time line theory

When the first zelda game came out it was just another game out of many many games. It hade a simple story of Gannon kidnapps the princess to find the triforce and you have to defeat Gannon and save Zelda. It was a good game so they made a second one to be a continuation of the first. In the second one they were trying something new, the sidescroll effect. Then alttp came out for SNES. Now back then Nintendo didn't care about a specific timeline. So alttp was basically the same idea of the first.

Then the gameboy zelda came out. It was just another game and to stop being repetitive they added a new strory of the wind fish and the dream island. When OOT was made then Nintendo thought they should make a timeline. The two GB games oracles of seasons and ages i believe where made to follow OOT. Then MM came out. Since i have never played MM i cannot fit it in with this timeline. WW was to be a long time after all the other games.

In conclusion the first four games cannot be fitted into any specific timeline. They weren't met to fit in a timeline because Nintendo didn't plan for Zelda to be such a big hit. Its when OOT came out that games where put into timelines. As for Four Swords, i cannot see where this could fit into any timeline.

I really think that its Link's Awakening that started the timeline because in the begining of the game Link mistakes Marin for Zelda; in all the other games Link has never met Zelda, it seems this Link has. Since he called out Zelda's name, that means he knew her...and that same Link came from another game ( could it be from the first two Zelda games? the Oracles? who knows). And if you look at some pictures of the Hyrule Adventure game, you can see an obvious resemblance between the Hyrule in Hyrule Adventures and the Hyrule of ALttP.

Hmm, I dunno about LA being the first. It's an interesting idea, but, it doesn't make sense unless you'd have to change the fact that it tells of Hyrule and Zelda, and stay with a wondering hero named Link. Oy! I just found out something:

What if LoZ was set *after* LA, witht he *same* Link?! I mean, if you studied the intro to LoZ, you will see that when Impa is attacked by Ganon's minions, a young heroic crusader named Link comes from a distant land and saves her.

Which could mean, that the LA Link could be the Oracle Link, because, wouldn't Link wanna return home after doing a quest, such as the Oracle ones? So, while returning home, he gets attacked and LA happens. It's sensible, and then he returns and Impa is rescued by him, and tells him of Zelda's state of condition.

How's that for a timeline theory?

-Tenial.

If The Oracle series follow Oot then, how come in OoT Link first met Impa, and didn't know her until they spoke to one another, when in Oracle of Seasons(Oracle series), it looked like Link met Imp for the first time, and they didin't know each other at first. So how could Oot and The Oracle series be related? Well, I know for a fact that Majoras Mask was the conclusion of Oot, and they both were linked together in the timeline. It was right after the ending of OoT that MM took place. Also, the Windwaker took place more than 100 years afte OoT. So far the only games that I know that are "Time - related" are MM,the WW, and OoT.

Well, some changes can be made, due to the fact that some writers can do that with the love and care forthe series. Of course, these changes can become minor as possible, but if drastic change is needed, then there has to be some change.

Well, some changes can be made, due to the fact that some writers can do that with the love and care forthe series.

If they're writing a fanfic, sure... if you're trying to come up with a viable theory, absolutely not.

hmm... Well, to each his own I guess.

Oh well, ce lavie!

I don't understand how there can be such a hoo-ha about the timeline. It's pretty straightforward. Let me take you through it.

The Legend of Zelda was released and Adventure of Link was a sequel to that.

LOZ > AOL

Then they released A Link to the Past (I would define Past as being centuries before The Legend of Zelda) and Link's Awakening was a spin-off of that, as Link knew Zelda etc.

ALTTP > LA > LOZ > AOL

Right. Then Ocarina of Time was released as a prequel to the entire series, and Majora's Mask was the spin-off to that game.

OOT > MM > ALTTP > LA > LOZ > AOL

The Oracle games could really fit in anywhere, but for argument's sake, we'll say they happened after Majora's Mask.

OOT > MM > OOS > OOA > ALTTP > LA > LOZ > AOL

Now The Wind Waker has been released, and we know it's only 100 years after Ocarina of Time. Now, there's no mention of the Oracle games in The Wind Waker's prelude (it only mentions the Hero of Time), so it had to have taken place after Majora's Mask.

OOT > MM > TWW > OOS > OOA > ALLTP > LA > LOZ > AOL

After Link destroyed Ganon in The Wind Waker, he went with Zelda to find 'his land' or whatever she said. I'm guessing, during the intervening centuries, this land became Labrynna, Koholint Island, a new Hyrule etc. etc.

