2008 - the worst Zelda year in the 00's decade?

Originally Posted by Jeff

Quality has nothing to do with what we're talking about (even though Corruption was better than Prime 1/2 in many cases), and it definitely wasn't smaller.

That's exactly what we're talking about, and yes, it was.

Retro said on numerous occasions that it's level design was larger and thus couldn't be done on GC with the graphics and framerate they had for Wii.

Yet the amount of area covered in Metroid Prime 3 paled in comparison to the amount of ground covered in Metroid Prime 2, and that's not including backtracking.

I trust them a lot more than you.

My immediate reaction was to roll my eyes at this.

So why would a Zelda game built ground-up for the Wii be needed to do any of that?

What? I think you lost me here. Why would the new game have to do what? Have a new plot, or sidekick, or any of that stuff? I suppose it wouldn't have to, but it probably would

That's more like the differences between two Zelda games then one ported to the Wii and one built for it.

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That is exactly what it is.^^^ A zelda game ported to wii is most likely to be very similar to its other version. All i said earlier was that TP wasn't originally being develped for wii. I didnt really want to talk about how a GCN would be different/ the same to it's WII counter part. I more was talking about a wii only, no port at all, zelda game.

Originally Posted by Koulatio

What? I think you lost me here. Why would the new game have to do what? Have a new plot, or sidekick, or any of that stuff? I suppose it wouldn't have to, but it probably would

That is exactly what it is.^^^ A zelda game ported to wii is most likely to be very similar to its other version. All i said earlier was that TP wasn't originally being develped for wii. I didnt really want to talk about how a GCN would be different/ the same to it's WII counter part. I more was talking about a wii only, no port at all, zelda game.

People refer to a "true Wii Zelda" like the fact that it's built from the ground up for the Wii is going to suddenly make it the Second Coming of Christ. It's not.

Originally posted by DrZaius
That's exactly what we're talking about, and yes, it was.

I merely said that building a game from the ground-up for Wii brings the opportunity to make a larger game than TP, nothing about whether the content would be good or bad. If we went on a tangent, you started it.

Yet the amount of area covered in Metroid Prime 3 paled in comparison to the amount of ground covered in Metroid Prime 2, and that's not including backtracking.

Definitely easy to argue, especially given how Corruption had much larger areas. By comparison, Prime and Echoes' level designs were corridor-like.

My immediate reaction was to roll my eyes at this.

It's not like it's personal. I don't think highly of you for much, but I trust the developer more than any member here.

Originally Posted by Jeff

I merely said that building a game from the ground-up for Wii brings the opportunity to make a larger game than TP, nothing about whether the content would be good or bad. If we went on a tangent, you started it.

Quality was exactly what I was referring to the entire time. I want to know how the fact that the new Zelda is built for the Wii up would automatically make it better then Twilight Princess.

Definitely easy to argue, especially given how Corruption had much larger areas. By comparison, Prime and Echoes' level designs were corridor-like.

An area that happens to have an open sky doesn't automatically make it larger then an area that doesn't. Each area is still essentially a room, and Metroid Prime 2 had more rooms to traverse then Metroid Prime 3 did.

It's not like it's personal. I don't think highly of you for much, but I trust the developer more than any member here.

It clearly seems to be personal.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

People refer to a "true Wii Zelda" like the fact that it's built from the ground up for the Wii is going to suddenly make it the Second Coming of Christ. It's not.

Can you give me a few examples of this happening?

Originally Posted by Koulatio

Can you give me a few examples of this happening?

Of a game built specifically for the Wii becoming the Second Coming of Christ? I can't.

No, what i ment was, i havent heard anyone say anything like that here. I was wondering if you could show me somone who did.

Originally Posted by Koulatio

No, what i ment was, i havent heard anyone say anything like that here. I was wondering if you could show me somone who did.

Besides yourself, no one explicitally in this thread, though many tried to defend the concept without mentioning the words "true Wii Zelda". Over this website and other parts of the internet, however, the phrase is thrown around alot in referring to the greatness of the next Zelda game.

Personally my definition of 'true Wii Zelda' is "the base platform is Wii and Wii only - it's not for another platform".

With that solved, that doesn't mean it has to be good.

Originally Posted by Linkey

Personally my definition of 'true Wii Zelda' is "the base platform is Wii and Wii only - it's not for another platform".

With that solved, that doesn't mean it has to be good.

This is exactly what i ment when i said that. I'm starting to feel really sorry that I ever said that i want a new zelda that is built ground up for the wii. I think it may be getting some people confuzed. With that being said, i'm leaving this thread before I or Dr zaist get this thread locked because of flaming or somthing.

Originally Posted by Koulatio

This is exactly what i ment when i said that. I'm starting to feel really sorry that I ever said that i want a new zelda that is built ground up for the wii. I think it may be getting some people confuzed. With that being said, i'm leaving this thread before I or Dr zaist get this thread locked because of flaming or somthing.

What? The only person in this thread whose posts could possibly be considered flaming is Mirren, and even that's a longshot.

I didn't know that Zaius could flame by posting with a confident tone and being doubtful of a topic...

Originally posted by DrZaius
Quality was exactly what I was referring to the entire time. I want to know how the fact that the new Zelda is built for the Wii up would automatically make it better then Twilight Princess.

That idea is false, obviously. But, a game built from the ground-up for Wii could definitely be larger than a GC game, and that brings the potential for a longer story mode, more content all around, grander sequences of gameplay etc. And even that doesn't make a game "better", but when done right those kind of attributes are good for a game.

An area that happens to have an open sky doesn't automatically make it larger then an area that doesn't. Each area is still essentially a room, and Metroid Prime 2 had more rooms to traverse then Metroid Prime 3 did.

Except Prime 3 has far larger rooms. You may not be able to traverse every last square inch of them, but they still had to be designed and maintained with the graphics and framerate.

It clearly seems to be personal.

Any other time? Probably. Not today, though.

Originally Posted by Jeff

That idea is false, obviously. But, a game built from the ground-up for Wii could definitely be larger than a GC game, and that brings the potential for a longer story mode, more content all around, grander sequences of gameplay etc. And even that doesn't make a game "better", but when done right those kind of attributes are good for a game.

That doesn't automatically make a Zelda game built for the Wii any better then the multitudes of Zelda games that weren't built for the Wii. The main reason games are made for the Wii is to utilize the unique controller; the differences between a Zelda game built for the Wii and Twilight Princess would be minimal in the Wiimote department.

Except Prime 3 has far larger rooms. You may not be able to traverse every last square inch of them, but they still had to be designed and maintained with the graphics and framerate.

The fact that the rooms are larger doesn't make the game bigger.

Any other time? Probably. Not today, though.

Why.

Originally posted by DrZaius
That doesn't automatically make a Zelda game built for the Wii any better then the multitudes of Zelda games that weren't built for the Wii.

No ****, I just said that.

The main reason games are made for the Wii is to utilize the unique controller; the differences between a Zelda game built for the Wii and Twilight Princess would be minimal in the Wiimote department.

Depends on what Motion+ turns out to be like. What more, they could design certain gameplay around the controls (such as puzzles), or make the combat more intricate than slashing vertically or horizontally.

The fact that the rooms are larger doesn't make the game bigger.

It makes the world that they had to create in-game bigger.

Why.

Because it could be someone that I like and respect, and I still would trust the developer over them.

Don't forget Link's Crossbow Training with Phantom Hourglass last year. I hope they tell us about an upcoming game soon.