Could Nintendo change the series?

I don't think I'll live to see another great Zelda game...

Well said.

Originally Posted by Seen

Zelda could try a more massive land. Like the AT Hyrule is said to be. Maybe having MORE strict medevil settings would be better. We haven't seen that since the NES games. I really don't want to see Link in the generic JRPG Steampunk settings a few people want to see.


And why would you even NEED guns in Zelda? Arrows work the exact same way gameplay wise.

Why need guns? If Hyrule were in a different era, then maybe as something to help gameplay immersion, though a 'steam powered bow and arrow' could work in it's place.

Originally Posted by Seen

Zelda could try a more massive land. Like the AT Hyrule is said to be. Maybe having MORE strict medevil settings would be better. We haven't seen that since the NES games. I really don't want to see Link in the generic JRPG Steampunk settings a few people want to see.


And why would you even NEED guns in Zelda? Arrows work the exact same way gameplay wise.

This.

It's a good idea, guys.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I think the Zelda franchise should go in a new direction of more mature themes such as more graphic violence and finally making an adult Link who is not a pure hearted eternal virgin who has no hope of ever getting laid. But I know that will never happen.

Isn't there a thread on this?

Anyhow, more mature themes DO NOT make a game better, contrary to popular belief. The gameplay, storyline, and characters do!

If we are to improve a Zelda game, we must focus on those three things, and not sex and violence. For, if Nintendo were to focus more on those things than the other three, the series would take a plunge, and it would be big!

Originally Posted by Fulcon

Why need guns? If Hyrule were in a different era, then maybe as something to help gameplay immersion, though a 'steam powered bow and arrow' could work in it's place.

That's the thing! Why do we want Hyrule in a different era? Why is this necessary? What games do you know that change from era to era?

To be honest, this would only make the problem worse, as the general fanbase would not accept it, me included. We are used to Zelda being less modern, and more medieval. This is the accepted Zelda theme. And it doesn't need to be changed, because there are lots of game out there already that have guns, sex innuendos, and violence! Please, let's not make Zelda another one!

Originally Posted by LinkdOOd110

Isn't there a thread on this?

Anyhow, more mature themes DO NOT make a game better, contrary to popular belief. The gameplay, storyline, and characters do!

If we are to improve a Zelda game, we must focus on those three things, and not sex and violence.

Like I said before I understand that a more graphically violent Zelda game is highly unlikely. But I would still like a more mature Link who is not an adorably shy & politely gullible sweetheart.

Its reasonably possible to have a more mature silent protagonist who is still responsible and respectful, that doesn't have to be an extreme fangirly ideal of an adorably sweet and over polite super nice guy that is relatively annoying and hard to relate to IMO.

If zelda wii was in first person and focused soley on guns, I wouldn't care cause and I trust Nintendo to do a good job. When oot came out people said 3d wouldn't work, WW they said cel shading graphics would be to weird. And both turned out great. So why can't zelda wii be focased on guns?

Because it won't. After playing wii sports resort with motion plus, I'm positive It will there will be motion plus in zelda wii, and that won't work for guns. Three mini games caught my interest, sword play, archery and the airplane game.

Sword play is obvious, the show down was pretty cool, and I could imagine fighting up death mountain in the same way. Archery was a little slow pace but they could fix that easy.

And the airplane.. in every 3d game there was fast way of travel, oot/MM/TP had Epona, WW/PH had a boat, and ST has a train. Wouldn't it be cool if zelda wii had a airplane?
I not talking jet planes here, just something like the 1909 Bleriot.

In conclusion, zelda might have guns someday, but not until Nintendo squeezes every penny out of motion plus, and zelda is the way they will do that.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Like I said before I understand that a more graphically violent Zelda game is highly unlikely. But I would still like a more mature Link who is not an adorably shy & politely gullible sweetheart.

Its reasonably possible to have a more mature silent protagonist who is still responsible and respectful, that doesn't have to be an extreme fangirly ideal of an adorably sweet and over polite super nice guy that is relatively annoying and hard to relate to IMO.

TP had this! He wasn't the cutesy type, he wasn't even "overly polite", as he showed Midna an attitude at the beginning. TP was more mature than, say, TWW. Even OoT and MM had aspects of what you're talking about. What more could you want?

Originally Posted by The_Stig

If zelda wii was in first person and focused soley on guns, I wouldn't care cause and I trust Nintendo to do a good job. When oot came out people said 3d wouldn't work, WW they said cel shading graphics would be to weird. And both turned out great. So why can't zelda wii be focased on guns?