And there you have it.

Let me know what you think. But don't jump down my throat about my theory please, I just think my theory makes the most sense... but if you've got a better one I'd love to discuss it.

IMO, LA comes after LttP, and they can't take place before LoZ. In LttP Ganon dies and the Triforce is back in the Sacred Realm.
Ganon would have to come back and steal only the Triforce of Power and not Wisdom, which wouldn't make sense. He would get both, or Zelda would get both. This would have to be spaced over centuries because the backstory states that the King hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace, but there would be no explanation as to how he got only the Triforce of Courage while Power and Wisdom were left in his control separately.
My theory is that after MM the Oracles happen, Ganon is released from the void from OoT, he is defeated but runs back to Hyrule where he later attacks the castle and captures Zelda who already has the Triforce of Wisdom in her hand. ganon had the Triforce of Power at this time as well, and though the story says he attacked the castle and stole the Triforce of Power, this could easily mean that he attacked the castle in OoT, got the Triforce, and then later came back to get Zelda in LoZ after about 5 years.
From there Link saves Zelda and gets two parts of the Triforce back for the kingdom. Link then sets out to get his piece, which he left behind before going to Termina. With all parts reunited Link used the magic aura of the Triforce to break the cuse over the sleeping Zelda. The Triforce is placed back in the Temple of Light and the Master Sword is removed so that Link would not have to expose the realm again if he never needed the blade. It was moved to a location that Link would know about. Then in LttP Agahnim is trying to break the barrier around the Triforce that is the Temple of Light. He does, later Link stops him and wishes on the complete Triforce that everything be restored. The Triforce is left in the Temple of Light by Link, why he decided to give up the power of the gods is unknown. Later he left to seek other members of his family or gain experience.
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I see what you mean, but just because Ganon dies in A Link to the Past, doesn't mean it's the final game. To me, the word "Past" just indicates that this game was supposed to have happened before the ones already released... unless, the title is simply the fact Link goes back and forth between the Light and Dark Worlds... oh my goodness, this could destroy everything.

Okay.

Change of plan. Let's pretend that A Link to the Past isn't set before the NES Games. The fact the ending states how the Master Swords rests "forever" could mean it was the last game in the series. Of course Link's Awakening still happens after it, but there's still no proof that that was a dream or reality yet, so we'll leave that to one side.

Okay, listen. My revised order is now as follows.

OOT > MM > TWW > OOS > OOA > LOZ > AOL > ALTTP > LA

So after Link clears everything up in Adventure of Link, it could still be centuries later that Ganon is causing havoc again. To me, the only constant is Ganon. As far as I can tell, he's the same one from beginning to end? It's just he always gets imprisoned "inbetween". And he only makes the effort to rise once Link and Zelda's descendants are around, so he can try and obtain the entire Triforce.

Argh, my head.

I feel the need to change ALttP set in the First Age...

A Link to the Past means means that the games links the Zelda legend to ancient Hyrule. This is seen in the backstory of LttP where it gives us the history of Hylia and the Imprisoning War story.
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The name of a Link to the Past is irrelevant. The head translator himself has said in an interveiw that he only named it that because it sounded cool. It had no direct relationship to any specific thing. I can dig up a transcript if you doubt me.

Now The Wind Waker has been released, and we know it's only 100 years after Ocarina of Time.

Actually, that is incorrect... Aonuma said in an interveiw that it was at least one hundred years... and, based off of evidence from Daphnes Nohanson Hyrule and the gamer intro, it is more then 100 years.

Sorry to attack your example

In LttP Ganon dies and the Triforce is back in the Sacred Realm.

Ganon dies in LoZ as well. And how do we know that the Triforce ends up backin the Sacred Realm aftrer LttP? It could just as easily have ended up at Hyrule Castle, in the possession of the Royal Family. Setting up everything for AoL's backstory, without that foolish fanfic occuring hundreds of years before OoT that yours has.

This would have to be spaced over centuries because the backstory states that the King hid the Triforce of Courage in the Great Palace

Which is fine... the only time that would cause problem is for someone trying to use a single-Link theory. Hmm.

Come now, Luigi. Your theory relies far to much on fanfiction and assumption to hold together. Only gullible fools like the ones you've found at Memories of Zelda and the official boards would take it seriously.

