Why is there something instead of nothing?

[Miilou Suede]

Why? (Brothers and sisters in Christ I already know your answer ^_^). Does it not logically follow that some transcendent, perfect, infinite being would have had to create everything?

[Liquid Fire]

*slightly confused* Your talking about why it doesn't make logical sense that creationism is true?

[Daphnes]

Originally Posted by Miilou Suede

Why? (Brothers and sisters in Christ I already know your answer ^_^). Does it not logically follow that some transcendent, perfect, infinite being would have had to create everything?

Some people don't believe that molecules can eventually form organisms that will grow and evolve into more complex beings over large spans of time. That's just the way it is, and not everyone can be convinced to hop on the evolution bandwagon.

[Sage of Earth]

No, it doesn't logically follow at all.

I exist. I know because I think, therefore I am.

There is a world for me to exist in. I know because I can see the world around me.

I can see the stars in the sky at night which shows there is a whole universe out there.

Therefore someone must have made it, and this someone must be perfect and transcendent and infinite.

What?

[Daphnes]

Originally Posted by Sage of Earth

No, it doesn't logically follow at all.

I exist. I know because I think, therefore I am.

There is a world for me to exist in. I know because I can see the world around me.

I can see the stars in the sky at night which shows there is a whole universe out there.

Therefore someone must have made it.

What?

Just because something exists doesn't mean someone has to have made it. There is no proof for that. However, evolution and the Big Bang aren't indisputable either. Hence, they are called theories.

There is one constant, and that is science. With science we have unraveled many mysteries of the world and space. We will continue to find answers with science until Humans all die out.

[Sage of Earth]

Originally Posted by Daphnes

Just because something exists doesn't mean someone has to have made it. There is no proof for that. However, evolution and the Big Bang aren't indisputable either. Hence, they are called theories.

There is one constant, and that is science. With science we have unraveled many mysteries of the world and space. We will continue to find answers with science until Humans all die out.

I know. I was pointing out the absurdity of that logical process. "I exist, the world exists, the universe exists. Therefore God did it."

[andi]

Originally Posted by Miilou Suede

Why? (Brothers and sisters in Christ I already know your answer ^_^). Does it not logically follow that some transcendent, perfect, infinite being would have had to create everything?

Yes, it would have had to create every piece of universal space-time. But it doesn't necessarily follow that this transcendent (read: hyperuniversal), perfect (read:the universal creator, and therefore perfect by necessity), infinite (read: hyperuniversal) being does or ever has given a single solitary s*** about you or anyone else. :3

[Mad Hatter]

Originally Posted by Miilou Suede

Why? (Brothers and sisters in Christ I already know your answer ^_^).

Nobody knows. And we probably won't for at least another decade, unless there's a huge discovery in physics.

Does it not logically follow that some transcendent, perfect, infinite being would have had to create everything?

No, it doesn't. Why would there be one? Doesn't the same question apply?

[The Shademan]

To answer the title first:

Originally Posted by Suede

Why is there something instead of nothing?

Something is nothing, and nothing is everything, and every word I speak is a lie that points to the moon.

Originally Posted by Suede

Why? (Brothers and sisters in Christ I already know your answer ^_^). Does it not logically follow that some transcendent, perfect, infinite being would have had to create everything?

Sometimes the baker gets paid for his goods. "This is called perfect commerce," he says.

Sometimes the baker is robbed. "This is called perfect thievery," the thief says.

Why perfect? Another might say all of this is foolishness. Perfect is an opinion. My perfect God might be one that doesn't exist.

And why doesn't it follow someone made it all? Make something. I dare you. You've never seen anything made at all. Just transformed.

[Hombre de Mundo]

Why does something exist instead of nothing, you ask?
Because God made it?
So why does God exist, instead of nothing?

[Miilou Suede]

I'm a theistic evolutionist, in that I believe evolution,the big-bang and accepted modern scientific thought can be completely harmonious within a Christian mindset. When the universe was in a state of singularity right before the Big Bang, where did that matter come from?

