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  1. Xeno
    08-21-2014 06:51 AM - permalink
    happy b-day. hope you have a Big One.
  2. Setras
    07-01-2014 12:57 AM - permalink
    Hylia, Fi, and Demise himself confirm that the war with him happened- it's kind of what touched off SS in the first place, so yes, there's ample evidence for it. Two lines of dialogue, meanwhile, are nowhere near as reliable- the first is from Zelda before she got her memories back, and thus is merely a retelling of the legend as the Skyloftians tell it; and the other, which also mentions Fi's creation, is again almost certainly referring to SS Link directly, as Fi was created to help him, and calls him her master.

    The Surface and the war with Demise, meanwhile, were indeed regarded as legend by the people of Skyloft, but we know the Surface exists and we know the war occurred, thus establishing that those legends- as with most- are based in fact. And someone, in the distant past, must have spread those facts in order for the subsequent legends to form.

    As to the timeline split, it actually has basis in the series itself. The Hero of Time is sent back to his childhood at the end of OoT, and then warns Zelda of Ganon's plot. This alters the past and subsequently leads to a new future- thus creating a paradox. With Zelda warned of Ganon's plot, the latter never comes to fruition and he never takes over Hyrule- but only after he did take over Hyrule was the Hero of Time sent back and able to warn Zelda. Thus, the timeline is split, leaving us with the Adult timeline (which, according to your logic, shouldn't exist or should otherwise have a different past, neither of which are true) and the Child timeline. This pretty well mirrors the situation in SS- if Demise were defeated in the past, SS would never take place; but only once SS takes place is Demise defeated in the past. Put another way, Demise sat underground and became the Imprisoned, who was then fought three times; but if Demise were defeated in the past, he never would've become the Imprisoned and never would've been fought in that form; but only once he had been fought in that form was he defeated in the past. Again, a time paradox. And if a time paradox caused a timeline split at one point, why would it not cause a split in another? The only real sticking point is the Master Sword existing in both timelines, and there's a fairly easy way to explain that.
  3. Setras
    07-01-2014 12:14 AM - permalink
    I decided to move this to messaging, so as to get the original thread back on track. Anyway...

    Originally Posted by Big One View Post
    But it isn't hypothetical. Matter of fact none of the legends spoken of in the series, thus far, have been hypothetical. The text in Skyward Sword specifically says that there was a chosen hero in the past, before Link. That's a fact. It's a legend, but that doesn't make it any less true.
    But again, we never see this preceding hero in any canon material, and Demise's lack of knowledge about this supposed hero calls his existence into question. For that matter, Zelda doesn't even mention him again after the Wing Ceremony- when she later tells SS Link about the war with Demise, she makes no mention of another hero, merely stating that she (i.e. Hylia) fought and sealed Demise. If there was a previous hero, why would both Demise and Hylia not mention him? Yes, to be fair, these omissions aren't ironclad proof that he never existed, but if he did exist, why the omissions?

    you have no evidence that Impa spread this legend around. How would she when she was on the ground for nearly a century? She doesn't have any communication to Skyloft during this time whatsoever.
    And do you have any evidence of that? Again, there was a gap of anywhere between a few centuries to millenia between the pre-SS era and SS itself- can we really be positive that at no point, in any of that time, there was no communication between the Surface and Sky? Certainly, there was no communication for the bulk of that time, but someone had to tell the original Skyloftians that the war was over. If Impa herself didn't do it, Hylia certainly could have. It's not exactly a stretch from there to suggest that some details of SS Link were then dropped, and were subsequently corrupted by the oral tradition.

