Allah and God one in the same?

[KeeperOfCourage]

I brought this up in another topic but I'll give it its own topic.

So what do you all think? Please use good solid proof and stuff, like Bible/Koran verses or articles you think apply.

I'll present my arguments a little later.

[Dark Link]

The word "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God"...

[icybreeze]

Hmm...well if you mean which one is more truthfull,i have to admit its the Quran as i read it as a class in R.E i thought it was really great as for the bible hmm.. i respect it to but,still Islam is a very good religon and the Quran is pure facts^^


Yah Allah means God in arabic ^^

[KeeperOfCourage]

sure Allah can mean God in arabic, but that doesnt mean the god Allah and the God God are the same "Beings" I guess you'd say. That's just like saying Gott is the word for God in German.

[Trico]

Islam shares in the monotheistic tradition preceding it in Christianity and Judaism -- the orthodox muslim belief is that יהוה of the Torah is God who revealed the Quran to Muhammed (and Moses, David, Jesus, and others were prophets before him), but the texts of the Torah and of the New Testament have been distorted.

So, yes, Allah is the Jewish and Christian god. If you want to suggest that both Allah and the christian god exist as separate divine beings, that's quite an interesting suggestion, but not supported by either religion.

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by KeeperOfCourage

sure Allah can mean God in arabic, but that doesnt mean the god Allah and the God God are the same "Beings" I guess you'd say. That's just like saying Gott is the word for God in German.

Same guy. Exact same guy inhabits Judaism, Islam & Christianity, give or take a few minor details.

[Erimgard]

I've always understood that Mohammed was said to have received a new message from the 'old' God of the Torah. Much in the sense that the God of Christianity is the same God of Judaism but with the New Testament added.
However, Christians and Jews do not believe the Koran to be actually God-inspired, and thus do not believe Allah is the true God.
Much in the same way that Jews do not believe Christians to be following the true God because they don't believe Jesus or the New Testament to be of God.

[icybreeze]

Hmm well i guys you need to learn how to spell Quran right ok? hahh its Quran^^

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by icybreeze

Hmm well i guys you need to learn how to spell Quran right ok? hahh its Quran^^

There are multiple spellings. Koran is also acceptable.

[GarmGarf]

Yahweh, Jehovah, and Allah, are all the same being, just different perspectives of It.

My mother knows me differently than my friends do, and my teachers know me differently as well; yet, I am the same entity.

[Verrick]

If Allah and God are the same, then is Allah triune?

There is a definate difference between the two.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ God is triune only according to christianity. In that sense, the nature of God described in the koran is closer to the original than that of christianity.

EDIT: 4000 posts!

[KeeperOfCourage]

Could you guys use actual verses n stuff to support your claims?

Now I shall lay out my argument.

The God of the Bible is knowable (John 17:3) Allah is so exalted that he cannont be known personally
God is one God in three persons, Quran denies the Trinity.
God is limited by His own nature. We are told he cannot lie. Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 Whereas Allah isnt limited by anything. Said in the Quran.
Christians are saved by Grace and the intercession of Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 2:8
whereas in the Quran it teaches nothing of an intercessor

Sorry that I dont have any verses for the Quran, if any of ya'll have versus that support or even versus that go against what I've said please share them!

[Malachi Constant]

Both don't exist, so it's kind of hard to prove one is the other.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ I can prove Ganondorf and Ganon is the same being... and those guys are deffinately not real. So whether you believe or not, there's still discussion to be had.

Originally Posted by KeeperOfCourage

Could you guys use actual verses n stuff to support your claims?

I'm only speaking for myself here but... no. Beacuse 1) So far it's pretty much common knowledge that has been said and 2) I don't have a bible, koran, or any other religious whats-it.

The God of the Bible is knowable (John 17:3) Allah is so exalted that he cannont be known personally
God is one God in three persons, Quran denies the Trinity.
God is limited by His own nature. We are told he cannot lie. Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 Whereas Allah isnt limited by anything. Said in the Quran.
Christians are saved by Grace and the intercession of Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 2:8
whereas in the Quran it teaches nothing of an intercessor

Yeah, these are examples that show us that God is different in different religions. They are still the very same being though. Had they been described the same way, christianity and islam would've been the exact same religion.

[KeeperOfCourage]

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

^
Yeah, these are examples that show us that God is different in different religions. They are still the very same being though. Had they been described the same way, christianity and islam would've been the exact same religion.

So they are different yet the same? The differences are quite large ones. Allah never had a son, God did. That changes everything! I don't see how you can say they are different and yet the same.

[Bobslob]

Originally Posted by KeeperOfCourage

The God of the Bible is knowable (John 17:3) Allah is so exalted that he cannont be known personally

Christian theology would distinguish between God's essence as is known by man (e.g., in the beatific vision), and God's essence as God knows it. Man knows God's essence, but does not comprehend it. That is to say, his mind can never completely wrap around and encompass God's essence. God, however, fully knows himself.

For this reason I would be careful with this difference-- it could be possible that Muslims rightly deny that man can comprehend what God is entirely, in which case all monotheists would have to agree that in God there is a mystery strictly beyond created intellects.

God is one God in three persons, Quran denies the Trinity.

The Koran does deny the Trinity, but Jews would also affirm that the God of the Hebrew Scriptures is not Trinitarian. After all, the Hebrew Scriptures greatly emphasize monotheism, and have no explicit revelation (as Christians believe) of the Trinity. So, unless we're unwilling to exclude Jews from worshiping the same God as Christians, we ought to be careful about excluding Muslims.

God is limited by His own nature. We are told he cannot lie. Titus 1:2, Hebrews 6:18 Whereas Allah isnt limited by anything. Said in the Quran.

This would seem to be more accurate from what I know-- but there are probably different schools of thought in Islam.

Christians are saved by Grace and the intercession of Christ Jesus, 1 Timothy 2:5, Ephesians 2:8
whereas in the Quran it teaches nothing of an intercessor

This is a difference in doctrine, surely, but in doctrine about man's relation with God, not about God. (Well, in a sense it's a difference in doctrine about God, because it all flows from it, but we must also admit that Jews do not have any explicit revelation about Jesus as mediator.)

-Rob

[KeeperOfCourage]

The Trinity isnt three gods, it's one God with three persons. Father (God), Son (Jesus) and Holy Spirit (Holy Spirit).

[Twilight Wolf]

Originally Posted by KeeperOfCourage

So they are different yet the same? The differences are quite large ones. Allah never had a son, God did. That changes everything! I don't see how you can say they are different and yet the same.

God only had a son according to Christianity. Jews and Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the son of God.

[KeeperOfCourage]

Which means they don't believe in the Christian God, because Jesus was fully God and fully man.

[Hombre de Mundo]

Originally Posted by KeeperOfCourage

So they are different yet the same? The differences are quite large ones. Allah never had a son, God did. That changes everything! I don't see how you can say they are different and yet the same.

Well, see... religion is religion. You must realise that they are just views, different ways to look upon life. Some claim God had a son, some claim he didn't. There's no way we can tell if any of them are right, and as such it would be ignorant to draw the conclusion that they're not the same because people say different things about him when they in fact do not know better than anyone else.

[KeeperOfCourage]

Sure we can tell if we're right, read the Bible.

[Erimgard]

If something as important as the basic principles of following God are different amongst the three monotheistic religions, then they are not one in the same, nor are they the same God.

[Hombre de Mundo]

^ That depends. The Christian God was one before Jesus came along. Then he changed. As such, he's not the same, but he's still same same entity.

Originally Posted by KeeperofCourgare

Sure we can tell if we're right, read the Bible.

Since we have at least three major i