'Demon Thief'

Ganondorf has often held the title 'demon thief.' And in a way, he was. He tried to take the Triforce, and he was partially demon (Ganon). But he was born a Gerudo. How would he suddenly become a demon? Some greater force? Long periods of meditation? I mean, kids aren't just born with the ability to transform into a giant, bloodthirsty boar thing. How did Ganondorf acquire the title of 'demon?'

Triforce of Power. Till then he was just a shifty creep.

In the adult timeline he became known as the Demon thief because he touched the Triforce and used it's power to turn into Ganon.
In the child timeline [specifically in TP] he's called the Demon thief even though [as far as we know] he hasn't turned into his Ganon form yet...this might be because the stories of his battle with the Hero of Time were known in the child timeline. We are told that the story was passed down through the Royal Family after Link returned to his own time and warned Zelda and the King.

Yes, but even in the child timeline he has fearsome powers...

Touching the Triforce has something to do with it, but even before that he had extroadinary powers (like knocking young Link on his back with an energy ball). And I think he sometimes could turn into Ganon even before touching the Triforce.

I don't remember if he ever touched it in TP. Did he?

The only time's he's ever turned into Ganon is if he has the Triforce or the Trident of Power.

And he doesn't touch the Triforce in TP, but he has the Trifroce of Power. I can explain why if you'd like.

It is assumed by many that he has it due to Link (OoT) having gained the Triforce of Courage at some time in the past. Also he also has on occasion used his Trident to transform without the Triforce being mentioned.

As for Knocking back young Link, several non-demonic creatures managed to do so to Adult Link, it's not much of a feat.

Originally Posted by Avalon

It is assumed by many that he has it due to Link (OoT) having gained the Triforce of Courage at some time in the past. Also he also has on occasion used his Trident to transform without the Triforce being mentioned.

As for Knocking back young Link, several non-demonic creatures managed to do so to Adult Link, it's not much of a feat.

Yeah. Link lost his ToC on the adult timeline side of OoT [Wind Waker tells us this] but he still has it on the child side. Thus, he obviously got to keep his Triforce, and thus the other two pieces sought out their owners...Zelda and Ganondorf.

And he obviously had very powerful magic prior to getting the Triforce. He managed to kill the Deku Tree and curse Jabu Jabu

Obviously. I was just referring to the blast in and of it's self... I'm assuming he held back, so Link could open the path. If he could kill the tree and weaken the fish, I'm certain that he could kill Link had he chosen to do so. Therefore the blast wasn't an impressive example of his powers.

Originally Posted by Avalon

Obviously. I was just referring to the blast in and of it's self... I'm assuming he held back, so Link could open the path. If he could kill the tree and weaken the fish, I'm certain that he could kill Link had he chosen to do so. Therefore the blast wasn't an impressive example of his powers.

I tink Ganondorf knew--or at least sensed--that Link was the one he needed to open the Sacred realm so he could seize the Triforce, hence why he didnt kill Link when he was a child. He probably halfway regrets that decision once Link dons the title of Hero of Time seven years later.

It's kind of funny, really. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are all connected, really. Ganondorf can never really kill either one of them because he will eventually need thier two Triforces. it's a constant struggle between the three of them.

As for Ganondorf knowing sorcery before officially acquiring Power, it might be in the Gerudian heritage. And look at Koume and Kotake. Those two were Ganondorf's surrogate mothers, and they clearly knew magic--the kidnapped Nabooru via a vortex of black magic, and then Twinrova in OoT. they probably taught it to him.

The Three Goddesses gave him the Triforce of Power.

^Forgot that for a moment, yes, another possible explaination is that it is was a "Devine Prank" that wound up giving him the Triforce of Power.

But they didn't just "give" him the Triforce of Power.
It was split somehow [likely by the theory I stated] and it was a "divine prank" because the Ganondorf had been born as the one chosen by the gods to obtain the ToP if the Triforce was to split.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

In the adult timeline he became known as the Demon thief because he touched the Triforce and used it's power to turn into Ganon.
In the child timeline [specifically in TP] he's called the Demon thief even though [as far as we know] he hasn't turned into his Ganon form yet...

He turns into Ganon in the 2nd boss form in TP.

How did he get the ToP in TP anyway? Its in the CT, so he hadn't stolen it yet.

Originally Posted by ShiekahSage

He turns into Ganon in the 2nd boss form in TP.

How did he get the ToP in TP anyway? Its in the CT, so he hadn't stolen it yet.

SheikaSage, what I meant was at the time of the execution scene where he's called a Demon, he hadn't yet turned into Ganon.

And if you look above, I gave a brief explanation for how he could have the ToP in the child timeline. PM me for the 'long answer'.

Was he called a Demon by the Sages that you were talking to, or was he called a demon by the Sages at the time of the execution. They could have meant Demon in a figurative sense, since he was stabbed in the chest by the sword and then broke out and went berserk.

Originally Posted by Avalon

Was he called a Demon by the Sages that you were talking to, or was he called a demon by the Sages at the time of the execution. They could have meant Demon in a figurative sense, since he was stabbed in the chest by the sword and then broke out and went berserk.

Hard to tell by the context. It could be either I suppose.

i thought he was called "the king of thieves" :/

Originally Posted by Sages

He was known as a demon thief, an
evil-magic wielder renowned for
his ruthlessness...

Actually, having looked at the quote again, the context suggests he was known as a 'demon' in the past tense. Thus, he was known as a demon at the time of his execution.
Possibly because the story of what he did in OoT adult side had been passed down by the Royal Family.

I don't know how he got that title, but, according to the time line since OoT was first, he gained his demond powers when he touched the triforce and got the Troforce of Courage.

Originally Posted by Midna_girl

I don't know how he got that title, but, according to the time line since OoT was first, he gained his demond powers when he touched the triforce and got the Troforce of Courage.

He never touched the Triforce in the child timeline though. And Ganon doesn't have the ToC, he has the ToP.