Queen Liliuokalani, and illegal U.S. annexation of Hawaii!!!!

[Tuf Pic]

Did you guys know that Hawaii used to be a constitutional monarchy, until U.S. buissness-men and others illegally overthrew the Queen, simply for the profit, desire for millitary strength, and the (misguided) belief in "cultural superiority", and they did NOT want a new constitution, which would give more power and freedom to Hawaii's native residents?!?! If you want to find out more about this event in history:


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Although the Clinton administration has apologized, little or nothing has been done to free the islands, and return power to the monarchy, and/or to the People of Hawaii!!!! Any thoughts, guys?!?!

[DarKnite92]

They're better with out the monarchy, I'm glad we overthrew it. How we did it, was, ofcourse horrible and immoral, though. If the Hawaiians want to leave the country they should be allowed to.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

[Tazryl]

Oddly enough... I dont really care.

But hell, why not just cut all ties off from Hawaii. I could careless if that happened. Its just another group of islands to me.

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by DarKnite92

They're better with out the monarchy, I'm glad we overthrew it. How we did it, was, ofcourse horrible and immoral, though. If the Hawaiians want to leave the country they should be allowed to.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

I want to know who said that, so I may worship him.

[Gman]

BFD Really it was a long time ago, and the people of Hawaii are living very good lives right now. It's not like thy're our slaves or anything, they're just politically considered part of the U.S. Whoopty freakin do. Besides if we did give them their country back it wouldn't last very long. They'd still be heavilydependent on the U.S. for vital resources, economic support, and military support. But if the U.S. considered them a separate Union, we wouldn't give them these thing for free any more. They'd have to pay like all other countries that get recourses from the United States. Really the only thing Hawaii's good for is tourism. I hate to sound like an ass but it's true. So, Hawaii bcoming a country would be an honor or pride thing, and I don't think the native Hawaiians care about it that much anymore. They're very laid back people.

[Lly]

Although the Clinton administration has apologized, little or nothing has been done to free the islands, and return power to the monarchy, and/or to the People of Hawaii!!!! Any thoughts, guys?!?!

Um, why would we return power to the monarchy? I'm not going to say that the hostile imperealistic tendencies of the late 19th centure were morally acceptable- but Hawaii is now a state, a US state, and I'm pretty sure we're not going to just let them go.

You speak of Hawaii as it's a colony. It isn't. The islands are an integral part of the United States, and what you're saying is akin to giving Alaska back to the Inuits or giving New England back to the Iriquois- a kind thought, but probably not going to happen.

[Virtigo]

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

... until U.S. buissness-men and others illegally ... simply for the profit, desire for millitary strength, and the (misguided) belief in "cultural superiority", and they did NOT want a new constitution, which would give more power and freedom to ... native residents...

I was marginally outraged, but do you realize this is pretty much how most of America west of the Mississippi was unionized and incorporated into the republic.

From sea to shining sea, as it were.

[DarKnite92]

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

I want to know who said that, so I may worship him.

It's normally credited to Diderot or a Catholic priest who was actually atheist called Jean Meslier, but it's most likely a mistranslation of a quote from him. The real quote is:
"And his hands would plait the priest's entrails, for want of a rope, to strangle kings."

[Flames of Valor]

It is perfectly normal for countries to expand territory, at least we didn't kill people to do it.

[Blurrhead]

Originally Posted by Tuf Pic

Did you guys know that Hawaii used to be a constitutional monarchy, until U.S. buissness-men and others illegally overthrew the Queen, simply for the profit, desire for millitary strength, and the (misguided) belief in "cultural superiority", and they did NOT want a new constitution, which would give more power and freedom to Hawaii's native residents?!?!

Well, that's imperialism for ya'.

[GDwarf]

Originally Posted by Project 2501

lyk how dar u tlak bad about america america is teh gr8st cuntry on urth an u r just a stypid LIEberal, if you dont liek it gtfo

AMERICA **** YEAH



Yeah, except for the Native Americans. Oh, and all the Iraqis we've managed to kill, rape, evict, or otherwise screw over in our lust to wage proxy wars for business interests.

fine, I added something more substantial, now stop deleting my posts

...Given your first line here, I can't really justify keeping this around.

[Cody]

There's no such thing as illegally overthrowing the Queen. Once you overthrow the Queen, whatever you do is legal. Hurray for the right of conquest.