My thoughts on the downfall of the Zelda franchise

Originally Posted by t3stm4ster

Nintendo disappoints yet again, with Zelda's shocking new look. I can't imagine why they decided to make Link look like this: a cartoony little 8-year old. Ok, so they say they're "using cel-shading to create this look, etc." I have no problem with this, except that they're doing this with a Zelda game. This is not the kind of advance in technology that a Zelda game should show for itself.
I personally am so ashamed of this Zelda game that I refuse to acknowledge it as one of the series, along with Seasons, Ages, and to an extent Majora's Mask.

I can't help but feel the same way about WW, but I wonder if it is because I expected something a lot more like OoT. I waited about 6 years for an OoT-like game and then there was WW instead, biggest disappointment ever! I think I would have liked WW if TP came out first, then WW would have been another game in between like MM (sorry everyone who thinks MM is the best game ) to wait for the 'real' new Zelda game, and there would've been a new Zelda for wii by now.

So what did you think of TP? I think that TP is a great game, but if it would have come out earlier on GC I would have been blown away by it, now it was just fun.

Originally Posted by Orici

Will never happen again? Unless you can predict the future, why should anyone believe that?


Disappointing?
MM had such beauty and depth to it, that I would never consider it a disappointment to it. The character interaction was amazing, and very fullfilling. The story was pretty epic. The introduction of a new land in 3D was also very well excecuted.
And the music...the music was brilliant.


In your opinion.
They had much success, despite having "bombed" as you say


Hee hee, you make me laugh.
First off, Link's 10 or 12, not 8:XD.
The cell-shading brought out immense emotion from the game, which helped to connect the players' emotions to the game. It worked out very well.
And if you refuse to acknowledge it as a Zelda game...well you're just bordering on delusional.


Why not a child?
I see no problem with it.


Too bad for you. Others are enjoying it.


You should switch to the XBox if you care so much for graphics.


Judging by appearances is a mistake.

Lucky you fixed him up before I did... Saves me time =)

Originally Posted by t3stm4ster

Without a doubt, Zelda 1-4 are classics: set-in-stone wonders that can never be defaced or undervalued. Zelda 5 was obviously the peak of Zelda. Phenomenal storyline coupled with amazing graphics: alas, that will never happen again.

Majora's Mask was a disappointment. Another attempt by Nintendo to expand Zelda's storyline by creating another land with a messed up villain. This was obviously a hastily-released game whose only goal was to absorb and bask in the glory of Ocarina of Time, which it failed to do. The ONLY good thing this game had going for it was the spectacular dungeon design: the only quality to surpass Ocarina of Time. But the end of the game comes up much too fast, after only four dungeons, the climax happens. Disappointing.

The two GBA Zeldas (Seasons and Ages) were a complete flop. Rushed and ill-marketed, these two games were without a doubt an attempt to establish a well-known and popular game franchise on a newly-introduced system, thereby having Zelda being a large factor in the success (or lack of) of Gameboy Advance. But it's nothing but a money drain, and these two games bombed.

So comes along gamecube, and with a series of Zelda failures behind it, you can hardly expect the ground-breaking success that Ocarina of Time enjoyed. To further my point, Nintendo made the worst mistake by showing everyone a sneak peak of upcoming gamecube games at Spaceworld long ago. Included in this was the famous 10-second-long duel between Link and Ganondorf. So we are obviously shown the capabilities of gamecube, and therefore this short clip has increased the hype of the next Zelda game immensely.

Nintendo disappoints yet again, with Zelda's shocking new look. I can't imagine why they decided to make Link look like this: a cartoony little 8-year old. Ok, so they say they're "using cel-shading to create this look, etc." I have no problem with this, except that they're doing this with a Zelda game. This is not the kind of advance in technology that a Zelda game should show for itself.
I personally am so ashamed of this Zelda game that I refuse to acknowledge it as one of the series, along with Seasons, Ages, and to an extent Majora's Mask.