Hey lord-of-shadow

I never knew that about A Link to the Past's title, thanks for the info. And I don't doubt you, don't worry. My outside knowledge of Zelda is pretty limited, unlike some of the walking encyclopedias I've seen on these forums!

But yeah, so I guess that kind of destroys my timeline altogether... thanks.

Well, I know this: I'm not going to let anyone elses opinions thwart my ideas, no matter how sane their opinions may be, or insane my ideas appear to be. I am going to continue my own steam, and if my book does not get published, that is *not your problem*, so do not bother saying its worthless, because I know it is actually *not*.

Cheers.

-Tenial.

I'm actually interested in seeing your.. book, Tenial. Or a sample, of some sort.

lord-of-shadow: The name of a Link to the Past is irrelevant. The head translator himself has said in an interveiw that he only named it that because it sounded cool. It had no direct relationship to any specific thing. I can dig up a transcript if you doubt me.

L64: I doubt you.

lord-of-shadow: quote:
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Now The Wind Waker has been released, and we know it's only 100 years after Ocarina of Time.
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Actually, that is incorrect... Aonuma said in an interveiw that it was at least one hundred years... and, based off of evidence from Daphnes Nohanson Hyrule and the gamer intro, it is more then 100 years.

Sorry to attack your example

L64: Well, I don't know what that has to do with LttP, but if your talking about a new issue then I agree, WW is more than a lousy century after OoT's future. After all, just one century isn't unbelieveable enough.

lord-of-shadow: Ganon dies in LoZ as well. And how do we know that the Triforce ends up backin the Sacred Realm aftrer LttP?

L64: .....beee....cauuuuuse the Triforce is shown to be back in the Sacred Realm while the credits are rolling. Maybe? Possibly? Yes?

lord-of-shadow: It could just as easily have ended up at Hyrule Castle, in the possession of the Royal Family. Setting up everything for AoL's backstory, without that foolish fanfic occuring hundreds of years before OoT that yours has.

L64: It's not fanfic, it's fact. Fact 1, the first Ganondorf who I'll just call Dragmire so you'll know which one I'm talking about, attacked the realm at a time when no one else knew it's location, not even the Hylian Sages. Ganondorf attacked the realm when everyone knew about the realm, even the common folk. Fact 2, Dragmire met no resistance, other than his own army, while claiming the Triforce. Ganondorf had to collect keys and bypass the Temple of Light to claim the Triforce. Now if one Ganondorf didn't have to bypass the Temple of Light and another one did, then isn't that alone enough evidence to prove that these are two different instances, and that the instance that has no Temple of Light is the first one while the one that comes after the Ancient Sages' Seal would logically come second?
I mean, are you just ignoring these facts because you choose not to accept them or because you don't think they're facts? I'd be happy to provide you with quotes if you want.

lord-of-shadow: Which is fine... the only time that would cause problem is for someone trying to use a single-Link theory. Hmm.

Evidence in OoT points to the races of the land being united in the times after the Imprisoning War, and the fact still remains that the King of AoL's backstory would only be able to claim his part of the Triforce if it was sent to him after someone else touched the Triforce and split the parts. The fact that the Sheikah knew that the Triforce would do that is proof that it happened before Ganondorf touched it. So this supports the idea of the AoL King ruling over the ancient Hyrule with the Triforce locked away in the Temple of Light. Then before he died he had the Triforce of Wisdom taken to the Great Palace by the Hermit Sage, or the short Sage seen in the intro of LttP, and he watched over it until the day it was moved to the Temple of Light. When that was is unknown because no game has covered it in detail yet.

lord-of-shadow: Come now, Luigi. Your theory relies far to much on fanfiction and assumption to hold together. Only gullible fools like the ones you've found at Memories of Zelda and the official boards would take it seriously.

L64: The entire MLT relies on illogical timelines, centuries of time passing, new people arising that look like the last people that arose, dead people coming back to life, the Triforce growing legs and walking around, and of course disregarding game and manual facts.
I'd say the MLT is almost 100% fanfiction.

Tenial: Well, I know this: I'm not going to let anyone elses opinions thwart my ideas, no matter how sane their opinions may be, or insane my ideas appear to be. I am going to continue my own steam, and if my book does not get published, that is *not your problem*, so do not bother saying its worthless, because I know it is actually *not*.

L64: But wouldn't you want to see if people think it's sane or not before you publish it? Better to find out sooner than later.
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