Gas. when we run out...

[Tenshi_Hyoeyu]

we all know that were using natural reasorces at an extremely fast rate so what will happen when we run out? my opinion is we all have to buy new cars that run on hydrogeon (i think that's how you spell it) or solor panels. but what about airplanes? this is the place where you can discuss this crisis.

[Sage of Earth]

Economic depression, then possibly ethanol or hydrogen cell-powered vehicles.

I just want to know what the oil companies will do when it runs out.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ I'll tell you that Saudi-Arabias GNP is gonna fall 95% :XD

Anyway, there are alternative ways to fuel cars and stuff... I don't know about other pil products though. However, I read you can replace oil in plastic products for sugar or something like that.

So ya, it's gonna be a bit of a stir in the economy, but it's nothing we won't survive.

[Project 2501]

What you're referring to is peak oil theory. Within that framework, the problem isn't supply, but cost of production. The more oil you drill, the farther down you have to go to get it and the more it costs per barrel; the danger is in the price of oil becoming too great for it to be a viable fuel source.

This isn't something that's just going to blow over; at present, there is no serious political push for alternative energy. Hydrogen is not a feasible alternative, since we do not have the necessary nuclear infrastructure to create enough fuel to support a hydrogen economy, in large part thanks to the idiocy of knee-jerk environmentalists who know nothing about nuclear energy. Ethanol doesn't cut down on pollution substantially, and it's driving food prices through the roof to boot.

[Asci]

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

Economic depression, then possibly ethanol or hydrogen cell-powered vehicles.

I just want to know what the oil companies will do when it runs out.

We're slipping into that first step now.

[Eternal Legend]

That's something that I'd like to know as well. What will the major fuel companies do when oil does eventually run out? I remember my father saying that when he was young, they were saying the exact same thing about running out of fuel and this was 40 years ago.

What's annoying me is that the fuel compmnies are trying to prevent most of the new fuel to come into place such as Hydro-cars, solar power etc. They will collapse one day and they can't do anything about it.

[Liquid Fire]

They were doing tests on cars that run from fuel made from sugar cane, but I haven't heard about it in years. Would be a better investment for the future with fuel running low and prices sky rocketting.

[Flames of Valor]

Ethanol is a fools erand. Hydrogen seems to be the way we go. I don't know what will be done about planes, but as for energy for the home, not the vehicle, we still have geothermal, wind farms hydro electric, solar, and nuclear. All combined should easily do the trick, no *****ing about wind farms killing bird and whatnot, do you care more about bird than being able to dispose of that dump you just took? I sure don't.

[nighthawkx]

nukes

end of discussion.

either that or tiberium, but tiberium is a bit unstable and the environmental risk is much greater...

[Soren707]

I would say that if and when we run out of petroleum, I believe that we may switch to electricity. Pros: Silent running, somewhat an endless supply of energy. Cons: Low mileage (I rode a golf cart, and either the low mileage is due to electricity running it or the golf cart wasn't programmed to go to higher mileage due to shorter battery life span.), nothing really else besides waiting to charge it, I'd say that would be another one of the big problems, also sources for getting electricity like using radioactive elements to attain it.

Or perhaps they'll come up with another energy source. We still have yet to perfect the energy of fusion though. That would make an endless source of energy. No one would have to purchase anymore fuel or energy to have the car run if each car had it's own source of fusion energy, even though it's somewhat unstable.

[Flames of Valor]

The problem with advanced equipment like fusion and nuclear in our vehicles is that it would be obtainable by anyone.

[Tazryl]

I am all for nuclear powerplants. I had to do a speech for class and try and persuade my listners, I chose Nuclear Power. From what I can remember it would take twice as much concrete to build enough windmill things to produce what a Nuclear Powerplant can. All the while using twice the amount of natural rescources and such.

I doubt we will ever see nuclear powered cars. One of the many problems people found with Nuclear power is what to do with the spent fuel, which could be used to make a Dirty Bomb. So making nuclear powered vehicles would just be a big mistake. It would be like the U.S. handing Bin Laden a nuclear bomb and saying, 'Have fun!'

Still I believe Nuclear Power is a great way to reduce our reliance on Oil.

Its just to bad that often times people mistake Nuclear Power with Nuclear weapons. Not saying that it can't be dangerous, but so is doing nothing about stopping the worlds reliance on oil.

[Gman]

Does anyone remember those flashlights that you shook up to recharge? They had an iron battery wrapped in a copper coil? Well how about giant versions of those? They're safe, very simple, and provide a nearly infinite amount energy.

