List reasons why TP isnt just a rip off of OoT...

...We'll show thise TP haters.

TP featured:

-Zant, (as in, more than one antagonist)
-Wolf Link, added to strategy, story, and gameplay
-a sidekick that was actually useful to you, (even though i like Navi, she WAS useless.) and had decent character developement and role in the story.
-almost all the items were used almost constantly. with the exception of the ball and chain, slingshot, and fishing rod.

when i think of more i'll post em here. nice thread btw -_^

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

TP featured:

-Zant, (as in, more than one antagonist)
-Wolf Link, added to strategy, story, and gameplay
-a sidekick that was actually useful to you, (even though i like Navi, she WAS useless.) and had decent character developement and role in the story.
-almost all the items were used almost constantly. with the exception of the ball and chain, slingshot, and fishing rod.

when i think of more i'll post em here. nice thread btw -_^

The spinner was hardly ever used.

In TP, Zelda was actually in a seat of power instead of being just a princess in title.

I don't see how Navi was different from Midna in terms of usefulness...

Navi told you where to go and how to do stuff.
Midna told you with an attitude where to go and how to do stuff.

As for that whole teleporting dealie, a real adventurer never teleports! (And to a certain extent, teleporting was possible in OoT)

Give it up already lol, Twilight Princess is more of an OoT rip-off than it is it's own game. But that doesn't necessarily mean everyone hates it because of that.

I acknowledge that TP is an OoT rip-off, but I still like it.


What's so bad about TP looking alot like OoT? If you really like TP that much, you shouldn't even care about this sort of stuff. Face it, TP and OoT share more similarities than differences, it's just a fact.

How can a company rip-off it's own product?

I think TP was purposefully made to reach OoT standards, and by doing this, I guess they hoped it would have the same magic (or surpass) Ocarina. Well, it did'nt, but I like the fact its a bit nostalgic. And yes, gameplay elements are quite different, especially the ability to turn into a wolf. And i have to agree, Midna's development as a sidekick is far better than Navi's. But I can't agree that you use most weapons more than in OoT. There were too many in TP that become redundant after the dungeon you collect them in, in my opnion.

I find TP more story driven than OoT ever hoped to be, much like how MM beated OoT in terms of story.

OoT was basically a rip-off of ALttP, and people seem to fail to notice that. But oh well. I like both OoT and TP.

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

-Zant, (as in, more than one antagonist)

Okay, so it's an aLttP/FSA ripoff

[qote]
-Wolf Link, added to strategy, story, and gameplay[/quote]
MM ripoff [Goron Link, Deku Link, Zora Link did the same]

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse
-Zant, (as in, more than one antagonist)

Okay, so it's an aLttP/FSA ripoff

[qote]
-Wolf Link, added to strategy, story, and gameplay

MM ripoff [Goron Link, Deku Link, Zora Link did the same] [/QUOTE]

haha ok... so in this case ALttP would be a rip off of LoZ because it had Ganon a a finaly boss? Items? and i'm talking about how it's different from OoT, not MM, and it's not even a rip off of THAT. i don't remember TP ever talking about the Wolf form as a product of a tortured soul, or a SEPERATE soul at all, you can barely interact with characters as a wolf as well. AND the big focus of MM was the multitude of sidequests, and emphasis on story. MM was better than TP in this way, as a sidequest that you actually want to complete is lacking, (at least for me.)

and in AlttP, i thought that Agahnim was just part of Ganon's sould that escaped out of the sacred realm? and in FSA Vaati was just there to cause hell after escaping. i don't remember him working with Ganon at all, or contributing to the story.

and i'm sorry for forgetting the spinner guys, i SUPPOSE you don't use it often, but you do a lot more than the other ones i listed.

oh, and i've got another reason, - there is no time travel, or mysterious figure appearing to teach you a song, heck, there isn't even any musical instrument. except for the wolf howling, but then you hardly ever use that.

i do not deny that TP was built in the same style as OoT, but it's different in minds of story, (even if similar, it is different.) gameplay, (items, transformation,) and attitude, (you can see into character's feelings a lot better than any other game, but this is mostly because of graphics.)

MM rocks.

Originally Posted by farore-rocks333

...We'll show thise TP haters.

I'd imagine there aren't very many, seeing as you can't even think of one yourself.

- TP was bad compared to OoT.

There you have it.

Originally Posted by fratey

- TP was bad compared to OoT.

