Magic

Originally Posted by Tatle

I recently realized when Playing TP that there is no magic involved this pissed me off. Magic was replaced by lantern oil. No great fairies or any magic stuff at all was involved with link I liked thee game but now theyre just drifting away from number one zelda! Let me know what youll think.

In games, there's a golden rule about this. It's called "don't include anything that doesn't add to the game".



Ok I made that up, there is no golden rule. But it's called common sense. If there's no reason for there to be magic, then why include it? The game worked fine anyway.

The only item that required any sort of "magic" ammo was the lantern. So we got the lantern oil. Other than that, there were no magic items that needed a magic meter. Including ice and fire arrows for the sake of just including them would've been stupid. We have enough useless items as it is.

Oh, and "number one Zelda" didn't even have magic. It was introduced in AoL.

What this game was REALLY missing that I enjoyed from OoT was the use of magical instruments. It's fun changing day into night and affecting other details of the game with the instruments. I hated waiting for the sun to rise and set in TP.

I agree with that, I enjoy watching the sunrise but it was a total pain waiting for night and then for dawn - even though I want the days to be long. Still, they should give us an equivalent to the "Sun's song" in every game that uses the day/night cycle, unless the cycle is crucial for some puzzles.

Originally Posted by Senap

In games, there's a golden rule about this. It's called "don't include anything that doesn't add to the game".



Ok I made that up, there is no golden rule. But it's called common sense. If there's no reason for there to be magic, then why include it? The game worked fine anyway.

The only item that required any sort of "magic" ammo was the lantern. So we got the lantern oil. Other than that, there were no magic items that needed a magic meter. Including ice and fire arrows for the sake of just including them would've been stupid. We have enough useless items as it is.

Oh, and "number one Zelda" didn't even have magic. It was introduced in AoL.

Actually, there is a quote which could be used here -

"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." - Antoine de Saint-Expury


You forget the Magic Armor, but your point is still equally as valid.


And not only was magic introduced in AoL, magic has actually only been in 5 out of 14 Zelda games.

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

I was hoping that the magic arrows would be in TP. They were in WW with hardly any use at all.

But someone I liked the lack of a magic bar in TP. Must be me. O_o

The main use of each item its to make everything easier when fighting an enemy.

Originally Posted by サッボ

You forget the Magic Armor, but your point is still equally as valid.

Haha! Yes, I got it on my first playthrough to try it out but quickly forgot about it. I don't understand why they included it. They could've removed the dependency of Rupees and they could've made Link slower in battle or simply disable certain moves or something like that to even things out.

Originally Posted by xBenx

But, it still is considered magic. Link doesn't have to be the one to use them. They are stating that it has a lack of magic. Thus, it does have magic, the Light Arrows. Which are, indirectly, used by Link.

Of course, every zelda has some form of magic, but this thread is discussing the lack of magic meter in TP. Or, at least, that's what I understand it to mean.

Sometimes I wonder that there should be no use of magic in Zelda at all. But it sounds kind of silly actually.

They did TP well without any magic.

They did do tp well with out magic, but if they had put magic in it I would of liked it a whole lot better. I would of said tp is better than Oot, but too bad no magic

I think that magic would have been ok-only when needed. TP didn't need it.

You all seem to be forgetting that as Wolf Link, you used Midna's magic sometimes. (but still no magic meter )

On the back of TP's boxcover there is a picture of Link doing the Jump Strike and a magic meter...Also in some versions of TP if a Blue and Yellow Chuchu mix they make a green chuchu...if you scoop the green jelly it'll give you no definition...and the jelly doesn't do anything. xD

Nintendo obviously was going to have magic in TP. I bet it could've been used for Link's hidden skills, spin attack and maybe even Midna's magic too. Perhaps they decided to drop the magic meter because it would cause too many problems...pretty much, TP has magic without the magic meter...Link/Midna have no limits.

Originally Posted by Forsy

ok check this out...



Do my eyes deceive me or does that green bar under that row of hearts look somewhat like a MAGIC BAR!!
I noticed this before the game came out on the official zelda website in the screenshots section of the TP page.

When i first saw this i was excited to see that magic had made it into the new game but upon completion of the game i was confused, i thought that i may have done something wrong, or completely missed something, but i hadnt it just wasnt there.
Nintendo must have initially wanted to have magic in the game but something obviously changed their mind between when they started on the game and the release date.

It was originally intended to have magic in the game but they took it out because it wasn unnesescery to have it in the game. They obviously replaced the firearrows with the ball'n'chain that to me is more enjoyable than firearrows. And in no point of the game was there any indication of the need of icearrows so having only one of them would be unbalanced. And like in TWW Zelda was the one handling the Lightarrows in the bossfight so there was no need for them either. To me it seemed much nicer to have a more ralistic wiev in the lantern having to use oil instead of magic. And there are other games where there are no magic either and they are nice. There is no magic in TMC or PH either so it seems the new Zeldas have atleast for now passed beyond the magic usage.

Originally Posted by Guilthas

It was originally intended to have magic in the game but they took it out because it wasn unnesescery to have it in the game. They obviously replaced the firearrows with the ball'n'chain that to me is more enjoyable than firearrows. And in no point of the game was there any indication of the need of icearrows so having only one of them would be unbalanced. And like in TWW Zelda was the one handling the Lightarrows in the bossfight so there was no need for them either. To me it seemed much nicer to have a more ralistic wiev in the lantern having to use oil instead of magic. And there are other games where there are no magic either and they are nice. There is no magic in TMC or PH either so it seems the new Zeldas have atleast for now passed beyond the magic usage.

Like I was saying earlier, only around one third of the games have a magic meter - 5 of 14, to be exact.

I don't mind the lack of magic so much. It was already similar enough to OoT