Because it won't. After playing wii sports resort with motion plus, I'm positive It will there will be motion plus in zelda wii, and that won't work for guns. Three mini games caught my interest, sword play, archery and the airplane game.

Sword play is obvious, the show down was pretty cool, and I could imagine fighting up death mountain in the same way. Archery was a little slow pace but they could fix that easy.

And the airplane.. in every 3d game there was fast way of travel, oot/MM/TP had Epona, WW/PH had a boat, and ST has a train. Wouldn't it be cool if zelda wii had a airplane?
I not talking jet planes here, just something like the 1909 Bleriot.

In conclusion, zelda might have guns someday, but not until Nintendo squeezes every penny out of motion plus, and zelda is the way they will do that.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: GUNS ARE AN EXTREMELY BAD IDEA FOR A ZELDA GAME!

Why anyone would want guns to make an appearance in a game like Zelda is beyond me! It's a game set back to medieval-like times. No advanced technology at all, if you'd pay attention. This adds a certain feel to the game that wouldn't be there if there were things such as factories, cars, airplanes, and, of course, guns.

Link is the Hero of Time in OoT/MM, known for saving Hyrule through time, and using a great and revered weapon, the Master Sword, Evil's Bane. Many would agree that it's a great story. Link, nothing more than a child who knows nada about sword-play, finds himself facing situations in which he has to save friends, new and old, as well as cast down the evil that is Ganondorf. To do this, he must wield the Master Sword, but can't do it, and so wakes up to find himself 7 years older.

Throughout the game, he faces many enemies, and learns to best them with his sword, one step at a time. He picks up items along the way to help him, and helps others out. And we see all sorts of towns, such as Kakariko, Lon Lon Ranch, Hyrule Castle, and more. And we mustn't forget Link's hard-earned horse, Epona.

Now, imagine a similar game, only with guns, cars, and other modern-day equipment. Good-bye Master Sword, you've been replaced with the Master Gun, the only gun that could ever land a bullet on Ganondorf. Good-bye Epona, you've been a good horse, but Link now has a motorbike and/or car that runs a lot faster than you. Why, hello, Ganondorf. Oh, you're real tough, huh? Yeah, well, I have a gun! Watch as I shoot you down like the pidgeon you are! Now try to imagine Kakariko with factories polluting the air, cars going here and there, and TVs playing in the background.

It doesn't work. With this story, or any other. Why? Because Zelda is a game set back in the medieval-like period. It wasn't made for guns, cars, motorbikes, or otherwise! It was made to give you that feeling of epic adventure with swords and horses, bows and arrows, as well as scenary.

In my opinion, TWW's branch has taken a turn for the worse with this train thing in ST. I liked the boat in TWW, and the one in PH. But a train? It's going too far.

Originally Posted by LinkdOOd110

TP had this! He wasn't the cutesy type, he wasn't even "overly polite", as he showed Midna an attitude at the beginning. TP was more mature than, say, TWW. Even OoT and MM had aspects of what you're talking about. What more could you want?

True...but I was still annoyed by how TP Link allowed Ilia to walk all over him when she took away Epona. And I was also a little annoyed that after Link obtained the MS, he becomes this forgiving angelic sweet heart doing Midna's bidding after how rude she was to him previously.

IMO WW Link had more motive in his quest in order to save his sister which I liked a lot. TP and OOT/MM Link both felt like they were just politely following orders more than anything. I admit in TP Link's case, he was forced in the beginning. But I think the next adult Link should be more like WW Link except more grown up with a similar charismatic personality that is not as annoying as the other 3D Links.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

True...but I was still annoyed by how TP Link allowed Ilia to walk all over him when she took away Epona. And I was also a little annoyed that after Link obtained the MS, he becomes this forgiving angelic sweet heart doing Midna's bidding after how rude she was to him previously.

IMO WW Link had more motive in his quest in order to save his sister which I liked a lot. TP and OOT/MM Link both felt like they were just politely following orders more than anything. I admit in TP Link's case, he was forced in the beginning. But I think the next adult Link should be more like WW Link except more grown up with a similar charismatic personality that is not as annoying as the other 3D Links.

You have some very good points here.

I noticed that Link just kinda let the girls trample him towards the end. In my opinion, he should have done something to get Midna back. Not necessarily anything big, but just something. Like not letting her go into the Twilight Realm to never come back, for instance. She became a very likable character to me, and I was sad to see her go like that. And Link let it happen, which is even worse.

