Permanently Missable Items - A Guide

Originally Posted by Solink

How about the Ice Arrows in OoT? You're ****ed if you mess up with how many doors you open in the maze...

Not true. There are nine doors and nine keys. Did you find the hidden key by climbing through the fake ceiling?

Theres some missable chests in OoT imn the ice arrows dungeon. If you use all the keys on only the left doors, you wont be able to get in the right door to get to 2 chests because the final key is in that door. You cant get the key to open the door, and you cant open the door to get the key, so your in a mess. xD
This happened to me, and I eventually had to glitch by bombchu hovering to the key(its on a platform in the lava pit room.)

Sorry I've been absent from this thread for so long. There's a lot that I want to add to it and different things that need updating in the original post.

Most of these recent suggestions are from The Wind Waker, and unfortunately my disc for that game is broken, meaning I can't test any of these suggestions out.

I'll keep you all updated when I can either fix that disc or obtain a new one.

(@Majora: I'm pretty sure all chests can be opened in the GTC if you find all nine keys?)

Well the thing is the ninth key is in the right door, and if you use up all the other 8 keys before opening/unlocking the right door, you cant get to and open the two chests inside. Sorry if this is confusing.

You can use a song of time block to get to that key.

What song of time block? where?

Play the song of time close to the lava.

Originally Posted by Majora108

Well the thing is the ninth key is in the right door, and if you use up all the other 8 keys before opening/unlocking the right door, you cant get to and open the two chests inside. Sorry if this is confusing.

1. There are only 7 locked doors on the left, so it's impossible to use 8 up before unlocking the right door.

2. The ninth key is through the left door, not the right, so it's not a problem anyway.

3. What Quin said.

Not sure if this will help but I did a checklist for zelda games in the past:

LoZ(NES,CE,GBA)
{}complete main story
{}collect all heart containers
{} collect all items(even the upgrades)
{} beat the game without collecting the magic key
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{}die 0 times

Second quest
(same as first quest)
{} die 0 times

AoL(NES,CE,GBA)
{}complete main story
{}collect all items
{}collect all heart containers
{}collect all magic containers
{}reach highest (9) level-up on all attack, life and potion
{}acquire all spells
{}do not acquire any 1-up dolls
{}die 0 times

ALttP(SNES,GBA)
{}complete main story
{} acquire all items (including all four bottles, shields, tunics,etc)
{}get the highest sword possible (golden sword)
{} receive all heart containers
{} access the Chris Houlihan room using all methods that have been proven to work
{} upgrade enhance all items and attributes possible (arrows, magic, health)
{} have encountered the Ghost of Misery Mire (all 3 of them)
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{}die 0 times
* For a better challenge enter your name as Link (supposely makes the game harder)


GBA advance version
{} (complete above)
{} Complete Riddle Quest
{} complete FS, then beat AlttP through the Palace of the four sword, to unlock alternate ending
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} die 0 times

LA (GB)
{} complete main story
{} acquire all items
{} complete trading sequence
{} collect enough seashells for the upgraded sword
{} Get all upgrades
{} Beat the game without stealing
{} collect all heart containers
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} die 0 times

LA DX (GBC)
{} (complete above)
{} complete photo sidequest
{} go through secret dungeon to get the red tunic. Make additional visit to swap for the blue tunic.
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{}die 0 times to unlock slightly alternate ending

OoT (N64,CE, OoT on masterquest disc)
{}complete main story
{}acquire all items (including 4 bottles, ice arrows)
{}Win Epona from Ingo
{} collect all 100 skulltulas (without using that little cheat )
{}learn all ocarina tunes
{} Collect all mask (and sell) and recieve the mask of truth
{} acquire highest scale (golden scale)
{} win the sidequest race at Lon Lon Ranch to have a cow at your Deku house
{} acquire all upgrades (life, magic, quiver, bombs, slingshot, deku sticks)
{} complete trading sequence for the Big Goron Sword
{} complete al mini-games for rewards and prizes
{} Shoot the mario in the windows in the Hyrule courtyard
{} Acquire the sinking lure at least once
{} Catch the legendary Hylian Loach
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} Complete the Beta Quest (if you even want to call it that )
{} Visit and speak to the dying guard additional information
{}die 0 times

