Twinrova.. same person or guardians of Ganondorf lineage?

Tal-N: Or the Imprisioning War, or the Fierce War, or one of the raids Ganon makes on Hyrule.. or a re-enactment of Mcbeth gone terribly wrong. This another case in point where you need to realise the difference between what is evidence and what is conjecture. Anything visual like that isn't evidence since it's open to multiple interpretations due to the limited information on what is happening or has happened.

L64: Except this story is also told in the manual, and it talks about it leading into the IW. So the manual and game together prove that this battle over the Triforce lead into the IW. Since this came before the first time that the Triforce was found and claimed, it also proves that it comes before the time when the King brought peace to Hyrule.

Tal-N: More thought goes into how a character looks and what they wear than you realise, a character designer not only handled the models, textures and animations. They also handle the previsualisation stages which involves masses of drawing. Designing places like the Temple of Time, Zelda ect.. all require a knowledge of what is happening in the game and a history of Hyrule so that it's represented in the games environment. They don't just sit down and hammer out random designs for environments, bosses, enemies and characters.

L64: You are wrong. A designer gets his sketches and constructs them in the game. That is it.

Tal-N: They also animate the cut scenes remember so they'd need to know the story.

L64: So in other words they read the same text that all of us have read? That hardly makes them an authority on things.

Tal-N: It's their story, they say what happens in it. We don't determine what happens in it therefore we rely on them to tell us what is happening. Yes it'll change over time, they will add new games but as it stands with current information there is a wealth of information from the existing games and from developer quotes that the IW didn't happen before OoT.

L64: That is just false. You don't know what you're talking about. On the other hand, the game info points to the IW happening before OoT. The creators even made OoT different than LttP just to prove that it isn't the IW. You're just in denial.
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Don't bother Luigi, your fanfic.. err... 'theory' was already ripped to shread by the guru's on the forum as well as the newbies. Anything i say has already been said by them, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Zelda history it seems so just drop it cause I'm not going to waste my time discussing something with someone who simply refuses to accept they are mistaken and thinks they knows more about Zelda than Miyamoto or anyone who worked on the games.

Like I said, you can't disprove my theory. But then again, you can't even bring up hard evidence to support your own weak theory, so I can't expect much.
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Originally posted by Tal-N
Don't bother Luigi, your fanfic.. err... 'theory' was already ripped to shread by the guru's on the forum as well as the newbies. Anything i say has already been said by them, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Zelda history it seems so just drop it cause I'm not going to waste my time discussing something with someone who simply refuses to accept they are mistaken and thinks they knows more about Zelda than Miyamoto or anyone who worked on the games.

Damn...there's some zest in that post. I like that.

Luigi.....I don't like your theory. It involves too much creating and assuming. TOO MUCH. Its alright to make a few things up when linking things together (I.E. Whatever I want to do), but not when most of the theory depends on doing things that way.

Don't waste time on him Zaius. We see what he's like now so save your breath trying to make him see reason or accept a view other than his own. Maybe if he's ignored enough he'll shut up or go away, it's the best any of us can hope for really.

DrZaius1, what is it exactlly that I create?
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In OOT, OOA and OOS, Twinrova are most certainly tied up with looking after poor little Ganon. But in MM, they have no more mundane a job than selling potions and giving tours of the swamp!

Perhaps the non-existance of Ganon in the Termina parallel-universe thing hints that Twinrova are obliged to look after Ganon, and in a world in which he does not exist, they live out normal lives.

How, or why, a pair of Gerudo witches started making potions and giving tours in a dingy swamp in another dimension is a strange enough point to bring up, so I think I'll stop here. :rolleyes:

Termina is a different dimension. Moons can have faces. Giant cabbages can sprout arms and legs and run amuck in the countryside without destroying a single thing. Guardians of the Great Evil King can run potion shops.

...which means that Termina should not be taken into account on anything. It has no effect on the overall timeline, so the concept of it should be destroyed immediately.

I always thought that almost everyone in Hyrule have twins in Termina. I mean, almost every person has a sort of twin there, even if they're dressed differently. I can't remember if the two witches have the same name in Termina, but if they do, it's probably them. Or, they just swapped names. I.E -- Koume is the ice-manipulating witch, but in Termina, Koume is the fire-manipulating witch.

Termina is like the island which Link lands on in LA, ok so that island was a dream but none the less it had alternates. The interesting fact is that alot of things in Termina had an alternate of sorts in Hyrule. If that's true then there is a Ganondorf alternate in there plus an alternate of Link, or at least a high probability of them.

I found it fasinating how the Ikana were quite a well known kingdom of old in Termina, wasn't there a couple off hand mentions of an Ikana kingdom also in the world of Hyrule?

LA was a dream? Nah... I don't believe that... You'll fail in convincing me about that one.

The alternate of Link was the Fierce Deity form he achieved through wearing the Fierce Deity mask, I think. I don't think everyone had alternates, though. If Ganon had any, it was probably the evil Majora's Mask.

And well, the Ikana Kingdom had fallen for some unknown time before Link ever visited that place... I even remember talking some zombies, they told me that they were circus artists in their former lives. They were dancing, too...

"LA was a dream? Nah... I don't believe that... You'll fail in convincing me about that one."

No, the island and it's inhabitants itself was a dream, it was created by the Windfish. In the end of LA you see the island vanish and the Windfish fly away, then you see Link floating on some driftwood. The question isn't if the island was or wasn't a dream, but was the Windfish itself a dream or was Link floating on that drift wood because it was after the island when poof....

The alternate of Link was the Fierce Deity form he achieved through wearing the Fierce Deity mask, I think. I don't think everyone had alternates, though. If Ganon had any, it was probably the evil Majora's Mask.

That's very possible since the Shieka are the shadow of Hylians, and it's clear that Oni-Link was one of that race. The thing is that the spirit of that fierce deity was found bound to Majora so it was a being that existed long ago when Majora was sealed into that mask. As I have theorized before it's possible that in order to keep Majora contained the mask needed to have a counter balance in the form of a 'good' diety which was this Shieka Link alternate.

"And well, the Ikana Kingdom had fallen for some unknown time before Link ever visited that place... I even remember talking some zombies, they told me that they were circus artists in their former lives. They were dancing, too..."

I don't mean just in Termina, maybe I'm mistaken but I recall a few offhand comments about there once being an Ikana kingdom in Hyrule as well which met with a similar fate. I think it was mentioned in reference to the Gerudo actually, something about them taking over the ruins of the old kingdom as their own. I'm not sure though, I might be getting my facts confused.

(edit: yeah I was mistaken. Not sure where I got the idea of there being an Ikana kingdom in Hyrule as well. The interesting point when looking a the MM textdump is that the Ikana appear to actually be the alternates to the Hylian kingdom. You have Dampe guarding the graveyard for the royals, you have the composers ect.. all of whom were connected to the Hylian royalty in Hyrule so it indicates a clear opposite there.)