The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

But...I still think Malon stands a chance in the child timeline because in OOT when you travel back and forth between times, when Link is a child he can't even get into Hyrule castle to see Zelda anymore.

If you are referring to the time I think you are, Link was in the middle of a quest: he doesn't have time to fool around. When he is returned to the past, he can see Zelda anytime he wants. That's evidenced by him returning at the end of OoT, the beginning of MM, and after MM to tell the legend of MM.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

So by default he would be likely hanging around LonLon ranch with Malon more often than Hyrule Castle with Zelda. Its not too impossible to believe that in this situation Link can develop a sweet innocent relationship over the years with Malon as well as Zelda, since it seems Link will be getting kicked out of Hyrule Castle often for not behaving or whatever. Besides I like to think that Child Link would more enjoy being at LonLon ranch with more freedom to run and play and be his adorable self in the company of Malon and Epona. In Hyrule Castle it seems Child Link would have to follow a bunch of stupid rules in living there and little Zelda's responsibility would be to keep Link out of mischief so he won't be kicked out of the Castle. Though I think little Link truly enjoys being around Zelda and living in the Castle but at times it would seem that lifestyle would get old on little Link and he may want an excuse to leave to be around Malon and Epona once in awhile where he can be more of himself if Zelda would permit him.

By default? He's got plenty of other places to visit if he wants to.
As far as Link enjoying himself, Zelda is a tomboy. That means she likely prefers things that most boys do...climbing trees, weaponry, swimming, etc. He'd likely have an awesome time with her. Malon in contrast likes to stand around in a pasture, sing and likely daydream. Which one is he likely going to want to do? I see it as the difference between a tomboy and a girly-girl...the level of comfort would be higher with Zelda. In reality, think about it. When you were 10/11, who would you rather hang out with? A girl who wants to play outside or one who wants to play Barbies?

You assume Link is some little mischief-maker that is uncontrollable. I'd rather think he's a polite little kid. The scientist in MM's observatory even remarks on it in comparison to the Skull Kid. He's still a hero...someone who does good for others rather than cause misery.

Ultimately though, I think Link's preference is ultimately subjective. For every person who says "Link clearly loves X" there will be someone who vehemently denies that the games depict any romance whatsoever. I guess you could call them "anti-shippers."

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

If you are referring to the time I think you are, Link was in the middle of a quest: he doesn't have time to fool around. When he is returned to the past, he can see Zelda anytime he wants. That's evidenced by him returning at the end of OoT, the beginning of MM, and after MM to tell the legend of MM.


By default? He's got plenty of other places to visit if he wants to.
As far as Link enjoying himself, Zelda is a tomboy. That means she likely prefers things that most boys do...climbing trees, weaponry, swimming, etc. He'd likely have an awesome time with her. Malon in contrast likes to stand around in a pasture, sing and likely daydream. Which one is he likely going to want to do? I see it as the difference between a tomboy and a girly-girl...the level of comfort would be higher with Zelda. In reality, think about it. When you were 10/11, who would you rather hang out with? A girl who wants to play outside or one who wants to play Barbies?

You assume Link is some little mischief-maker that is uncontrollable. I'd rather think he's a polite little kid. The scientist in MM's observatory even remarks on it in comparison to the Skull Kid. He's still a hero...someone who does good for others rather than cause misery.

I should have maybe stated it like during the OOT quest, Link can begin the foundation of starting a sweet innocent relationship with Malon since he has access there. And of course Epona is there and I can see him visiting LonLon ranch very often to hone his horseriding skills as he grows up. Since Malon lives there, it would not be so far fetched that he can establish a relationship of trust, honesty, faith and all that other good stuff with Malon as well as Zelda. Plus since Zelda is very compassionate and understanding to Link, she should be able to allow Link to go to LonLon ranch and socially interract with Malon as he pleases.

