Good and Evil

[ashliezeldagirl]

I have a question that has been bugging me for years. If God is all good how could he create evil? He would have had to create evil because he made Satan the prince of darkness. How could all good make evil. I am so confused.

[Bobby Emerald]

God never created evil.
Satan had a free will too, ya know. He wanted to become like god, so he was sent to hell. (loosely speaking, this is from what I remember)

[Liquid Fire]

Religiously; everything was God's creation, he gave everything the capacity to be evil so he must of created evil for it to be achievable.

[Sam250]

Good and Evil cannot be classified so easily- every action and behaviour is not categorised as either Good or Evil. But thats beside the point, and I will use these words for now...

I know that media often portait God as Good, and then they will have Satan in complete contrast for evil, but I don't think that it should work that way. God is neither Good nor Evil, he is... beyond that, so to speak. He didn't create either good or evil, but he did create free will, and therefore gave humans the capacity to do both good and evil things. Satan just happens to be one of gods creations that chose evil.

I'm 100% agnostic, by the way, and completly disagree with all organised religion, so this is my speculation, not the view of any group.

[Bobby Emerald]

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

Religiously; everything was God's creation, he gave everything the capacity to be evil so he must of created evil for it to be achievable.

God never created evil. You're saying that he must have created evil for evil to exist, right? Everyone has a choice.
EDIT
Also, what Sam250 said, I agree with.

[Liquid Fire]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

God never created evil. You're saying that he must have created evil for evil to exist, right? Everyone has a choice.

God made the limitations of what we could be (Good & Evil) hence why we aren't all like god with the world creating and such. God made freewill but he limited it at the extremes of your choices (Good & Evil)

He made the limitation, if the world didn't exist and god is all different or whatever means evil didn't exist, so he must of created it for it to be a limitation.

[Bobby Emerald]

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

God made the limitations of what we could be (Good & Evil) hence why we aren't all like god with the world creating and such. God made freewill but he limited it at the extremes of your choices (Good & Evil)

He made the limitation, if the world didn't exist and god is all different or whatever means evil didn't exist, so he must of created it for it to be a limitation.

What do you mean by this?

[ashliezeldagirl]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

God never created evil. You're saying that he must have created evil for evil to exist, right? Everyone has a choice.
EDIT
Also, what Sam250 said, I agree with.

Are you saying evil was always around? You mean there is a darkness out there that is greater then Satan? God never created it, like it always existed with him?

[GrandMoffTarkin]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

God never created evil.
Satan had a free will too, ya know. He wanted to become like god, so he was sent to hell. (loosely speaking, this is from what I remember)

I also know the next question, and I will answer it now.

God knew Satan would betray him, but God let him.

The reason we have a Satan is simple. God uses Satan as a filter.

When God created us, he gave us a choice. If we follow God's word, we will go to Heaven. If we don't, we go to Hell.

God didn't want to make people that followed him without a choice, because it wouldn't have a meaning. It's like making a robot that is programmed to love you.

Now, was Satan doomed ever since he was created? Maybe. But I think that Satan had a choice, and so did all the angels that followed Satan. God just used this to create us.

Satan hates God. So, he tries to attack God by hurting us.

Also, Satan will never turn to God and say "sorry", because Satan is way too proud of himself. Even though God created him, Satan thinks he can still defeat him.

Hope this helps.

-Joe

[Liquid Fire]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

What do you mean by this?

That god created evil, he created EVERYTHING that is achievable by human beings, evil is one of those things.

[Bobby Emerald]

Originally Posted by ashliezeldagirl

Are you saying evil was always around? You mean there is a darkness out there that is greater then Satan? God never created it, like it always existed with him?

I never said anything about a "darkness" greater than Satan! O.o
You got it wrong. Just look below.

Originally Posted by gerudoman

I also know the next question, and I will answer it now.

God knew Satan would betray him, but God let him.

The reason we have a Satan is simple. God uses Satan as a filter.

When God created us, he gave us a choice. If we follow God's word, we will go to Heaven. If we don't, we go to Hell.

God didn't want to make people that followed him without a choice, because it wouldn't have a meaning. It's like making a robot that is programmed to love you.

Now, was Satan doomed ever since he was created? Maybe. But I think that Satan had a choice, and so did all the angels that followed Satan. God just used this to create us.

Satan hates God. So, he tries to attack God by hurting us.

Also, Satan will never turn to God and say "sorry", because Satan is way too proud of himself. Even though God created him, Satan thinks he can still defeat him.

Hope this helps.

-Joe

Yep, Satan did have choice.
That's the answer to your question, ashliezeldagirl.
The mods should lock this when "ashliezeldagirl" is done answering questions. This is not a thread for arguing....

[Sam250]

Another thing that I would like to add is that you cannot bind a spiritual/supernatural being by human laws and rules. Ethics, right and wrong, and morality and all concepts created by mankind. Do you think a plant worries about ethics? God may not be a plant, but he certainly is not human. Do not think of God in terms of Good and Evil. He created humans, who created good and evil. God is beyond that, and though it is said that he urges humans to be 'Good'.. [point ran out of steam right about here]

Originally Posted by ashliezeldagirl

I have a question that has been bugging me for years. If God is all good how could he create evil? He would have had to create evil because he made Satan the prince of darkness. How could all good make evil. I am so confused.

Some things to think on:
Maybe god is not 'all good'. Benevolant, yes, but if Good and Evil have existed only as concepts made by man, then God is not 'all good', he just choose the path of least evil.
Also, who is to say that God is all good? Read the Old Testament; God is no stranger to burning villages, drowning sinners, and swallowing towns whole. I can't explain it, but I doubt that God is the 100% benevolant loving hippie we all make him out ot be.

