's too late, and super-expensive drugs to only prolong life can be given. That comes into the whole "death panel" scare, but I won't get into that now.


    Now, you're arguing about the deficit in Japan; we pay the most out of our health care. The problem is that the incentive is simply upside down. The incentive is to give people less care and gain profit. Why not put the money in good use, since most of it goes to the insurance companies.

    And in order to prevent those super-high rate costs of emergencies, surgeries, in general what many Americans pay when they decide to go, the answer is Preventative Care. The British have it in their system, and it is a great idea. It costs less when people aren't necessarily sick, but to keep them healthy. Plus, doctors get a bonus for how healthy their patients are.

    Our health care is already rationed. To the people who can afford it. At Least we would have a decision of how we would allocate these supplies, with the large money spent, instead of most of it flowing into private insurers. The country decides how much they want spent based on results. But I doubt that this country will even need more then what we're spending. And again, would it be better that someone go to the doctor once every 5 months or nothing at all?

    The waiting idea of waiting, that's BS. A conservative idea that totally takes things out of proportion. Of course, you'll wait for minor things, colds, surgeries that really don't need immediate attention. Why not? Is it better to have no care? In fact, you'd have to wait longer HERE to get to an ER, because so many hospitals are overloaded with patients who only get there once things are bad. There are three possible outcomes:
    1. People are always relatively healthy (Not happening)
    2. People get the the ER because of no primary care. Expensive costs that is covered by government, subsidies, etc.
    3. The Patient dies. Is that justified? That because they didn't have primary coverage?

    Now, we're paying these LARGE, excessive amounts for ER care for so many. Why not waste it in a good way, Preventative care. Which by the way, is much less.

    In Britain...and Canada, they'll easily get you to an emergency room within at least 30 minutes.

    So...we've been spending billions of dollars on a war that started with 9/11. Yet more people die per year because of no health care coverage then the number of people that actually died in 9/11...44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance, equivalent to one excess death ever 12 minutes


    I feel I'm forgetting something. If you have any questions, though, ask.
  9. Citizen Snips
    10-23-2009 11:10 PM - permalink
    Citizen Snips
    Awww. I still love you, Rising! I wasn't mad at all! The reason I didn't reply was that I just...I had stuff to take care of, clan wars, etc.

    Rising, before I reply, I want you to know that what I do is for people to understand. I've seen arguments like yours more times than the number of cherrios seen on my plate. I'm gona...debunk it I guess for the most part, but I really do appreciate your output, and even more that you did it even when I was kinda acting like a jerk in some respect. I've always struggled with an answer to try and help people understand. In essence, socialism would be so great for the majority of the population. But the ones that wouldn't really like it (The rich) have the power to really skew things up, get facts wrong, etc. I'm not saying you're dumb, or that I hate the rich, but what I'm really angry about are the injustices to the world; it should be better then this, especially with the U.S. Republicans...and democrats, most of whom have grown with no financial/family problems (normal), its hard for them to have the capacity to care as some other people, when they haven't been through it. Its pretty bad. And the fact that private health care companies are really keeping some out of it; they can provide great campaign support. But I believe that soon, very soon, a new era of politicians will break the glass, I just know it.

    Oh yeah. And for some reason, I tend to get heated alot faster here. I'd never do that in real life, and not just because I'm behind a username, I don't like being mean. I don't know how it happens!! It's totally against my philosophy, my way of life! I'm sorry!
    But anyways...
  10. Rising Light
    10-19-2009 10:14 PM - permalink
    Rising Light
    Quote:
    Oh, yeah. That. The first time she ever snapped at me.
    I'm sorry if I came off as harsh, Snips. I was just trying to show you a different side of the argument. I tried to be civil, but perhaps I got a little carried away...

    CAN WE STILL BE FRIENDS? D:

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