OK...Link being a bad brat is highly unlikely. When I meant mischivious, its more like an innocent and curious type of mischief. But for some reason I still can't see him roaming around Hyrule Castle unsupervised by Zelda. I will say this that I liked your TOMBOY point on relating to Zelda. Thats one reason why I like OOT Zelda's character better than TP Zelda's, who seems more to me to be a well defined stereotype and nothing more. Still the TOMBOY point does not relate as well in the adult timeline as it does the child one I'm afraid. Simply because Link did not grow up with Zelda and his child like state of mind would only keep the LinkxZelda relationship as strictly only pure and innocent with Zelda being a more nurturing motherly type to Link than a romantic lover.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I should have maybe stated it like during the OOT quest, Link can begin the foundation of starting a sweet innocent relationship with Malon since he has access there. And of course Epona is there and I can see him visiting LonLon ranch very often to hone his horseriding skills as he grows up. Since Malon lives there, it would not be so far fetched that he can establish a relationship of trust, honesty, faith and all that other good stuff with Malon as well as Zelda. Plus since Zelda is very compassionate and understanding to Link, she should be able to allow Link to go to LonLon ranch and socially interract with Malon as he pleases.

OK...Link being a bad brat is highly unlikely. When I meant mischivious, its more like an innocent and curious type of mischief. But for some reason I still can't see him roaming around Hyrule Castle unsupervised by Zelda. I will say this that I liked your TOMBOY point on relating to Zelda. Thats one reason why I like OOT Zelda's character better than TP Zelda's, who seems more to me to be a well defined stereotype and nothing more. Still the TOMBOY point does not relate as well in the adult timeline as it does the child one I'm afraid. Simply because Link did not grow up with Zelda and his child like state of mind would only keep the LinkxZelda relationship as strictly only pure and innocent with Zelda being a more nurturing motherly type to Link than a romantic lover.

The tomboy point actually applies extra in the adult timeline, Zelda dresses like a guy for seven years! In all that time, she likely didn't stop to put on a dress and look pretty in a mirror. Also, the theoretic adult timeline is impossible, as I've said before. And, in the child timeline, what makes you think Links' full attention isn't on Zelda, preventing him from commiting any mischief? Also: trust, honesty and faith are usually qualities in friendship and, since Link likely spends more time with Zelda, might not develope into anything more. And he had a pretty good amount of time to practice back in the adult timeline.

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

The tomboy point actually applies extra in the adult timeline, Zelda dresses like a guy for seven years! In all that time, she likely didn't stop to put on a dress and look pretty in a mirror. Also, the theoretic adult timeline is impossible, as I've said before. And, in the child timeline, what makes you think Links' full attention isn't on Zelda, preventing him from commiting any mischief? Also: trust, honesty and faith are usually qualities in friendship and, since Link likely spends more time with Zelda, might not develope into anything more. And he had a pretty good amount of time to practice back in the adult timeline.

Very true. I thought it took great strength for her to hide so well and throw off any vanity to become Sheik.

Good point. In my mind, Link made his decision when he decided to return to Zelda at the end of OoT. He was given a fresh start and he still chose Zelda...why would he do a 180 and suddenly desire to be with Malon?

This insistence that Link needs Zelda's permission to visit Malon seems a bit weak to me. She's never prevented him from doing anything he wanted before..why would she? She sets him free, not ties him down.

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

The tomboy point actually applies extra in the adult timeline, Zelda dresses like a guy for seven years! In all that time, she likely didn't stop to put on a dress and look pretty in a mirror. Also, the theoretic adult timeline is impossible, as I've said before. And, in the child timeline, what makes you think Links' full attention isn't on Zelda, preventing him from commiting any mischief? Also: trust, honesty and faith are usually qualities in friendship and, since Link likely spends more time with Zelda, might not develope into anything more. And he had a pretty good amount of time to practice back in the adult timeline.

I didn't mean to say that Zelda is not a tomboy in the Adult timeline as her Sheikah alter ego indicates. Its just its completely irrelevant in developing a budding romance with Link since he was in limbo for seven years and all she did was give hints to Link on how to progress in his quest. So to me there was nothing in the game that indicated any type of romance in Link being attracted to Zelda as Sheikah, and if for some reason there was it would only indicate to me that Link has homosexual feelings and nothing more.