Master Quest(CE)
{} (complete above)
{} die 0 times

Majora’s Mask(N64,CE)
{} complete main story
{} acquire all heart pieces
{} acquire all items (and the highest sword possible)
{} complete the bomber’s Notebook
{} collect all masks
{} learn all ocarina tunes
{} acquire Epona
{} for all four levels collect all stray fairies to get; charged spin attack, Double Magic, Double Defense, and the Great Fairy Sword
{} Complete both House of Skulltulas
{}complete all mini-games for rewards and prizes
{}complete title deed trade
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{}die 0 times

Oracles Series(GBC)
{}complete both games in this order:
OoA>>>OoS[Hero’s quest, OoA>>>OoS]
OoS>>>OoA[Hero’s quest, OoS>>>OoA]
{}acquire all rings possible in each games
{} get the highest ring box (L-5)
{} collect all heart pieces possible in each game
{} acquire all items
{} complete swap sequence
{} Complete both hero's Caves
{} Plant all Gasha seeds possible (30 locations in each game)
{} accomplish all secrets/passwords to gain item or reward
{} help Blossom and Tipin grow a child
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chests, map,compass and key
{} die 0 times

FS(GBA)
{}Complete main story
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} die 0 times

TWW(GC)
{} Complete main story
{} acquire all items
{} collect all sea charts
{} collect all treasure charts and find the treasure chart for each one
{} acquire all other charts (Beddle charts, Triforce charts,etc)
{} acquire all heart pieces
{} complete the photography side quest
{} acquire deluxe pictograph
{} complete every 11 mini-games
{} learn all of the Windwaker songs
{} acquire Hero’s charm
{} acquire all upgrades from fairies (bombs, arrows, ruppees)
{} find all sunken treasure
{} find all secret caves
{} Slay all Big Octos
{} Find all 8 Great Fairies
{} find all 7 submarines and acquire treasure from it
{} find all 28 platforms and acquire treasure from it
{} find enough blue, red and green Chuchus to help make the 3 potions
{} Find all 23 blue Chuchus
{} Cure Grannys illness to get Exlir Soup
{} purchase every legendary picture from Lenzo
{} learn Hurricane sword spin from Orca
{} complete the Nintendo Gallery (all 134 figuirines)
{} help out assistant postman at Dragon Roast Island by helping him with his job.
{} complete mail sidequest
{} complete all tingle’s quest
{} gain membership card at the Beedle(30pts=Complimentary ID and 60pts=Fill-Up Coupon
{} complete the Pet pig for Rose sidequest
{} complete the Korok sidequest
{} complete 16 slide puzzles in Mrs. Marie’s Cabana
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} die 0 times

second quest
{}(complete above)
{} die 0 times

FSA(GC)

single player
{}complete main story
{} Collect every single treasure chest in the game
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map,compass and key
{} dies 0 times

multi player
{}complete main story
{}unlock all 8 mini games at Tingle’s Tower and play/beat them
{} Collect every single treasure chest in the game
{}unlock all 5 levels for Shadow Battle and play/beat them
{} die 0 times

TMC(GBA)
{} complete main story
{} collect all heart pieces
{} acquire all items(including light arrows, and bottles)
{} complete all Kinstone fusions
{} collect all figurines
{} unlock Picolyte from Beetle (and purchase one of each kind)
{} acquire all upgrades (arrows, bombs,etc)
{}have acquired the Tingle Trophy
{}learn all performance upgrades from the Hidden Blade Brothers
{} Collect every single treasure chest in the game
{}completed every round of monsters at Simon's Simulations
{} have purchased all of the Swordsman's Newsletters
{} acquire all tiger scrolls
{} find a place for 2 of the oracles to live
{} Locate and open/acquire every single treasure chest, map, compass and key
{} die 0 times
**If you are daring enough complete e_alert’s 100% completion fo TMC

TP(GC, Wii)
{} complete main story
{} collect all heart pieces
{} Obtain all upgrades
{} Complete all 12 mini-games
{} Explore all locations and hidden pathways on the map
{} replace the Bridge of Eldin
{} Complete both the Hot spring sidequest and the Malo Market side quest
{} Discover all warp locations
{} Collect all mail from the mailman
{} acquire all items
{} Complete the Cave of Ordeals (first time and second time! Slightly harder the second time.)
{} Collect all 60 poe souls
{} Collect all 24 golden bugs
{} obtain all 7 hidden skills
{} Find all hidden Grottos (21?)
{} Catch all 7 different fish and catch at least 1 bag of rupees and junk
{} Acquire the sinking lure at least once
{} Catch the legendary Hylian Loach
{} Acquire and use the 2 types of bait and hooks
{}Complete all 8 courses of the Rollgoal game
{} Locate and open/acquire every treasure chest, map, compass and key
{} die 0 times
***More to come

For TP I don't recall how many Grottos there are. So if anyone knows please let me know, thanks.