Why does Nintendo feel it better to constantly make Link a little child? A full-length game with a 17-year-old Link with the Spaceworld's demo graphics would be so unbelievable it would certainly break Ocarina of Time's precedence.

Miyamoto's and Nintendo's ideas for Zelda since Majora's Mask have caused me to stop liking the series altogether, and only the classics can bring me back.

I consider storyline to be more important than graphics and/or gameplay, but I believe the game should at least appeal visually to fans, and if it doesn't do that, then good gameplay is all for naught if they decide not to buy it on account of its unattractive-ness.

People always say that graphics don't matter, it's the story and gameplay, but deep down, people are affected by their visual first impressions and will base at least part of their opinion on that first impression, consciously or otherwise.

I welcome replies and I really would like to know seriously why Nintendo decided to take this terrible new direction for Zelda. I appreciate your time.

This entire thread doesn't make sense. Let me tell you something youngster, Zelda will never be a downfall. I mean you have a franchise that is going 21 years strong and is more popular than sliced bread. Can you name me another franchise that popular that hasn't sold out to other bull****. Zelda sticks to its roots and yes most of them may be different but thats the beauty of it. I guess people are not accustomed to change. They want the same old crap over and over.......now to me that is a downfall

Originally Posted by Nathan

TP's graphics could of been better on the "port", yes. However, Twilight Princess is a Gamcube game. People forget that because they made an executive decision to release the wii version first. The graphics were the very best that the gamecube could produce. If your talking overall that the TP could of had better graphics for that time period, then I must remind you that OOT WAS NOT the best graphical game of it's time. PC games had already surpassed OOT at that time, and there was a little known system at the time known as the dreamcast.... that blew the graphics of the N64 and the playstation out of the water.

"all the garbage" as you you put it in the TP story line is only garbage to you now, because it's all been there and done that before in games like OOT. If OOT never existed, I think your opinion on the TP story line would of changed vastly.

As for the rest of the complaints in post one? I know I said I'd give a long winded reply... but it's just not worth the effort. All I can say is, to me, Majora's Mask was BETTER then OOT. There, I said it. Good day.

When I wrote "all that garbage," I wasn't saying it was garbage but just refering to it as any other plot ploy. And I'm not saying 'oh, Oot is the best blahblah' I was just comparing Oot to TP because TP was supposed to be it's sequel.

Originally Posted by 209116032

When I wrote "all that garbage," I wasn't saying it was garbage but just refering to it as any other plot ploy. And I'm not saying 'oh, Oot is the best blahblah' I was just comparing Oot to TP because TP was supposed to be it's sequel.

Says who? Twilight Princess is it's OWN game. If your looking for a direct sequel, see Majora's Mask.

Originally Posted by Alisoun

I can't help but feel the same way about WW, but I wonder if it is because I expected something a lot more like OoT. I waited about 6 years for an OoT-like game and then there was WW instead, biggest disappointment ever! I think I would have liked WW if TP came out first, then WW would have been another game in between like MM (sorry everyone who thinks MM is the best game ) to wait for the 'real' new Zelda game, and there would've been a new Zelda for wii by now.

So what did you think of TP? I think that TP is a great game, but if it would have come out earlier on GC I would have been blown away by it, now it was just fun.

Windwaker was, in no way whatsoever, a dissapointment.

My opinion... I didn't like much the first two Zeldas. Sure, they were other times, but there were adventure games that were much more advanced that these two in the same years. A Link to the Past and Link's Awakening are good, no doubt of that. Ocarina of Time was actually a very average game, and short to top it off. Majora's Mask was wonderful, I liked the characters, setting, story... just everything about it. I haven't played the oracles... the Wind Waker, it was overall a step down from Majora's Mask, but I liked it better than Ocarina of Time. The Four Sword games felt like filler, and I haven't finished yet Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass, so I'll shut up now.