Its impossible to know for sure who Link spends more time with in the child timeline. But IMO the beloved cutscene in MM where Zelda has her back turned to Link and Epona who were together side by side indicated to me that he had spent a considerable amount of time at LonLon ranch in improving his horseriding skills to get ready for his MM quest. So I don't think its that unbelievable to believe that his relationship/friendship with Malon is every bit as important as his relationship with Zelda.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Very true. I thought it took great strength for her to hide so well and throw off any vanity to become Sheik.

Good point. In my mind, Link made his decision when he decided to return to Zelda at the end of OoT. He was given a fresh start and he still chose Zelda...why would he do a 180 and suddenly desire to be with Malon?

This insistence that Link needs Zelda's permission to visit Malon seems a bit weak to me. She's never prevented him from doing anything he wanted before..why would she? She sets him free, not ties him down.

Really?? Then that would support more for a LinkxMalon pairing in both timelines.

But yeah...I agree with your point that had Link stayed in the Adult Timeline he would more than likely end up with Malon. But there was nothing for me to believe that the reason he chose to go back to being a child was because he wanted to avoid being with Malon at all. It was more like he gave Zelda the ocarina because he knew that he would have been awkwardly out of place as an adult with the mind of a child. Him going back at the end of OOT was more to the point that he chose to be normal again rather than making some narrow minded decision that he wants to be stuck at Zeldas hip forever and ever.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I didn't mean to say that Zelda is not a tomboy in the Adult timeline as her Sheikah alter ego indicates. Its just its completely irrelevant in developing a budding romance with Link since he was in limbo for seven years and all she did was give hints to Link on how to progress in his quest. So to me there was nothing in the game that indicated any type of romance in Link being attracted to Zelda as Sheikah, and if for some reason there was it would only indicate to me that Link has homosexual feelings and nothing more.

Something to consider. Most are quick to label the things Sheik says as referring solely to the mission: " Young love becomes deep affection " -> Ruto's situation etc....has it ever been considered that Zelda's words may have had a double meaning? As in referring to herself as well? She can easily be talking about herself and Link as well. Same with "The power of the heart" and such.
As for how Link felt about Sheik, I've always seen it as him getting confusing feelings because he doesn't realize it's Zelda underneath. This personality is attracting him, yet not the appearance.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Its impossible to know for sure who Link spends more time with in the child timeline. But IMO the beloved cutscene in MM where Zelda has her back turned to Link and Epona who were together side by side indicated to me that he had spent a considerable amount of time at LonLon ranch in improving his horseriding skills to get ready for his MM quest. So I don't think its that unbelievable to believe that his relationship/friendship with Malon is every bit as important as his relationship with Zelda.

IMO, if I followed the game's inference's, I would judge Zelda as more important. He doesn't remember Malon in an emotional cutscene, and when he sees Romani for the first time ( the spitting image of Malon ) he runs right past without even a glance to get to Epona. It's very possible Epona means more to him than Malon and his association may be only to get Epona.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Really?? Then that would support more for a LinkxMalon pairing in both timelines.

No it wouldn't. All I am saying is that Zelda in love sets Link free. Just because he is free to go to Malon doesn't mean he would desire to. You may have misunderstood me: "She" was Zelda, not Malon. If I had to judge Malon, I'd see her more likely to tie him down than Zelda ever would. Look at the way she handles her father. Link wouldn't likely get a free pass to leave whenever he wanted to.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

It was more like he gave Zelda the ocarina because he knew that he would have been awkwardly out of place as an adult with the mind of a child. Him going back at the end of OOT was more to the point that he chose to be normal again rather than making some narrow minded decision that he wants to be stuck at Zeldas hip forever and ever.

Or because he knew how important it was to her to make things right. Link looked hesitant...he knew he would have to give up being an adult and all that went with it.