[Sage of Earth]

The logical answer to that isn't "God". If God did it, and there's proof of this, I'll gladly believe it, but there's no logical answer to that question other than "nowhere" because our knowledge hasn't expanded that far yet.

[Daphnes]

Originally Posted by Miilou Suede

I'm a theistic evolutionist, in that I believe evolution,the big-bang and accepted modern scientific thought can be completely harmonious within a Christian mindset. When the universe was in a state of singularity right before the Big Bang, where did that matter come from?

Matter has always existed. I can believe that thought. A cosmic being able to create matter that can sustain itsself without air, light, food, or water, is harder to believe.

[Mr. Lexxi Aileron]

Whatever caused the universe to come into being is God.

Whether or not God is personal or constantly active is a matter of debate.

[Sage of Earth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

Whatever caused the universe to come into being is God.

Whether or not God is personal or constantly active is a matter of debate.

I like how you say that so certainly, in light of the rest of the thread.

[Mr. Lexxi Aileron]

That is, by definition, what God is. The cause of existence. Theists just add the personal and active part.

[Sage of Earth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

That is, by definition, what God is. The cause of existence. Theists just add the personal and active part.

As in whatever caused existence = God? God is the name we give to whatever actions and reactions caused existence, even if it means, quite literally, matter sprouting from nowhere?

There's no point in using the word God if that's what you mean. That's just some attempt to associate the beginning of existence with religion, no matter how loosely, just by using the same word so that it doesn't look like you're wrong. Changing the definition of a word when it's original meaning becomes inconvenient.

[Hombre de Mundo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lexxi Aileron

That is, by definition, what God is. The cause of existence. Theists just add the personal and active part.

Just because someone once said that God is the cause of existance doesn't mean the cause of existance must be defined as 'God'.


And I still want a christian to answer me this:

Originally Posted by Me

Why does something exist instead of nothing, you ask?
Because God made it?
So why does God exist, instead of nothing?

[Miilou Suede]

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Just because someone once said that God is the cause of existance doesn't mean the cause of existance must be defined as 'God'.

Why does something exist instead of nothing, you ask?
Because God made it?
So why does God exist, instead of nothing?

And I still want a christian to answer me this:

Does an endless universe make any logical sense? Why does an entity above everything creating everything not make sense?

[Mad Hatter]

Originally Posted by Miilou Suede

Why does an entity above everything creating everything not make sense?

Because you've given no reason to assume it. And it's subject to the same question - why is it there? You've been very silent with that question...

[Miilou Suede]

I think the reason iHe is there because as limited beings we need someone above us to guide us. When you were a child, did your mother and father help you grow emotionally? They assisted in revealing bits of the world in a helpful fashion careful balancing between two extremes:

1. They could not give you too much, too fast as to not have reality scare you.
2. They could not give you too little, too slow in that you would be too sheltered and unprepared for the challenges ahead.

And once you turned that magical age where you set out on your own, your parents were gone. While you may have had the option to call them, or whoever, for advice.. there may have been no one to watch over you to help guide you into ultimately understanding life.

I think God is that guide, who does not "free" us at a certain age, but is ALWAYS helping us grow. When kids enter college, a lot of them lose their faith. I do not enjoy attributing this to the generalized "extreme liberal bias" in higher education or the more logical "nobody enforces Sunday school attendance anymore." I think it's because kids may think, "I am independent and complete. I am my own guide now and need no watcher to help me grow." I do not intend to falsely put the argument in your own mouth that you already believe you are complete in your development, but I do ask this:

1. Do you believe as a limited being, that you can grow and learn until the day you die simply by making the right choices on your own?

2. Do you agree that an outside source (be it some old man scribbling down in a journal during antiquity or any friend/parent/contact who's already gone through your own troubles) is necessary to give advice?

3. Do you believe that, assuming fallibility, they will not be able to heal the deepest concerns of your heart and you'd have to settle for a big gaping hole in your life?

[Igna]

Does an endless universe make any logical sense?

Why not?