Originally Posted by heroman

Windwaker was, in no way whatsoever, a dissapointment.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Nathan

Says who? Twilight Princess is it's OWN game. If your looking for a direct sequel, see Majora's Mask.

C'mon, obviously it's its own game but it is assumed as the sequel to Oot. Nintendo implies this with the graphic choice and reviews everywhere dubb it the "spiritual sequel." Just try to consider my argument

TP is not a sequel to OoT. The temple of time is in the wrong spot for it to be a sequel. The TOT would have to be right next to castle town, which its not.

Originally Posted by Master jedi

TP is not a sequel to OoT. The temple of time is in the wrong spot for it to be a sequel. The TOT would have to be right next to castle town, which its not.

Er...
TP is a sequel to OoT. It's not a direct one, but more of a chronological one. It branched off from OoT, involves the story of OoT...so how is it not a sequel?


--either way, that's not the point of this thread--

Originally Posted by Orici

Hee hee, you make me laugh.
First off, Link's 10 or 12, not 8:XD.
The cell-shading brought out immense emotion from the game, which helped to connect the players' emotions to the game. It worked out very well.
And if you refuse to acknowledge it as a Zelda game...well you're just bordering on delusional.

Either he's delusional as you say, or he's snorting a big ole' bag of crack over there... or something.

First of all, I've got to say that the whole series is shaken left and right with change. I mean, look at LoZ, then look at TP! Who on earth could imagine the 8-Bit hero would turn into that? And who could ever imagine that the once-bland world of Hyrule would become so beautiful?

I expect there actually will be no downfall for the Zelda franchise. I mean, look at what they have now! They will actually have the Wii controls doing something decent for Zelda Wii! And there will be change. There will.

By word of text, I keep hearing TP will be the last of its kind of Zelda games. Well PH gave us a wonderful preview into what just might be only a fraction of the change producers intend to make.

No doubt t3stm4ster is a hardcore classics fan. And there are people like him who will never change their damn minds about those "good ol' times" they had as a kid. But if classics are all you can appreciate... Don't expect much from your pile of games that you likely play over and over. New games have a lot of fun things to offer.

I think t3stm4ster may be a troll. He posted a single contreversial post that was bound to cuase arguments and hasn't shown up since.

You, sir, are an idiot. I'm not going to go quote-crazy, and I'm not going to make my post long and in-depth. However, I must say this...

Link is a kid. That's how it has been, that's how it was suppost to be. Don't like it? Fine. Go play something else.

Wind Waker was one of the best. In fact, in my humble opinion, it is only seconded by Majora's Mask. You are a very odd person to think that Wind Waker sucked just because of the graphics, and that Majora's Mask was bad just because it was a little short. It was made up for by the NPC interaction and the sidequests.

Dude, you had to have known this was going to happen.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

Dude, you had to have known this was going to happen.

If your talking to t3stm4ster well I think he's a troll or a coward. This was the only thread he has currently posted. He didn't even introduce himself. I think he's just a troll who made this topic just to incite an argument. Either that or he's a coward who can't face up to the fact that not everyone hates change as much as he does.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

Dude, you had to have known this was going to happen.

I sure do love it when people are specific.

*Looks innocently upward*

Originally Posted by Grumble Guru

I sure do love it when people are specific.

*Looks innocently upward*

I mean the flaming.

If your talking to t3stm4ster well I think he's a troll or a coward. This was the only thread he has currently posted. He didn't even introduce himself. I think he's just a troll who made this topic just to incite an argument. Either that or he's a coward who can't face up to the fact that not everyone hates change as much as he does.

Yes, I noticed that to.

Originally Posted by sage_of_fire

I mean the flaming.



Yes, I noticed that to.

I say someone should just lock this thread. t3stm4ster is the only one who really feels this way and he hasn't shown up since he posted. Let's just lock it and let all the one-sided arguments die.

Couldn't agree more actually. A one sided argument like this does seem kinda pointless.