I don't agree with you. If Link had wanted to be normal, he would have walked away from the Temple of Time and never seen Zelda again. Instead he went right back to Zelda's side and resumed contact with her.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Something to consider. Most are quick to label the things Sheik says as referring solely to the mission: " Young love becomes deep affection " -> Ruto's situation etc....has it ever been considered that Zelda's words may have had a double meaning? As in referring to herself as well? She can easily be talking about herself and Link as well. Same with "The power of the heart" and such.
As for how Link felt about Sheik, I've always seen it as him getting confusing feelings because he doesn't realize it's Zelda underneath. This personality is attracting him, yet not the appearance.

IMO, if I followed the game's inference's, I would judge Zelda as more important. He doesn't remember Malon in an emotional cutscene, and when he sees Romani for the first time ( the spitting image of Malon ) he runs right past without even a glance to get to Epona. It's very possible Epona means more to him than Malon and his association may be only to get Epona.



No it wouldn't. All I am saying is that Zelda in love sets Link free. Just because he is free to go to Malon doesn't mean he would desire to. You may have misunderstood me: "She" was Zelda, not Malon. If I had to judge Malon, I'd see her more likely to tie him down than Zelda ever would. Look at the way she handles her father. Link wouldn't likely get a free pass to leave whenever he wanted to.



Or because he knew how important it was to her to make things right. Link looked hesitant...he knew he would have to give up being an adult and all that went with it.

I don't agree with you. If Link had wanted to be normal, he would have walked away from the Temple of Time and never seen Zelda again. Instead he went right back to Zelda's side and resumed contact with her.

I was going to reply earlier, but I lost my connection due to a power outage. Thankfully, I got a laptop and I was able to save the post in word, saving me a lot of trouble.

Judging child-minded OoT Link's actions to be based on romantic feelings actually doesn't make sense. He doesn't understand love at all, and still doesn't in MM (they say something about that during the Anju/Kafei sidequest). For a clearer picture, we would need a sequel to MM with OoT/MM Link when he's much older and has a better understanding of things. The scene where he goes back to Zelda could be interpreted as him simply going to her out of a sense of duty. Also, as far as that what Sheik said to Ruto also standing for Zelda, that would only be one-sided. Link only sees her twice before becoming an adult, unless you control him to visit her more often. Even the idea that she had developed feelings for him in those two visits would simply mean that she had gained an infatuation for him (infatuation and love are, in fact, two different things completely). Being without any contact with Link for seven years would have caused her to grow out of the infatuation, which leads to the quote being solely about Ruto (which is also one-sided in itself). He actually is capable of knowlingly seeing Malon much more often than Zelda, and it is almost required to see her more when you are playing the game through in an attempt to get everything. Also, Link running by Romani in MM is likely because he's seen so many parallels that he already knows that it's definitely not Malon and could easily have a completely different personality, so, naturally, Epona would mean more to him than a complete stranger. Plus, you could easily choose to talk to her before going up to Epona instead of run right by her. The running right by her could also be simply because the player would rather get back Epona than talk to some girl who thinks that the ranch is going to be attacked by aliens and calls you Grasshopper.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

Judging child-minded OoT Link's actions to be based on romantic feelings actually doesn't make sense. He doesn't understand love at all, and still doesn't in MM (they say something about that during the Anju/Kafei sidequest).

You can't prove he had the mind of a child when he was an adult. I still don't believe it because of his actions and bearing.

Also, not understanding love doesn't mean he can't feel it. He just may not recognize it for what it is.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

For a clearer picture, we would need a sequel to MM with OoT/MM Link when he's much older and has a better understanding of things. The scene where he goes back to Zelda could be interpreted as him simply going to her out of a sense of duty.

Maybe, but I wouldn't consider it likely in such a heavily sentimental ending.
There was too much emotion in the "goodbye" for me to see the last scene as pure duty.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

Also, as far as that what Sheik said to Ruto also standing for Zelda, that would only be one-sided. Link only sees her twice before becoming an adult, unless you control him to visit her more often. Even the idea that she had developed feelings for him in those two visits would simply mean that she had gained an infatuation for him (infatuation and love are, in fact, two different things completely). Being without any contact with Link for seven years would have caused her to grow out of the infatuation, which leads to the quote being solely about Ruto (which is also one-sided in itself).