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

The mods should lock this when "ashliezeldagirl" is done answering questions. This is not a thread for arguing....

I don't think there is any need for that. Come, we are having a disscusion

[Bobby Emerald]

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

That god created evil, he created EVERYTHING that is achievable by human beings, evil is one of those things.

....The hell would God create evil as a limitation? Just because people can do "evil" things, does not mean God created evil. He did not create evil. He created free will.
EDIT
Nevermind (if you will), sam answered better than I did.

[Liquid Fire]

Also to prove my point, god created SIN which is pretty much evil (according to jesus, the bible and the dictionary)

So God created Evil

[Sam250]

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

Also to prove my point, god created SIN which is pretty much evil (according to jesus, the bible and the dictionary)

So God created Evil

Ha, because the dictionary is the known expert on this matter, yes? God created Sin? Find me a bible quote... and I will still argue! The bible is a 2000 year old document that has suffered mistranslation and mis-interpration. Lets leave the Bible out of this, yes?

So, if God created Sin, and yet urges us to avoid it... why? yes, I have already said that we should not try to bind this deity to ideas humans would find normal, which is why I am hesitant in making this point, but... why?

[Liquid Fire]

If god created Everything that we know, how comes Evil & Sin aren't falling into that category?

[GrandMoffTarkin]

Originally Posted by Liquid Fire

Also to prove my point, god created SIN which is pretty much evil (according to jesus, the bible and the dictionary)

So God created Evil

Actually, Satan created evil.

Remember the story of Adam and Eve?

Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, even though God told them not to eat from it.

This cursed Adam and Eve, and this is how evil came to our world.

This all starts on Genesis 2:4 if you want to read it.

[ZephyBlaze77]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

God never created evil. You're saying that he must have created evil for evil to exist, right? Everyone has a choice.
EDIT
Also, what Sam250 said, I agree with.

If that were true, then "evil" has the possibility to take over, which can't happen because God HAS CONTROL OVER EvERYTHING, which = God created everyyhing. the phisical world is just not real that much and we get confused easily.

EDIT: Also, who said that the REAL bible hasn't been changed over the centuries?

[Sam250]

Originally Posted by Bobby Emerald

And sin is NOT the equivalent of evil.

Interesting point, actually- Sin is turning your back on God, not nessicarally the same as the moral negativity that we call 'evil'. You could, I suppose, be a Sinner whilst living a perfectly spiritual and morally correct life, becuase you are a strict athiest.

And if we really want to get nit-picky, we could also say that God did not create Sin at all; Sin is a word we use for estrangement from god, and therefore exists just because God exists in the mind of humans.

[GrandMoffTarkin]

Originally Posted by YUIOP

If that were true, then "evil" has the possibility to take over, which can't happen because God HAS CONTROL OVER EvERYTHING, which = God created everyyhing. the phisical world is just not real that much and we get confused easily.

EDIT: Also, who said that the REAL bible hasn't been changed over the centuries?

Just because God gave us a choice to do evil, it doesn't mean he created it. He is just allowing us to do as we please.

[Liquid Fire]

Originally Posted by gerudoman

Actually, Satan created evil.

Remember the story of Adam and Eve?

Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, even though God told them not to eat from it.

This cursed Adam and Eve, and this is how evil came to our world.

This all starts on Genesis 2:4 if you want to read it.

Ok, now this is where I start thinking like this

Originally Posted by Tempest

God's kind of a dick

its had a lil edit I know.

BUT If god is all knowing and knows what we all are going to do, then why did he create satan just to let him betray him, then why bother creating adam and eve (which makes us all inbred, ew . . . ) just to know they'll let curiosity get the better of them and curse them (and all of us) to this non paradise of a world. Kind of god just making toy soldiers to put them on a wall and knock them down different objects really.

And as I said god created EVERYTHING sin & evil are included in that, if he didn't create it, it wouldn't exist and evil & sin exists (religiously) so he must of made it, things don't just create themselves, God started this whole thing, he can see how it'll end so he knows what he made and whats going to be happening.

[Awkin]

Actually, Satan created evil.

Remember the story of Adam and Eve?

Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, even though God told them not to eat from it.

This cursed Adam and Eve, and this is how evil came to our world.

This all starts on Genesis 2:4 if you want to read it.

This is based on knowledge gained from the Christian holy teachings. IT doesn't mean I agree with it -- it's just my interpretation of the teachings of the bible.

But the orginal sin is what separates us from the animals. I interpreted it as not that the fruit actually caused sin -- but rather the capacity for sin within the humans.

As in, the right to choose. If you choose to become sinful that's your choice, but any good that you do should be as a product of free will -- you learn more from Jihad and striving towards felicity (and failing at the beginning) that you ever would from having no option but the right choice.

See, the option was there for the humans to live like the animals, in blissful dumbness -- not accountable for their actions, but they had the choice to go against this and it's only through that sin, and the choice and learning that came from that that we can learn anything -- 'cause you can shout it at someone as much as you like, but they'll only truly learn once they understand within themselves that is prevalent, or commonly sensical at this moment in time.

And that it's entirely probable that the God knew this.

The buddhists believe in a cycle of life -- that we are all once, and again will be, Gods. But we live a life free from struggle, and without hardship you cannot learn. Gods live a life of bliss, and without the presence of the Tai-Chi they grow both dumb, and then discontent. To be human is to know struggle, and it makes you stronger. If you lived in a Utopian solitary confinement, you'd leave this world as you entered it -- mindless and unlearned.

EDIT: It was on-topic when I started ^__^;