As for WW Link, I did really like how he cared so much for his little sister. He put his life on the line to save her, then went on to bigger and better things once he knew she was safe. ^^

For OoT/MM Link, you do have a very good point. I mean, in the beginning of MM, Link was supposed to be looking for a friend. Yet, he seemed to just give up entirely once Skull Kid came along. It suddenly became about getting his horse and ocarina back, and then to stopping the moon (which is, granted, important). But he seemed content just letting everything happening and dealing with it. And OoT Link didn't even have a motive at first: he just did what everyone told him.

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed all the 3D Zelda games to some degree or the other. I too liked Midna as well and she won me over at the end. But I was still mad at her when Link obtained the MS at that part of the quest. Though I can't claim WW as my favorite Zelda game, but I liked the way WW Link was portrayed in having a more charismatic personality with more motive than the other 3D Links. I would hope that the next Wii Zelda game could expand on that aspect with a new adult Link.

Originally Posted by LinkdOOd110

TP had this! He wasn't the cutesy type, he wasn't even "overly polite", as he showed Midna an attitude at the beginning. TP was more mature than, say, TWW. Even OoT and MM had aspects of what you're talking about. What more could you want?


If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: GUNS ARE AN EXTREMELY BAD IDEA FOR A ZELDA GAME!

Why anyone would want guns to make an appearance in a game like Zelda is beyond me! It's a game set back to medieval-like times. No advanced technology at all, if you'd pay attention. This adds a certain feel to the game that wouldn't be there if there were things such as factories, cars, airplanes, and, of course, guns.

Link is the Hero of Time in OoT/MM, known for saving Hyrule through time, and using a great and revered weapon, the Master Sword, Evil's Bane. Many would agree that it's a great story. Link, nothing more than a child who knows nada about sword-play, finds himself facing situations in which he has to save friends, new and old, as well as cast down the evil that is Ganondorf. To do this, he must wield the Master Sword, but can't do it, and so wakes up to find himself 7 years older.

Throughout the game, he faces many enemies, and learns to best them with his sword, one step at a time. He picks up items along the way to help him, and helps others out. And we see all sorts of towns, such as Kakariko, Lon Lon Ranch, Hyrule Castle, and more. And we mustn't forget Link's hard-earned horse, Epona.

Now, imagine a similar game, only with guns, cars, and other modern-day equipment. Good-bye Master Sword, you've been replaced with the Master Gun, the only gun that could ever land a bullet on Ganondorf. Good-bye Epona, you've been a good horse, but Link now has a motorbike and/or car that runs a lot faster than you. Why, hello, Ganondorf. Oh, you're real tough, huh? Yeah, well, I have a gun! Watch as I shoot you down like the pidgeon you are! Now try to imagine Kakariko with factories polluting the air, cars going here and there, and TVs playing in the background.

It doesn't work. With this story, or any other. Why? Because Zelda is a game set back in the medieval-like period. It wasn't made for guns, cars, motorbikes, or otherwise! It was made to give you that feeling of epic adventure with swords and horses, bows and arrows, as well as scenary.

In my opinion, TWW's branch has taken a turn for the worse with this train thing in ST. I liked the boat in TWW, and the one in PH. But a train? It's going too far.

Here, allow me to explain a couple things to you.

#1: Guns would show that Hyrule is jumping forward. And Hyrule is always changing, as evidenced by Windwaker. An advanced world would be unique in the same vein as WW, but being different as well. Bombs are proof of gun-powder. So it's not the much of a leap to assume, that one day, that some Hyrule scientist will combine the simplicity of the bomb with a micro-cannon. It's a dynamic world. And if you were paying attention, WW was set WAY AFTER the Medieval ages. Actually, since they had cannons, the Bow and Arrow in that game makes no sense. Since WW was one of the best Zelda cames partly because of it's uniqueness, and that you don't want to repeat another truly unique game, as in unique to the series, is startling.

#2: Yeah, your right. It was a great story. Different eras allow for different and cool stories. That is truly medieval and good, I agree with you.

#3: You haven't been listening to me! A gun is only as powerful as the designer wants it too be. And besides, the era could work if you let it work. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Gannondorf would have some sort of magical shield that prevents the bullets from hitting him. Wouldn't stop the Master Sword, however, because the Master Sword is the BLADE OF FREAKING EVIL'S BANE. Why are you underestimating this wonderous blade?