I'm actually thinking Zelda's feelings for Link grew throughout his time as an adult. What started as childish affection bloomed into more as she saw this wonderful man save her land and search unfailingly for her.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

He actually is capable of knowlingly seeing Malon much more often than Zelda, and it is almost required to see her more when you are playing the game through in an attempt to get everything.

If you can eliminate Zelda based on him seeing her little, the same can be applied to Malon. She is optional, and not everyone will visit the ranch often. ( A point I've seen applied before: who ever heard of the main love interest being optional? Not me. ) In terms of the quality of the time they spend together, I don't think too highly of it. She didn't even recognize him as an adult until a horse did.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

Also, Link running by Romani in MM is likely because he's seen so many parallels that he already knows that it's definitely not Malon and could easily have a completely different personality, so, naturally, Epona would mean more to him than a complete stranger. Plus, you could easily choose to talk to her before going up to Epona instead of run right by her. The running right by her could also be simply because the player would rather get back Epona than talk to some girl who thinks that the ranch is going to be attacked by aliens and calls you Grasshopper.

I'm talking about the cutscene where Tatl points out Epona, before you can approach Romani. I would still expect him to react initially to her appearance if Malon was indeed his "special one", even knowing it isn't her. If Link had come across a double of Zelda, I would have expected a reaction. When Zelda does appear ( in his memory ) he's pretty much stopped cold by the thought of her.

I agree that Romani is not Malon though, and neither is Cremia. That also means that any relationship he forms with either doesn't affect his relationship with Malon.

There's a Malon double in MM who calls Link 'Grasshopper' and thinks a ranch is going to be attacked by aliens???? I never got far in MM, my friend lent it to me a long time ago and wanted it back shortly after... I wasn't too good at it either...

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

There's a Malon double in MM who calls Link 'Grasshopper' and thinks a ranch is going to be attacked by aliens???? I never got far in MM, my friend lent it to me a long time ago and wanted it back shortly after... I wasn't too good at it either...

There are 2 Malon doubles in MM, Romani and Cremia. Romani is the younger Malon double, while Cremia is a double of older Malon. When you go to Romani Ranch, if you choose to, you can defend the ranch from an alien attack. If you fail, then the aliens steal the cows and kidnap Romani. She is returned later on. If you succeed, you can then go even further and help Cremia defend her coach during a milk delivery to Clock Town by shooting the Gorman Brothers with your bow. Of course, the whole thing is optional.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Something to consider. Most are quick to label the things Sheik says as referring solely to the mission: " Young love becomes deep affection " -> Ruto's situation etc....has it ever been considered that Zelda's words may have had a double meaning? As in referring to herself as well? She can easily be talking about herself and Link as well. Same with "The power of the heart" and such.
As for how Link felt about Sheik, I've always seen it as him getting confusing feelings because he doesn't realize it's Zelda underneath. This personality is attracting him, yet not the appearance.

IMO, if I followed the game's inference's, I would judge Zelda as more important. He doesn't remember Malon in an emotional cutscene, and when he sees Romani for the first time ( the spitting image of Malon ) he runs right past without even a glance to get to Epona. It's very possible Epona means more to him than Malon and his association may be only to get Epona.



No it wouldn't. All I am saying is that Zelda in love sets Link free. Just because he is free to go to Malon doesn't mean he would desire to. You may have misunderstood me: "She" was Zelda, not Malon. If I had to judge Malon, I'd see her more likely to tie him down than Zelda ever would. Look at the way she handles her father. Link wouldn't likely get a free pass to leave whenever he wanted to.



Or because he knew how important it was to her to make things right. Link looked hesitant...he knew he would have to give up being an adult and all that went with it.

I don't agree with you. If Link had wanted to be normal, he would have walked away from the Temple of Time and never seen Zelda again. Instead he went right back to Zelda's side and resumed contact with her.

