Summoning Demons... lol?

[Sloths Rule]

Okay, so I know some people online that think they can summon demons, and they talk to them and stuff. It's basically their life to do this.

So um... are they crazy? What do you think about this? It just sounds absurd to me... :/

Sorry I don't have much written in this post. There isn't that much to say from me.

(THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DEBATE THREAD!!!)

[Nietzsche]

<.<; uhm, I'm a Wicca. We practice ritual magic. Demons and spirits are quite capable of communicating to the world, and it really *isn't* that difficult of a process to summon one. Now whether they'll do anything is another story. There's three types of magic. Green, White and Black. Green Magic is nature magic. This involves the elements. Air, Fire, Earth & Water. Then there's White magic. White Magic is 'luck magic' more or less. To better ones, or anothers, odds at a task, or to ward off an evil spirit or a hurtful demon. Then there's Black magic. Now, black magic isn't inherently evil. It's the "Summoning" magic. Most Black Magic is aggressive and can be used easily for ones' own gains to hurt others. Demons, spirits, elemental spirits, ect. Demons aren't all evil, spirits aren't all good, and elemental spirits are just manifestations of the elements.


>_>; but, I doubt the people you're talking about know anything about Wicca or any sort of Paganism..

[Spearhead]

Since I'm catholic, I vaguely believe in angels and demons (vaguely meaning I'm sskeptic about the said belief). However, these people are either one of two things: crazy and high on the most powerful drug anyone can think of, or, in the case of exorcisms, want your money and will charge you $1000 for it.

In the case of exorcisms, if they could actually summon demons and get rid of them, they'd gladly do it for free.

[OubliantLeSang]

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

<.<; uhm, I'm a Wicca. We practice ritual magic. Demons and spirits are quite capable of communicating to the world, and it really *isn't* that difficult of a process to summon one. Now whether they'll do anything is another story. There's three types of magic. Green, White and Black. Green Magic is nature magic. This involves the elements. Air, Fire, Earth & Water. Then there's White magic. White Magic is 'luck magic' more or less. To better ones, or anothers, odds at a task, or to ward off an evil spirit or a hurtful demon. Then there's Black magic. Now, black magic isn't inherently evil. It's the "Summoning" magic. Most Black Magic is aggressive and can be used easily for ones' own gains to hurt others. Demons, spirits, elemental spirits, ect. Demons aren't all evil, spirits aren't all good, and elemental spirits are just manifestations of the elements.


>_>; but, I doubt the people you're talking about know anything about Wicca or any sort of Paganism..

Summoning isn't "magic". It's called Evocation, and Daemonic beings are ancient and hidden beings, most older than the earth itself.

"Black Magic" however, is the Luciferian practice of ritual IE: The Binding of Shadows, Vox Sabbatum, and blah blah blah. It has really nothing to do with evocation...

Neither of these are Wiccan practices...

[Zien]

I think the term is black magic and or witchcraft.

People do study it, people who want to know alittle about spirts, ect check books from the book store to do it. I saw a reinactic of someone trying to summon a spirt on the show ''A Haunting''. People who are into spirts, ect are willing to summon a dead spirt to talk to, ect. Sometimes the person could summon a bad spirt who is like a deamon and other times a spirt who is kind, ect. I find it odd, though it is a person's choice.

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by OubliantLeSang

Summoning isn't "magic". It's called Evocation, and Daemonic beings are ancient and hidden beings, most older than the earth itself.

"Black Magic" however, is the Luciferian practice of ritual IE: The Binding of Shadows, Vox Sabbatum, and blah blah blah. It has really nothing to do with evocation...

Neither of these are Wiccan practices...

You're confused. Black Magic is just a title. It implies it's general purpose. Which is to be used for revenge, ect. However, it should be noted that theres a Rule of 3. Whatever you do, will be returned you three times as good or bad as what you did.



And Luciferian Magic would be White Magic, for "Lucifer" means "Light Bringer".

(there's lots of Judeo-Christian angels and such that can be used in Wiccan pantheons).

[OubliantLeSang]

Originally Posted by Zelda Ninja

I think the term is black magic and or witchcraft.

People do study it, people who want to know alittle about spirts, ect check books from the book store to do it. I saw a reinactic of someone trying to summon a spirt on the show ''A Haunting''. People who are into spirts, ect are willing to summon a dead spirt to talk to, ect. Sometimes the person could summon a bad spirt who is like a deamon and other times a spirt who is kind, ect. I find it odd, though it is a person's choice.

COmplete bull**** in my opinion. Attemps at capitalizing off of previous writings on Necromancy and Azrealism.

[Zien]

It was a reinactment, I did not say that is really happened and that it was real. It was a tv show, they did not record all of it so it had to be done to show what it would of been like.