PH (DS)
{} Beat Story mode
{} Collect all hearts
{} Collect all force gems
{} Collect all ship parts
{} Obtain gold ship with highest stamina
{} complete trading quest
{} Collect all treasure charts
{} Discover all islands
{} Complete all mini-games/additional sidequests
{} Open all treasure chests
{} Obtain all items and upgrades
{} Acquire Slate and learn 4 cyclone symbols
{} Collect one of each fish
{} Die 0 times

LCT (Wii)
{} Complete all levels and challenges
{} Obtain platinum medal for each level

Speaking of which how many Grottos are there in TP?

Again let me stress some more secrets:

1.

I still haven't tried this.

2.

I never even knew about this secret hole. I wonder how he even stumbled upon it.

You forgot that the original LA also has a secret 0-death ending. And that you have to defeat vaati a thirth time with the hero's key(after silver and gold) in FS

@HoT5: Thanks for the list and all, but this is a thread for certain items--not entire checklists.

Originally Posted by HeroOfTime5

I never even knew about this secret hole. I wonder how he even stumbled upon it.

Stone of agony. If your close to a secret hole, your controller rumble's. VC version has no rumble.

Thanks--this guide is great, you should write guides professionally.

Originally Posted by Rew

* 3 Heart Containers are actually losable in the second quest as well! At three points (all in dungeons), you'll come to a room where the old man will make you either pay 50 Rupees or 1 Heart Container. Always pay the Rupees, never the Heart Container! Once you pay the Heart Container, it's gone forever. You can earn the Rupees back at any time, but not the Heart Container. If you find that you don't have enough cash, leave the room and hunt more Rupees, then return when you have enough.

This confuses me. So paying 50 ruppees gives you a heart container while the other option is just a spare little heart to heal your damage?

No no no. The old man DEMANDS you give him either 50 rupees or a heart container (not just a heart, but an entire heart container!), or he will not let you pass through to the rest of the dungeon. It's annoying as hell, but at least he doesn't say "Grumble, grumble..." until you give him a random item.

Originally Posted by Dr. von Fish

No no no. The old man DEMANDS you give him either 50 rupees or a heart container (not just a heart, but an entire heart container!), or he will not let you pass through to the rest of the dungeon. It's annoying as hell, but at least he doesn't say "Grumble, grumble..." until you give him a random item.

Oh i see. Who would actually give up a heart container?

wicked.

About the two game ending glitches for twilight princess...

The first one I haven't seen substantial proof that the eldin bridge glitch even exists, but I did figure out a way to fix it or even if it did exist. it's a pretty complicated trick to do though. Video. The way you fix the "glitch" is by pressing the home button on the wii version and ejecting the game cd and re-inserting it so that it increases the time it takes for areas to load, then use that to go out of bounds with epona. Then, you do a few simple tricks to get on higher ground in south hyrule field, then do the trick where you constantly eject and re-insert the game while heading in the direction of lake hylia, but aim towards hyrule castle so that you're well out of bounds so that you can load up the lake hylia map without sinking on epona. Then you just try and get as high up as you can and force a few areas to load, and get to the midna barrier up by the northern end of hyrule.

The second game ending bug I believe can be fixed by loading the trapped save file on a fixed version of the game, which will allow you to warp the cannon and proceed onward in the game.

I hope this isnt to much of a necropsot, I just want to report a missing upgrade in Minish Cap, in the European version, you cant get the final upgrade for the bomb bag, the shop wont sell you the bigger bomb bag, and as far as I can tell, there is nothing you can do to make it available to buy.

What about treasure chests in that swamp dungeon in LA if you didn't get them before returning Bow-Wow?

LOL thanks man... I found them myself but it'll help a lot of kiddies.