The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

Link and Navi is okay, but I'm not exactly fond of cross-species.

Okay granted Midna is a different 'specie', but she at least is humanoid. Don't get me wrong, Link x Navi is okay. It's just when the species are vastly different, then I don't really support it. Keyword: Vastly.

Well, we know that fairies are humanoid due to their appearances in the newer games, so all that you would need do is figure out a way to eliminate the size difference.

PH is one of the more newer games and they appeared to be balls of light in that.

Course they do transform into humanoid fairies I think, but still.

MM, OoT, and TP have presented us with humanoid fairies, so what about those games?

OOT/MM Link never struck me as the type that would know anything about romance so I truly doubt he ever loved Navi or Tatl the same way as TP Link loved Midna.

Well, TP Link and OoT Link were two different people at two different places in life. OoT Link could gain an understanding of romance, but I doubt it would take place until after MM with, because of the story, Navi seems the most likely person.

Maybe Navi is the most likely since OOT/MM Link doesn't even seem remotely interested in any normal females in that type of way Zelda included. Ironically Zelda has the most votes on the poll so go figure. (Shrugs)

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Maybe Navi is the most likely since OOT/MM Link doesn't even seem remotely interested in any normal females in that type of way Zelda included. Ironically Zelda has the most votes on the poll so go figure. (Shrugs)

It's because of opinions, duh. >_> That and some people may have always supported those pairings and don't feel comfortable giving up their pairing beliefs.

The LinkxZelda pairing is a couple based on eight hundred year old medievel cliches. The characters haven't had enough interaction to even come close to warranting a romantic relationship. Conversations between the two have generally lasted less than five minutes. I actually did a parody of the pairing if anybody would be interested in reading it.

Oh yeah I agree with you Goron Moron. I'm just interested in discussing how this Navi love affair Sir Caliber has presented can superscede Zelda, Malon, Ruto, or Saria.

Edit: PM me on that parody you were talking about Sir Caliber.

Originally Posted by Sir Calibur

The LinkxZelda pairing is a couple based on eight hundred year old medievel cliches. The characters haven't had enough interaction to even come close to warranting a romantic relationship. Conversations between the two have generally lasted less than five minutes. I actually did a parody of the pairing if anybody would be interested in reading it.

Interesting, a parody. Hmm,. maybe later.

That gives me an idea to write something as a parody to.... well, any pairing.

If you're interested in the parody, then the link can be found...wait for it...here. Make sure to review so I can continue to inflate my ego.

Now, the reason the NaLink/MiLink pairing supercedes most of the other pairings (save perhaps SaLink) is really just because of the amount of time Navi and Midna spend with Link compared to all the other characters. Did Zelda accompany Link through the life threatening situations her "quest" put him through in OoT? No, I think not.

Was Zelda there to help Link survive the twisted version of the Twilight? No, Midna was. Their relationship seemed more master/servant at first, but it was more than obvious that there were hints of romance between the two.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Believe it or not I really like your theory a whole lot. I mean if TP Zelda offered Link a position as official royal sex slave how can he refuse??

LOL. Not quite the way I'd have put it

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I'm pretty sure Link would accept Midnas loss very well in that scenario so no arguement here from me. But IMO Zelda would just have to simply ask Link to do her bidding knowing full well that he would never refuse her. Link is notorious for doing favors without asking anything in return so I truly doubt Zelda ever has to resort to bribing him with land & money or forcing him to marry her.

Three points to that:

• Firstly, he's galloping at full speed away from Ordon at the end of the game, without a glance backward. That's not the action of someone who's not reconciled to whatever he's planning to do - whether that's "see Zelda", "try and find a way to reach Midna" or simply "get the hell out of town".
  
• Secondly, at a bit of a tangent, the MM-Link, when Zelda clearly wanted him to stay and they'd clearly grown close, left (i.e., he refused her); and it would seem TP-Link has done something similar with Ilia given the way she's standing, watching him go. I think that if he's determined to go, it would take something slightly shocking to make him stay - and a simple request wouldn't fit the bill.
  