#4: And enviroment like that for Kakariko could work. In fact, I bet it could work. It'd still be Zelda, but it would be a massively different flavor, but with some little somethings of the original that make it what it is. The only reason you say it wouldn't work is because you don't want it to work.

#5: The train is not going to far. You don't know if it's going to far because you haven't played the game. Do you know what the train is? A bunch of game mechanics that allow for faster travel dressed up in the western era.

#6 (because I got it out of order): Zelda was made to give you a feeling of epicness. That can be felt with any era, story, or otherwise. It just depends on execution. Theatrically putting your sword away after beating a tough boss? Epic. Assuming the classic bad-*** horseman pose on a Hover-bike after winning an ariel jousting game? Also epic. It just depends on execution.

#7: A game who constantly switched eras and enviroments could set the series even farther apart from the rest, and give designers and story writers infinit ammo with which to tell the story and present the characters. There's only so many times we can do medieval times again before it becomes rediculously stale.

Incidentally, if the change in era makes an awesome game, you'd probably be a reluctant supporter. Because good gameplay, good characters and good story are what matters; era and enviroment are just things to help present that.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed all the 3D Zelda games to some degree or the other. I too liked Midna as well and she won me over at the end. But I was still mad at her when Link obtained the MS at that part of the quest. Though I can't claim WW as my favorite Zelda game, but I liked the way WW Link was portrayed in having a more charismatic personality with more motive than the other 3D Links. I would hope that the next Wii Zelda game could expand on that aspect with a new adult Link.

As did I. The 3D Zelda games were good games, even if Link is a pushover. Like you said, they need to make him stand up more for himself, have a good motive, not be pushed and shoved around by little imps, and etc. Charisma was a really good thing in TWW, and could certainly be added into the upcoming Wii Zelda game.

Originally Posted by Fulcon

Here, allow me to explain a couple things to you.

*Sighs*

Here we go again.

#1: Guns would show that Hyrule is jumping forward. And Hyrule is always changing, as evidenced by Windwaker. An advanced world would be unique in the same vein as WW, but being different as well. Bombs are proof of gun-powder. So it's not the much of a leap to assume, that one day, that some Hyrule scientist will combine the simplicity of the bomb with a micro-cannon. It's a dynamic world. And if you were paying attention, WW was set WAY AFTER the Medieval ages. Actually, since they had cannons, the Bow and Arrow in that game makes no sense. Since WW was one of the best Zelda cames partly because of it's uniqueness, and that you don't want to repeat another truly unique game, as in unique to the series, is startling.

TWW is going on a branch that seems to be evolving technologically, yes. However, guns are still iffy to me at best. What made the cannon so cool was that it made sea battles easier, and added a cool aspect to TWW game. In fact, I'm starting to think it may get to the point of guns being a weapon, seeing as how ST has a train. Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing? I can't be 100% certain yet, but, in my opinion, this is a bad idea. I guess I should have seen it coming, but it still doesn't quite ring true for me. My question is: why?

Why does Zelda need to go here? Is there some master plot somewhere, laying in store for the game designers to see? If there is one, how does it end? Where does it end? Does it end? Why is TWW branching off so far from other Zelda games? How does it tie in to everything else?

I guess all we can do is trust Nintendo, but I'm beginning to wonder about them. ST seems to be going somewhere I've never wanted it to go. Don't get me wrong, I'm still getting the game. And when I do get it, I'm going to play through it and give it an honest and fair review about the technology popping up in the game and such.

#2: Yeah, your right. It was a great story. Different eras allow for different and cool stories. That is truly medieval and good, I agree with you.

Yes. And isn't that one of the things we've come to accept with Zelda games in general? TWW is morphing the series, however, and I'm not so certain about it. I just wonder what the new Wii Zelda game is going to be like at this point.

#3: You haven't been listening to me! A gun is only as powerful as the designer wants it too be. And besides, the era could work if you let it work. Besides, I'm pretty sure that Gannondorf would have some sort of magical shield that prevents the bullets from hitting him. Wouldn't stop the Master Sword, however, because the Master Sword is the BLADE OF FREAKING EVIL'S BANE. Why are you underestimating this wonderous blade?

But that's all that amazing sword would ever be used for! Its power would suddenly be lessened by the fact that you won't use it as much? And why? Because IT'S A GUN! Why use a sword in combat, when you can just take out your gun and blast it 'til it drops? Answer me that! There goes most of the wonderful strategy you use when you're doing sword combat with an enemy.