[GDwarf]

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

<.<; uhm, I'm a Wicca. We practice ritual magic. Demons and spirits are quite capable of communicating to the world, and it really *isn't* that difficult of a process to summon one. Now whether they'll do anything is another story. There's three types of magic. Green, White and Black. Green Magic is nature magic. This involves the elements. Air, Fire, Earth & Water. Then there's White magic. White Magic is 'luck magic' more or less. To better ones, or anothers, odds at a task, or to ward off an evil spirit or a hurtful demon. Then there's Black magic. Now, black magic isn't inherently evil. It's the "Summoning" magic. Most Black Magic is aggressive and can be used easily for ones' own gains to hurt others. Demons, spirits, elemental spirits, ect. Demons aren't all evil, spirits aren't all good, and elemental spirits are just manifestations of the elements.


>_>; but, I doubt the people you're talking about know anything about Wicca or any sort of Paganism..

Do you, in fact, have any proof though?

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by GDwarf

Do you, in fact, have any proof though?

No. I can't give proof. That's why it's faith & belief, and not fact. Evolution for example, is fact. What I believe requires faith.

[T-Nemesis]

You're right, it is absurd and apparently many people are crazy. Demons do not exist.

[Akìtsune]

This is going to lead into Faith/Religion.
If you believe in Wicca or anything that has to deal with Demons or Devils, then no one can tell you otherwise. It is a matter of Faith indeed. Wether or not you are willing to take that leap is completely up to you.

[Sloths Rule]

Oh, it's just faith and belief. I thought the demons were literally talking to them and stuff. Okay, now I know it's bullspit. Thread over for me.

(I know I should be tolerant of people's beliefs, but I don't really want to support demons or anything)

[Nietzsche]

Originally Posted by Sloths Rule

Oh, it's just faith and belief. I thought the demons were literally talking to them and stuff. Okay, now I know it's bullspit. Thread over for me.

(I know I should be tolerant of people's beliefs, but I don't really want to support demons or anything)

<_< uhm, that was just my suggestion. I highly doubt they're serious about it.

[Tazryl]

Being tolerant of something doesnt mean you support it.

Personally I think this is just a way for them to make themselves seem more special then they actually are.

[Sloths Rule]

Originally Posted by Tazryl

Being tolerant of something doesnt mean you support it.

I know I couldn't think of a word.

[Lord Westcott]

This stuff is of great interest to me. In a recent test (Belief-O-Matic) I was told that neo-paganism is my ideal religion, which surprised me slightly.Yet, it has always interested me. I intend to get a PhD in psychology, and I wish to specialise in parapsychology, in areas such as these. I would be greatly interested to hear anything any of you have to tell me about such subjects.

And for the record, I do not consider it bull - it MAY be, for all I know, or it may be absolutely spot on accurate. My studies may tell me more...

[OubliantLeSang]

It's only considered a beleif at this point because science has no means of proving it yet.
Give it time... though, like I said.
Might as well yell out your back door for a job than try finding a daemon.
You'd have better luck.
And for the record. Most Neopagans have made up their own little story as to what demons are, especially Wiccans. These things have no reflection on the actual practice of evocation.

[jokergirl]

Well.. I usually summon demons. They make good company ^^. I just wish i was possesed just this one time...Summoning demons is for real and is not fake. I actually draw summoning circles every now and then.

[Sloths Rule]

Originally Posted by jokergirl

Well.. I usually summon demons. They make good company ^^. I just wish i was possesed just this one time...Summoning demons is for real and is not fake. I actually draw summoning circles every now and then.

Okay... What happens when you summon them? Can you be really specific?

[jokergirl]

Originally Posted by Sloths Rule

Okay... What happens when you summon them? Can you be really specific?

Well..Normally i'll just hear their voices talking to me.And i'll talk back..
However sometimes they have appeared before me. Not in their physical form but merely as an image in front of me. Kind of like a Hologram. Anyways..It was long time ago i actually did this..So im not sure i remember the correct ritual of summoning them again. I think i have the correct summoning circle writtten down somewhere...

[Λύσις]

Originally Posted by Sloths Rule

Okay, so I know some people online that think they can summon demons, and they talk to them and stuff. It's basically their life to do this.

So um... are they crazy? What do you think about this? It just sounds absurd to me... :/

Sorry I don't have much written in this post. There isn't that much to say from me.

(THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS DEBATE THREAD!!!)

Actually, this is a religious debate thread. Demons are religious entities, after all.

As for the topic, there is absolutely zero evidence for demon summoning, or even demons for that matter. And none of that "it's all about faith" stuff. If you can physically summon something, than there must be some physical evidence of its presence. I could simply "believe" that there is an invisible demon in my room, but why would I assume that to be true unless there was something physical to convince me?