There you have it.

I concur and have nothing to add.

Originally Posted by fratey

The second half of TP was bad compared to OoT.

There you have it.

Corrected. TP was amazing up until the defeat of Stallord, then dive-bombed into general horribleness.

- TP was bad compared to OoT.

There you have it.

Please explain.

Corrected. TP was amazing up until the defeat of Stallord, then dive-bombed into general horribleness.

How so?

I do NOT mean to cause argument, i just don't get how a lot of people can say OoT pwns, and that TP sucked. personally i'm in limbo, OoT was the first 3d Zelda game i ever played, but that's not a very good reason....or is it? TP did a better job at making you beleive that you had a purpose, but OoT does that too...to some extent. what do you guys think about this? and please give reasons.

If this is about the inclusion of Ganondorf, i don't complain, it lets us know what happened to him after OoT child ending after all, which is what i always wondered about, and his psuedo god persona to Zant was fitting to his personality, the fact actually made me laugh lol.

I played Twilight Princess before Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess is small compared to Ocarina of Time. Didn't stop me from liking it though. I couldn't keep my hands off the controller until the power went out. I noticed similarities, but was Ocarina of Time any better when it came to A Link to the Past? Find three elemental items that lead to the Master Sword, free some sages, both use that concept. The same goes with the Wind Waker. Twilight Princess-find pieces of an ancient weapon in three elemental areas...I was expecting Link would become powered up by those but anyway...and for the last half, find pieces of the gate to another world.

The second half of the game paled in comparison to the first half, which was far more brilliant than anything I've seen in any other Zelda game. Nothing awful, but just a decrease of quality.

Anyways, a list? Now, really, I can't be bothered, because I don't really feel like "showing those TP haters" anything.

-Different Story, I repeat Different story.
-Spinner
-Ball and Chain
-Bigger Hyrule
-Wolf Link
-Zant
-4 Ganon Forms
-Different graphics and style
-Different Style Armor
-Different Gameplay
-Two versions Released at the Same Time
-Wiimote Activity
-Hawk Eye

And if you want I can list about 100 more! As you can see the only similarities are: Hyrule, Ganon, Link, and sidekick.

Actually, TP seems to have "borrowed" alot of aspects from the other LoZ games, instead of just OoT.

The opening of the TP storyline: Link is charged with the task of delivering a sword to Hyrule Castle....where've we seen that before?

There's the whole basic OoT lay-out thing going on.

A bit farfetched, but being able to change into a wolf-form kind of resembles the whole basic idea of MM. (And let us not forget the pink wabbit )


I think right now, more similarities to other games have been listed than TP exclusives. I think Nintendo attempted to combine some of the best aspects of the best LoZ games to form one super-LoZ game, using OoT as a background. it didn't work out very well, now did it?

Originally Posted by Link367

-Different Story, I repeat Different story.
-Spinner
-Ball and Chain
-Bigger Hyrule - Shaped exactly like OoT Hyrule
-Wolf Link Shape changing = MM
-Zant
-4 Ganon Forms - Demon form, Humanoid form. That's about it. Zelda and the whole horseback thing can't possibly count as "forms". Practically every Zelda game uses multiple forms for the final boss battle.
-Different graphics and style - Duh!
-Different Style Armor - Red, Blue, and Green armor: Also used in OoT
-Different Gameplay - How so?
-Two versions Released at the Same Time - OoX
-Wiimote Activity Wii Only
-Hawk Eye - Yeah, that changed the gameplay ALOT, you know? Might I add there was a similar-looking mask in WindWaker?

And if you want I can list about 100 more! As you can see the only similarities are: Hyrule, Ganon, Link, and sidekick.

These are only minor changes made to concepts that've been used in former games.

And OF COURSE there's a different story!

And the Wiimote is a console-based change, you can't really count that since the ORIGINAL GameCube version does not use this.


That leaves about 3 differences, and i'm glad they were there lol.

I have three main issues with this game:

1. The makers of TP confused it with Super Mario Galaxy and made it SOOOO LINEAR!!!

2. It was SOOOO FREAKING LINEAR!!!

3. I felt that Ganondorf's appearance in TP wasn't well thought-out enough...

Probably one of the only good things about TP was the fact that it had the one dungeon I actually enjoyed being in, the City in the Sky (every other Zelda dungeon creeps me out, possibly for motivation).