And here I'll just go ahead and say that the LACK OF GUNS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THE ZELDA SERIES! It would lose a lot of its luster for me if guns were introduced into the game. Good-bye sword strategy, hello blast-'em-'til-they-drop approach.

I've always loved Zelda's medieval theme, and I know I'm not the only one!

#4: And enviroment like that for Kakariko could work. In fact, I bet it could work. It'd still be Zelda, but it would be a massively different flavor, but with some little somethings of the original that make it what it is. The only reason you say it wouldn't work is because you don't want it to work.

It would change drastically. You and I both know that. It wouldn't even feel like Kakariko to me anymore.

#5: The train is not going to far. You don't know if it's going to far because you haven't played the game. Do you know what the train is? A bunch of game mechanics that allow for faster travel dressed up in the western era.

You're right, I haven't played the game yet. And neither have you. How do you know it's not going too far? I will get the game, play it through to the end, then give you my honest opinion about that train. It's not impressed me much yet, though, from what I've seen on the trailers.

#6 (because I got it out of order): Zelda was made to give you a feeling of epicness. That can be felt with any era, story, or otherwise. It just depends on execution. Theatrically putting your sword away after beating a tough boss? Epic. Assuming the classic bad-*** horseman pose on a Hover-bike after winning an ariel jousting game? Also epic. It just depends on execution.

The bike takes something away from it for me. It would be a lot cooler to have an air jousting fight on a dragon, than on a hovering bike. Maybe even a Pegasus, or some large species of bird. Just not a bike.

#7: A game who constantly switched eras and enviroments could set the series even farther apart from the rest, and give designers and story writers infinit ammo with which to tell the story and present the characters. There's only so many times we can do medieval times again before it becomes rediculously stale.

Well, if we're talking about things becoming stale, guns are. They're in how many video games already? Please, let's leave this series, at least, gun-free.

Incidentally, if the change in era makes an awesome game, you'd probably be a reluctant supporter. Because good gameplay, good characters and good story are what matters; era and enviroment are just things to help present that.

Yes, but it also depends on the game itself. The mood, theme, etc. are adding factors to what makes a good game. One of the many things I liked about the Zelda series as a whole, is that it doesn't depend on things like guns to make it good. Lots of games today have these guns you so adore. Why not go play them when you want to shoot monsters down? Why does Zelda have to become just another game with that aspect?

A serious steampunk Zelda could have been done well, shame about it being used on the Toon Link series.

Originally Posted by LinkdOOd110

*Sighs*

Here we go again.

I will not stop until I've won. That is something I've learned.

TWW is going on a branch that seems to be evolving technologically, yes. However, guns are still iffy to me at best. What made the cannon so cool was that it made sea battles easier, and added a cool aspect to TWW game. In fact, I'm starting to think it may get to the point of guns being a weapon, seeing as how ST has a train. Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing? I can't be 100% certain yet, but, in my opinion, this is a bad idea. I guess I should have seen it coming, but it still doesn't quite ring true for me. My question is: why?

Why does Zelda need to go here? Is there some master plot somewhere, laying in store for the game designers to see? If there is one, how does it end? Where does it end? Does it end? Why is TWW branching off so far from other Zelda games? How does it tie in to everything else?

Why does it need to go there? Because there isn't anywhere else to go! Every other possible direction that it can go that I can think of has been done! There's only one direction to go from what I can see, and if it comes to either moving in that direction of simply staying still, I'll take the moving forward!

I guess all we can do is trust Nintendo, but I'm beginning to wonder about them. ST seems to be going somewhere I've never wanted it to go. Don't get me wrong, I'm still getting the game. And when I do get it, I'm going to play through it and give it an honest and fair review about the technology popping up in the game and such.

I suppose that's all I can expect, huh?

Yes. And isn't that one of the things we've come to accept with Zelda games in general? TWW is morphing the series, however, and I'm not so certain about it. I just wonder what the new Wii Zelda game is going to be like at this point.

No, what I've come to accept is a unique game-play experience from title to title. If Nintendo can't do that with it's current options in Medieval times (I don't think it can) then it has to move forward to a place where it can.

But that's all that amazing sword would ever be used for! Its power would suddenly be lessened by the fact that you won't use it as much? And why? Because IT'S A GUN! Why use a sword in combat, when you can just take out your gun and blast it 'til it drops? Answer me that! There goes most of the wonderful strategy you use when you're doing sword combat with an enemy.