I only feel that Link simply went to Zelda after he returned as a child, mainly because Hyrule Castle was closer than LonLon ranch. Or maybe since Zelda was the last person he saw as an adult he would feel a need to see her first to maybe talk about what he had been through. As for the MM cutscene you mentioned, well I can just turn that around on you and mention the Cremia hugging scene.

As for adult timeline Zelda being attracted to Link, I kind of felt that she was secretly wanting Link to stay as an adult because maybe she may have found him physically attractive and may have also liked the fact that he was sweet, gentle, and obedient. On top of that Link being an untainted and unspoiled virgin with a fairy hovering above him, making him look even more angelic than he already was, may have made Zelda even desire Link even more.

But I feel Zelda used the TOW and looked into the future and saw that she would never lower herself to seduce Link and teach him about the birds and the bees. Since Malon is deemed as the floozy other woman in this thread, then it would be very easy to believe that the preciously sacred and hallowed prize of Links sweet virginity would easily be won by her eventually. Fairy and all. So for Zeldas sake it was good for her to send him back to the child timeline because IMO thats the best chance for LinkxZelda to happen

You guys see the last scean of OoT Zelda and Link together as romantic, and Im not dissagreing with you, im just saying the emotion of the scean could be because of something different.

Think of it like this, it is bitter-sweet for Zelda, who has bean trying to stop Ganon for years, finaly having done that, but must live with the world as Ganon left it, she cant undo what Ganon has done in a day, but she can send Link back to before it happens. Any romantic fealing she might have had must have been only a fraction of the emotion she felt at that time.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

As for the MM cutscene you mentioned, well I can just turn that around on you and mention the Cremia hugging scene.

That was no initial ( automatic ) reaction though, he had known Cremia for 2 days before this: he is well aware at this point that despite her looks, she is not Malon. She's just had a heart-to-heart describing her own unique problems too, making her a very different person from Malon. For him to be seeing Cremia, talking about Cremia, thinking about Cremia and suddenly love Malon because of a hug...that makes no sense.

Another point unrelated:
Someone made a brilliant observation about love to me tonight, one I think deserves thought: " True love is not finding someone you can live with, it's finding someone you can't live without. "

When I compare these two girls...I feel it's clear the one Link can't live without is Zelda. Maybe he left in MM, but I think her flashback in Termina may have been a rude awakening to his mistake in leaving: I actually got the impression he missed her. Same with when he materialized again in the Temple of Time as a child. I've never gotten any feeling that he's missed Malon or cares about her in any way more than a friend.

Originally Posted by James the red

You guys see the last scean of OoT Zelda and Link together as romantic, and Im not dissagreing with you, im just saying the emotion of the scean could be because of something different.

Think of it like this, it is bitter-sweet for Zelda, who has bean trying to stop Ganon for years, finaly having done that, but must live with the world as Ganon left it, she cant undo what Ganon has done in a day, but she can send Link back to before it happens. Any romantic fealing she might have had must have been only a fraction of the emotion she felt at that time.

I agree with you my friend. That last cutscene with LinkxZelda had no romance in it whatsoever. Link just stood there quietly with that infamous blank and bewildered look on his face as Zelda apologized to Link for dragging him into the whole mess. Nope no romance here

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

IMO, if I followed the game's inference's, I would judge Zelda as more important. He doesn't remember Malon in an emotional cutscene, and when he sees Romani for the first time ( the spitting image of Malon ) he runs right past without even a glance to get to Epona. It's very possible Epona means more to him than Malon and his association may be only to get Epona

If I remember correctly I talked to Romani first before I approached Epona. So I guess Malon means more to me than Epona.And yes I agree that Link can't live without Zelda. But that can be as a lover as well as a best friend and confidante.

i think Marin goes well with link. Also, in part of the game, where you had to rescue marin from a bridge which you needed the hookshot for,when you rescues her, before Tarin butted in, she was about to say something.

