If they want a really great game to please most fans.

i really want 2 go back 2 Termina again, i loved that place

Sninespark if TP is the last of its kind i wouldn't imagine them losing sleep over it being an unoriginal game. I like TP because it included all those supposedly rehashed elements. They created a truly wonderful game IMO. You can't condemn TP's engine for being a modified version of WW's. The two games look almost nothing alike and, IMO, shouldn't even be classified as the same engine. To be fair you can't say TP isn't a continuation of the CT. I just realized something and decided i should point it out, TP did have a new story just similar themes. There's a difference.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

You can't condemn TP's engine for being a modified version of WW's. The two games look almost nothing alike and, IMO, shouldn't even be classified as the same engine.

An engine is not defined by how it looks but how it works. How it works often defines how it looks, but WW and TP is a clear indication of how this is not the case. The two games use the same engine, albeit modified. It's called the same engine because it is. In any case, I'm not really condemning it for using a previously existing engine. Developers do it all the time to save money and time, and it's not a problem.

I mean, if I was to condemn TP for it, I would have to likewise condemn MM for using OoT's engine, and OoT for using SM64's engine. It would be folly. However, I was just pointing it out in a long list of things that were unoriginal about that game, and, of course, you grappled onto the least significant of the items and fought against that, rather than all the other things on said list.

To be fair you can't say TP isn't a continuation of the CT.

Oh, sure, it's a continuation of the story, but the story wasn't very original. There wasn't anything new in it. Actually, scratch that. There could have been new things in it. If they had removed Ganondorf from the game and kept Zant the villain, it would have been such a better and more original story. Just removing that one element would have made the whole game a lot better, in my opinion. But they didn't, and the inclusion of Ganondorf made the attacking from the Dark Realm bit unoriginal, it made Zant unoriginal as he was a pawn of Ganondorf, and it made the usage of the Triforce unoriginal. Hell, the Triforce might not have appeared in the game at all if it weren't for Ganondorf.

I just realized something and decided i should point it out, TP did have a new story just similar themes. There's a difference.

No, you're confusing themes with story, and story with elements. It was the same story, but with different elements. Instead of the Dark World from ALttP or the seven year gap from OoT, or the other Dark World from FSA, this game used the Twilight Realm. A different element, yes, but it served the same general purpose: a twisted version of Hyrule. Also, Zant was a new element to the game, but was used in the same way: a pawn of Ganondorf. The same kind of pawn we'd seen in Aghanim in ALttP and Veran and Onox in OoA and OoS respectively.

These were just superficial differences though. As I said, they served the same purpose that they have in previous Zelda titles. Therefore, they are decidedly not original.

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Okay i was going a bit crazy with the engine thing. The elements thing is basically you saying that OOT and FSA also ripped off ALTTP! FSA rips off the idea of the dark realm even more by having it be the same thing! So you're saying that OOX ripped off ALTTP by having Ganon have a pawn. You're also saying that FSA ripped it off with Vaati. Seems to me that TP wasn't the only game to rip things off.

i think most people are getting there hopes up way too much for the new zelda game. that is usually why people dont like some games because there expectations are too high. as long as there is a sword (hopefully a master sword) and a shield i will most likely be happy. but i would like to be able to fight bosses that you have already beaten again (Just for fun). and i would like there to be more bosses that have a sword so it can be an epic sword fight like the mini boss in the temple of time in TP.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Okay i was going a bit crazy with the engine thing. The elements thing is basically you saying that OOT and FSA also ripped off ALTTP! FSA rips off the idea even more by having it be the same thing! So you're saying that OOX ripped off ALTTP by having Ganon have a pawn. You're also saying that FSA ripped it off with Vaati. Seems to me that TP wasn't the only game to rip things off.

You're absolutely right, it wasn't. I have never said it was. Plenty of Zelda games have borrowed from other elements in pre-existing games. The thing that sets TP apart in this though? It didn't bring anything new to the table. It ONLY borrowed those previous elements. OoT was basically ALttP in 3D, I have no delusions about this. What did OoT do though? I revolutionized the way 3D action adventures would be played. Many new things were brought to the table, the most notable of which was Z-Targeting, which pretty much defined that whole genre of games for many years.

OoX, one of my favorite Zelda games, borrowed the pawn thing from ALttP, and much of the setup and execution was the same as LA. Again, I have no delusions about this. However, it brought an original idea to the table. Two in fact. The changing of seasons to solve puzzles, and the changing of the ages. Although the latter was a heavy borrowing from ALttP, it still used it in new and innovative ways.

FS and FSA, even if the whole rest of those games had been unoriginal, had at least one very extremely different thing going for them: multiplayer.

Even WW borrowed some ideas from previous games. However, it set the game in a completely different environment, and brought a fantastic new graphics system into the game.

TP did none of this. The gameplay was the same as all the Zelda games that came before it. Any item of significance was from previous games. Items like the Spinner were new, yes, but were pretty much only used in their dungeon of origin. The story, as I have pointed out numerous times, was very similar to that of previous titles. The graphics engine was even re-used. TP quite literally brought nothing new to the series. That's why I rag on it so hard, and not the other games you mentioned which also borrow elements from previous installments.

Once again if TP is the last of its kind i don't think the developers lost any sleep over that. Why waste new ideas on a game that is going to be the last of its kind when you can save them for a truly innovative game, which ZWii probably will be. Although isn't horseback combat and the new Wii version method of controlling the sword and bow innovative at all? It's definately somethiing that ZWii will probably build on!

That's what I'm saying though. A game should never be made just for the sake of making a game, especially one in a franchise as storied as Zelda. If they want to bring together elements from all the previous Zelda games into one title, that's fine, but they should also add some new things. If the developers really thought, "Oh well, it's the last Zelda of it's kind, we can get away with little to no new innovations," then they should be fired. Like, not even joking. Any developer that feels they can get lazy on a game just because they're storing up the REAL treat for the next game should be fired. They should not have that job. The job of a developer is to find new and interesting ways to bring video games to the masses. Anything less is laziness or, worse, indifference. Even a remake needs new things added to it to have real appeal.

That's really just your opinion on the matter. TP was made to be a good game, which it does very well, not to add anything to the series, therefore there's nothing wrong with it and it did what it set out to do! And the whole new villian, lack of ganny, lack of the triforce has been done before. But if you really want to get nitpicky here are some things that might be considered innovation(then again they might not be i don't know): The new horseback combat and the controls for the Wii version are probably something they'll build on for the next game.