[ginger17]

We all buy a Prius! Lol, jk, my mom has one though!

Originally Posted by The Metal

Does anyone remember those flashlights that you shook up to recharge? They had an iron battery wrapped in a copper coil? Well how about giant versions of those? They're safe, very simple, and provide a nearly infinite amount energy.

We have one of those! I just don't know where it is, and it sucks.

[Verrick]

Originally Posted by zeldace6400

how do you shake it?

A crank of some sort, perhaps bike pedals.

Anyways, when gas is gone or too expensive, oh well. People will have to deal with it, but then everyone will blame someone and they'll be killed. Oil is gonna lead to world war III

[Gman]

Originally Posted by zeldace6400

how do you shake it?

Simple, have 95% of the energy go to the engine, and have the remaining 5% go to a smaller motor that shakes it every couple of hours, or minutes, depending on how efficient they are.

[Project 2501]

Originally Posted by The Metal

Does anyone remember those flashlights that you shook up to recharge? They had an iron battery wrapped in a copper coil? Well how about giant versions of those? They're safe, very simple, and provide a nearly infinite amount energy.

The flashlight you refer to works on electromagnetic induction, which is the tendency for EMF to be produced when a permanent magnet and a conductor are in close relative motion to each other (in this case, through a solenoid). This is the same principle used to power large-scale electrical generators.

how do you shake it?

With the energy released by the expenditure of fuel. Which leaves us right back where we started.

EDIT: Damn, I just realized I wrote magnetic field in place of EMF without even thinking about it.

[Gman]

Originally Posted by Project 2501

The flashlight you refer to works on electromagnetic induction, which is the tendency for a magnetic field to be produced when a permanent magnet is moved close to a conductor (in this case, through a solenoid). This is the same principle used to power large-scale electrical generators.

Then the gas crisis is over. As I said in my earlier post some of the battery's own spare energy could be used to power it. Thereby making an infinite amount of energy.

[Project 2501]

No, it couldn't. Even if all the wasted energy could be routed back into the system (which is impossible because of entropy), you wouldn't get an infinite amount of energy out of it; you'd only get back whatever you lost.

[Gman]

Originally Posted by Project 2501

No, it couldn't. Even if all the wasted energy could be routed back into the system (which is impossible because of entropy), you wouldn't get an infinite amount of energy out of it; you'd only get back whatever you lost.

That isn't what I meant. My idea works like this: (please note I don't know that much about electronics) Basically the electricity gets routed to two different places. The majority of the energy is used to power the car, the lesser part of the electricity is put into a smaller engine that is used to shake and thereby recharge the generator. Result: Infinite energy and a generator that powers itself.

[Project 2501]

That isn't what I meant. My idea works like this: (please note I don't know that much about electronics) Basically the electricity gets routed to two different places. The majority of the energy is used to power the car, the lesser part of the electricity is put into a smaller engine that is used to shake and thereby recharge the generator. Result: Infinite energy and a generator that powers itself.

Copy/paste above response. Your proposed method of recharging the generator will only put back as much energy as you divert from the drive system in the first place; slightly less, because of inefficiencies. Conservation of energy means that it is not possible to make a perpetual motion machine, which is what you're describing.

[ZeldaMaster#1#1]

Or we can get Synthetic Oil. Cheaper, and it doesn't need to be drilled.

My solution is to...

Get a car that runs on a shake motor. TO shake it, you'd have to get a wheel of some-sort to move with fast speeds, powering the car.

[Verrick]

Originally Posted by The Metal

That isn't what I meant. My idea works like this: (please note I don't know that much about electronics) Basically the electricity gets routed to two different places. The majority of the energy is used to power the car, the lesser part of the electricity is put into a smaller engine that is used to shake and thereby recharge the generator. Result: Infinite energy and a generator that powers itself.

Project is right. What you are describing is perpetual motion, which thanks to a lot of factors that can't in reality be altered, is impossible.

The best example I can think of right now is if you take a tennisball and throw it at a wall. It bounces off that wall and goes to a wall parallel to the first wall. It will not just go back and forth continually, friction from the air, the wall absorbing force, gravity, and eventually the ground creating more friction will all slow the ball down.

If putting 95% of energy back into things recharged them to 100%, do you think we'd be having gas priced at 5$ to the gallon?

[ZeldaMaster#1#1]

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Right now, Diesel, is something we can fix. Bio-deisel made from cooking oil's, no problem.

Maybe e can make all bio-diesel cars, and have chicken, burrito, etc smelling highways. ^.^