    It DOES change, though. Demise was defeated in the past, not sealed. Therefor, any of the events that happened in Skyward Sword, did not occur. It's suggested that the future was changed, because the Master Sword that Link put in the pedestal was still there in the future like it was in the past. Basically Link rewrote history, rather than splitting off into another timeline.
    Except Demise was sealed in the present in SS, as clearly evidenced by the fights with the Imprisoned (the form Demise took after being sealed). Yes, if Link defeated Demise in the past, SS would never take place- but only once SS took place was Demise defeated in the past. This is a time paradox, and it would thus trigger a timeline split. The results are what I call the "Sound" and "Unsound" timelines. The Sound timeline is when Demise remained sealed in the past, and was subsequently fought in the present and eradicated with the Triforce, which then leads to the rest of the current chronology. The Unsound timeline is when Demise was defeated in the past, and thus SS and the rest of the chronology never took place, and a new, as-yet unseen chronology unfolded instead. As for why the Master Sword exists in both of these timelines, it was replicated through quantum teleportation- a highly unlikely event, but a possible one.
  4. StinksAwakening
    06-19-2014 05:55 PM - permalink
    When I visited your page and saw Pinecove and Beemnorv in your VMs, I almost cried

    Ahhh... the good ol' days of timeline theorizing... at any rate, I'm always glad to see a veteran theorist pop up from time to time!
  5. HurriSbezu
    01-21-2012 07:21 PM - permalink
    Hey dude, just letting you know my little brother's on ZU now.
  6. Pinecove
    11-28-2011 12:02 AM - permalink
    Not back yet. Just started playing Skyward Sword today. Lots of stuff going on in my life, so I most likely won't be back until around Christmas, but I should have a big article by then. Hope theorizing is alright without me.

  7. DarknessGuide
    11-13-2011 01:46 PM - permalink
    Tell me SS spoilers now!!!
  8. spktb11
    11-12-2011 08:44 PM - permalink
    This is probably a stupid question, but how did you get a copy of SS before the release date if you live in the US?
  9. Double A
    11-06-2011 07:43 PM - permalink
    Double A
    So yeah. I was visiting this thread and it reminded me about this thread.

    I have to admit, at the time I didn't get the joke lol.
  10. Denget Zathari
    11-02-2011 08:29 PM - permalink
    Denget Zathari
    I just wanted to say that I love your avatar picture.
  11. Thanatos-Zero
    07-09-2011 09:12 AM - permalink
    I would like to point you out to this thread.
  12. 1984
    06-29-2011 05:28 PM - permalink
    I never realised you were on GAF...
  13. Pinecove
    06-24-2011 05:25 PM - permalink
    Yeah, but then the entire argument will re-surface in like half a year.
  14. Pinecove
    06-24-2011 04:22 PM - permalink

    I've been having exams, auditions and other stuff up the ying yang. I will respond to your post, but I have a bunch of other stuff to prepare for so it's not quite at the top of my "to do" list. You'll have a response by Sunday or so.

    Also remind me, are we discussing TMC's place in the timeline in that thread anymore, or just localization and the Power of the Spirits? It's been so long.
  15. Beemnorv
    06-17-2011 11:36 PM - permalink
    Pinecove is probably away for the same reason I've been away for a while. It's the end of June.

    I have no idea where Lex went though. He went to E3 and played the SS demo, but that's all I know. He just pops in at ZI every once in a while.
  16. Pinecove
    04-17-2011 09:58 AM - permalink
    Dude, do you ever plan to reply to myself and Lex in your TMC thread?
  17. Beemnorv
    03-31-2011 06:57 PM - permalink
    No worries. I'm a patient person, so if you can't respond for a long time, I can wait for a long time.

    It's not like I'm crazy about arguing with people anyway.
  18. Pinecove
    03-24-2011 08:25 PM - permalink
    Just to let you know, I'm not done with the debate in the "force" thread, but university work is killing me at the moment. You'll probably get a proper response sometime on the weekend.
  19. SSB_Fan
    03-24-2011 08:05 PM - permalink
    Enjoy that stick up your ass. :F
  20. Justin
    03-23-2011 04:33 PM - permalink
    Was being sarcastic.

    But yeah, it's interesting thinking about what the continents we know today were like all that time ago before humans even existed.

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