[QUOTE=Ganonslayer2000;2363128]I agree with you my friend. That last cutscene with LinkxZelda had no romance in it whatsoever. Link just stood there quietly with that infamous blank and bewildered look on his face as Zelda apologized to Link for dragging him into the whole mess. Nope no romance here [QUOTE]

Now dont go putting words into my mouth, I diddnt say there was no romance, probobly was.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

If I remember correctly I talked to Romani first before I approached Epona. So I guess Malon means more to me than Epona.And yes I agree that Link can't live without Zelda. But that can be as a lover as well as a best friend and confidante.

Okay, Malon means more to you personally. Good for you: As we are supposed to be Link, it's legitimate. It seems in these debates we are trying to make Link into his own person, which is a really hard thing to do. I'm trying to argue my point of view based on the unchangeable scenes, ones the player has no input into. ( You must have missed that cutscene, I think it only triggers if you haven't relearned Epona's Song. )

But if Link realizes he can't live without Zelda vs living without Malon, it means Zelda's more important to him in the end. The one he ends up with will be the one he chooses to spend the rest of his life with: it would indicate he likely loves that one more. ( Best friend and confidante are pretty much automatic roles of a lover too. At least in the ideal marriage they are. If you can't tell your mate everything, who else can you tell? They are likely the closest you will ever get to another human being. )
When I see him going back to Zelda at the end of OoT and MM ( IMO he does ) to me that says he wants to be with her more.

[QUOTE=James the red;2363576][QUOTE=Ganonslayer2000;2363128]I agree with you my friend. That last cutscene with LinkxZelda had no romance in it whatsoever. Link just stood there quietly with that infamous blank and bewildered look on his face as Zelda apologized to Link for dragging him into the whole mess. Nope no romance here

Now dont go putting words into my mouth, I diddnt say there was no romance, probobly was.

Well please...tell me how it was PROBABLY romantic in your own humble words. OK..I admit the delicate hand touching scene touched my heart a little bit.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Okay, Malon means more to you personally. Good for you: As we are supposed to be Link, it's legitimate. It seems in these debates we are trying to make Link into his own person, which is a really hard thing to do. I'm trying to argue my point of view based on the unchangeable scenes, ones the player has no input into. ( You must have missed that cutscene, I think it only triggers if you haven't relearned Epona's Song. )

But if Link realizes he can't live without Zelda vs living without Malon, it means Zelda's more important to him in the end. The one he ends up with will be the one he chooses to spend the rest of his life with: it would indicate he likely loves that one more. ( Best friend and confidante are pretty much automatic roles of a lover too. At least in the ideal marriage they are. If you can't tell your mate everything, who else can you tell? They are likely the closest you will ever get to another human being. )
When I see him going back to Zelda at the end of OoT and MM ( IMO he does ) to me that says he wants to be with her more.

Look my stance for Malon is just to do my part in THE DEBATE CONTINUES theme of this particular thread. As far as I care, Link with fairy can hook up with the Cucco lady and IMO they make a cute couple anyway. Heck, I think I also mentioned before that I'm not against a LinkxSaria in a non romantic way as well. In like maybe Link does not end up with neither Zelda or Malon because the complexities of a love triangle is too much for his feeble little mind to bear. So just maybe Link chooses the sanctuary of the Kokiri forest and the caring friendship of Saria over Zelda and Malon. Yes I know its a lame excuse to leave playing the role of a hero in helping the common people out, but maybe Link is comfortable with himself to become a lame tingle like character in prancing around the kokiri forest in a sad but ironic attempt to recapture his lost childhood.

Anyway, I've always had nothing against a LinkxZelda in the child timeline. I even think in the possiblity of marriage, Link and Zelda can co-rule 50/50 like a King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. OK enough of OOT Zelda and Link. So gilderpilot, what is your opinion on the TP LinkxZelda romantic matchup??

I think we've already covered TP. There are not many likely match-ups: everyone HATES Ilia, Midna's gone, and Zelda seems to think she's better than Link or something like that... There's always that lady with the sword (whos' name eludes me at the moment), Telma (But she seems too old and is... creepy.) or... *sigh* Fado... But that just plain wrong, IMO.