• Thirdly, requests made of TP-Link in the course of the game fall into two basic categories:
  1. The main plot is mostly made up of debts, obligations and pushes until you get the Master Sword (first, you're trapped as a wolf until you get the Tears of Light the first time, then you need to rescue the kids, then Ilia - and as Midna points out, if you stop once you rescue Ilia, the whole thing could reset, and you'd have to do it all again - and then you're trapped as a wolf and need to regain human form again. And even once you have the Master Sword, you have Zelda's sacrifice to weigh on you and Midna, as well as the potential for the whole mess to restart. It's altruistic in a sense, but there's also a hefty degree of "Enlightened Self-Interest" at work. Once the wildfire's out, at the end of the game where Zant and Ganondorf are both dead, that's gone.
  2. Side-quests. How many of these which are started by a request from someone don't include at least a strongly implied promise of a reward from the start, and how many of the remainder don't give you a reward at the successful completion? Few and none.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

As for Zelda marrying an alternative nobleman/suitor, I would like to think that OOT or TP Zelda would at least love the guy or just not get married at all.

Oh, she'd have to marry, and to do so while still fairly young - any King, Queen, or direct heir to the throne (i.e., the Crown Prince or Princess) needs to marry and have at least one kid to ensure the succession of their bloodline, especially in an absolute monarchy (as Hyrule appears to be).

Originally Posted by Sir Calibur

MM, OoT, and TP have presented us with humanoid fairies, so what about those games?

Quite the opposite - the Great Fairies in those games were humanoid, but in all three of those games (even TP, the newest 3D game), the standard fairies (of which Navi and Tatl were just slight variations) were of the "balls of light with wings" type.

Wind Waker had humanoid small fairies, but the Great Fairies (or the closest approximation, since all but one gave you item capacity upgrades rather than magic or health upgrades, their usual role) were completely unlike fairies in the other 3D games, being black (with VERY dark skin) and four-armed, so I'm not sure how much bearing that has on Child Timeline evidence. And even within the Wind Waker "arc", Goron Moron's said that the small fairies reverted to "balls of light with wings" for PH.

My only theory is that little fairies can cover themselves in balls of light at will. :/

Then again, TWW seemed like it was more directed to younger players anyway. I guess balls of light would seem too confusing for young kids. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Reboot

Oh, she'd have to marry, and to do so while still fairly young - any King, Queen, or direct heir to the throne (i.e., the Crown Prince or Princess) needs to marry and have at least one kid to ensure the succession of their bloodline, especially in an absolute monarchy (as Hyrule appears to be).

I agree but the point I was trying to make is that Zelda would benefit more with a well spoken/royal educated nobleman to rule by her side than someone like Link who would be more of a liability than an asset since he has no leadership skills or knowledge of royal protocol.

As for TP Link I think he was riding away from Ordon to go serve as a knight under Zelda anyway to honor Midna's memory or something like that. But the conclusion to TP is vague so I'm not certain if Link is riding back to Hyrule Castle/Town

Well, the idea I use behind the Fairies' glow in my story is that it serves as somewhat of a trust meter. When a Kokiri and a Fairy first meet, the Kokiri's eyes can't even pierce the glow. Once they've been together for a while though, the Fairy slowly lets their glow down just for the eyes of her partner.

Originally Posted by Sir Calibur

Well, the idea I use behind the Fairies' glow in my story is that it serves as somewhat of a trust meter. When a Kokiri and a Fairy first meet, the Kokiri's eyes can't even pierce the glow. Once they've been together for a while though, the Fairy slowly lets their glow down just for the eyes of her partner.

What's so secret about them revealing their underselves? They are probably just smaller human beings with wings, like Tinkerbell in Peter Pan.

And does this have anything to do with "Romance?"

Unless you're trying to bring up that Navi and Link can be partners in future, then I have nothing to argue about.

Originally Posted by Eternal Legend

What's so secret about them revealing their underselves? They are probably just smaller human beings with wings, like Tinkerbell in Peter Pan.

And does this have anything to do with "Romance?"

Unless you're trying to bring up that Navi and Link can be partners in future, then I have nothing to argue about.

Also, Link isn't the only one who has fairies. Even the common Kokiri have fairies. :/

So does that mean the kokiri engage in weird romantic relationships with their fairies?? As for Link and Navi that reminds me that I have read some disturbing theories from fanfics that Navi and Saria both molest child Link to keep Link emotionally attached to them. Something to do with comforting Link and him allowing them to touch him in weird places. I have also read some morally questionable Child LinkxZelda fanfics as well. Gilderpilot probably knows more about what I'm talking about.

Who knew that Navi could be become such a pedophile.

But seriously, I don't think it is the jobs of the fairies to "relate" to their partners in such sexual ways. Because that would be weird... And disturbing.

But you know, it's interesting to see how some people's minds work