And here I'll just go ahead and say that the LACK OF GUNS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THE ZELDA SERIES! It would lose a lot of its luster for me if guns were introduced into the game. Good-bye sword strategy, hello blast-'em-'til-they-drop approach.

Oh, really? Is that what you do when you get the Bow and Arrow? Blast them with arrows until they drop? Cause that's exactly what your describing! The same limitation would apply! And there are tons of different ways to balance guns vs the bow if you must have the gun do more damage than the bow (that's optional, by the way).

#1: Less ammo. First ammo belt/pouch can only hold five bullets, bigger belt for 10 and then 15. Can only buy bullets at a specific store in town.

#2: Give it a longer re-load time than it takes to knock an arrow.

#3: Have the gun take a bullet and a bomb at the same time to fire. The bullet to be launched and the bomb to launch the bullet.

Really, thinking things through is not that hard.

I've always loved Zelda's medieval theme, and I know I'm not the only one!

You know, when Nintendo has completely run out of things to do for the next game (like I say they have), they'll rehash the game over and over. Eventually, people will become bored of doing the same thing (with varying orders) that they'll stop playing Zelda until the next big innovation. So in other words, pretty soon you and about five other people on the planet will love the Medieval theme.

It would change drastically. You and I both know that. It wouldn't even feel like Kakariko to me anymore.

The Kakariko village in TP didn't feel at all like Kakariko because I was used to the one in OoT. because the one in OoT was a standard fantasy village, and the Kakariko Village in TP felt like a traditional Wild West town. That was until I got used to the one in TP, and I think I could get used to it again.

You're right, I haven't played the game yet. And neither have you. How do you know it's not going too far? I will get the game, play it through to the end, then give you my honest opinion about that train. It's not impressed me much yet, though, from what I've seen on the trailers.

It's also on the DS, which is probably a factor with how impressive it looks.

The bike takes something away from it for me. It would be a lot cooler to have an air jousting fight on a dragon, than on a hovering bike. Maybe even a Pegasus, or some large species of bird. Just not a bike.

Let's not forget the crowd screaming in the backround, cheering you on. Personally, I don't like the idea of riding a dragon because riding a dragon has been done so often in fantasy in general that I'm actually sick of it. Besides, Link kills dragons.

Well, if we're talking about things becoming stale, guns are. They're in how many video games already? Please, let's leave this series, at least, gun-free.

Let's look at this another way. How many games have the Bow and Arrow? A lot more than those that have guns. I mean a lot more. Pretty much every fantasy game out there (and oh my there have been so many) has a bow and arrow. So this argument, that there are a lot of games with guns, doesn't really have weight because, heh, it's the same way for the Bow.

Yes, but it also depends on the game itself. The mood, theme, etc. are adding factors to what makes a good game. One of the many things I liked about the Zelda series as a whole, is that it doesn't depend on things like guns to make it good. Lots of games today have these guns you so adore. Why not go play them when you want to shoot monsters down? Why does Zelda have to become just another game with that aspect?

I don't know, why does it have to stay the same in that respect? I thought Zelda was supposed to be unique. Oh, wait. It is unique. Let's just let the things that tie it to other games and genre's be interchangable and keep the things that make it Zelda. (The Medieval theme, as WW and ST show, ain't one of them.)

By things that make it Zelda, I mean the Triforce, Link, Zelda, Gorons, Zoras, Giant forests, Death Mountain and deep, incredible dungeons.

Untill the creator (sorry, his name escapes me...) dies, I see no reason to end the series.

Fine then, you like guns, I don't. I, personally, am sick and tired of debating an issue such as this, when the fact of the matter is that neither of us know for a fact. I'll wait and see, play each new game as it comes out, and decide from there whether it's good or bad. Because, to be honest, ST is the first game that's going to have a huge advancement in technology, seeing as how it will have a train. Let's see how the train idea works before jumping into guns, motorbikes, and otherwise.

Also, DaltonR6 speaks truth. Zelda = a wonderful source of income for Nintendo. That, and probably other reasons (such as the story itself, the sheer popularity, etc.) are what will keep the series alive now, and probably for years to come.

I win.

And yes, he does speak the truth.

You win by default for now, but I'll have more to say on the issue later, believe me.

I expect nothing less.

I agree to some extent, the series should progress a bit more. Personally, I want more of a solid timeline. Like, I could see a Zelda game working like a Final Fantasy game. Steam powered machines are showing up, why not flying ships?