The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

Originally Posted by Sapphira

Before anyone goes all, "BUT HE ALWAYS SAVES ZELDA!" I know that.

Likely no-one was gonnasay that. And you didn't have to make it sound insulting! You should read the rest of our arguments, we have some pretty solid points! And if debates bore you then I think you're shallow and you shouldn't subscribe to these things!

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

Well, Link wouldn't be some "wannabe pimp", just someone who may lose control of his impulses. There are multiple attractive women who want him. And even if he doesn't find Ruto all that attractive, she seems to have a tendency to walk around completely naked. This would especially work for this theory if she were to be able to temporarily magically change to a hylian. I doubt that race-changing spells would magically cause clothes to appear, so this would generate problems for Link's common sense and resistance to impulse. Of course, this is never even hinted at and the only reason I could have thought it up is that I've seen this element being used in at least 2 Zelda fan fics, which means that this particular argument is worthless. But still, I imagine Link would get at least a little horny from see even Ruto walking around completely naked. Impulses can be a strong thing.

True, but even if Link does get horny, its debatable whether he would act upon it. To me him blushing and softly sighing is as wild as he can get. Though I would like to see a more confident Link when it comes to females, his naive innocence indicates to me that Zelda, Malon, Ruto, Midna, even Illia would have to hand hold and literally guide him when it comes to any type of intimacy whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

Likely no-one was gonnasay that. And you didn't have to make it sound insulting! You should read the rest of our arguments, we have some pretty solid points! And if debates bore you then I think you're shallow and you shouldn't subscribe to these things!

Thanks for being so terribly respectful of my opinion. It was very kind of you. While I may be new to this forum, I am very much NOT new to this on-going debate. My point in the above post was that it's not worth getting so worked up over the question because no one is ever going to agree. I do think it's fun to talk about it, and it's fun to have people discuss things with open minds.

But I don't think we're here to change our minds, and some people are trying to change other people's minds in this debate. I don't mean to say it to put down anyone here, but it's worth keeping in mind.

And thank you so very much for deeming me so shallow and telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I've certainly learned my lesson. It makes me feel very welcome here, since no one is judging me.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

True, but even if Link does get horny, its debatable whether he would act upon it. To me him blushing and softly sighing is as wild as he can get. Though I would like to see a more confident Link when it comes to females, his naive innocence indicates to me that Zelda, Malon, Ruto, Midna, even Illia would have to hand hold and literally guide him when it comes to any type of intimacy whatsoever.

I'm sure the Link you're looking for is an Adult OoT Link mentally and emotionally as well as physically. Who knows.

Originally Posted by Sapphira

Thanks for being so terribly respectful of my opinion. It was very kind of you. While I may be new to this forum, I am very much NOT new to this on-going debate. My point in the above post was that it's not worth getting so worked up over the question because no one is ever going to agree. I do think it's fun to talk about it, and it's fun to have people discuss things with open minds.

But I don't think we're here to change our minds, and some people are trying to change other people's minds in this debate. I don't mean to say it to put down anyone here, but it's worth keeping in mind.

And thank you so very much for deeming me so shallow and telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I've certainly learned my lesson. It makes me feel very welcome here, since no one is judging me.

I personally am definitely not trying to change your mind as I agree with your opinions on Malon and Midna. At the same time I don't like Illia much but if you do I can deal with it. The subject of debate no matter what its about, is fun amusement for me.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

I'm sure the Link you're looking for is an Adult OoT Link mentally and emotionally as well as physically. Who knows.

Oh yeah...OOT Link big time. And maybe to an extent TP Link as well. Its just I would have loved it if Link had just grabbed and twisted Illia's wrist to retain control of Epona after she threw that annoying tantrum to take Epona away. At first I thought TP Link was going to be another rehash of the always bewildered at everything OOT Link. But by the end I felt TP Link became his own man that can make his own decisions and did the right thing and left Illia behind to maybe go for Zelda, Ashei, Telma. Eh, maybe he might ask the Fortune telling lady out on a date who knows.

I think Link has impulses of ones that we can imagine, but maybe since he is a powerful person, he could fully control himself is such situations.
I would have liked to see more of a unique personality in Twilight Princess, but then again, Shigeru Miyamoto wants us to have an imagination of our own when it comes to Link's personality. If he shows himself too much of his own character, then we might as well throw in voice acting. Afterall, Link is a link to the very own person playing him.

And Princess Ruto is indeed naked, but she isn't entirely human. To Link and I am not being in anyway rude here, but she could look like some sort of alien to him. Maybe it is a physical appearance that turns off Link's impulses when he sees her full nude body.

I can only imagine him being more 'turned on' around girls such as Zelda, Malon, Ilia and a few others. But knowing him as we witness him, he may as well be so shy and anxious about sexual acts that he might stay away from it as much as possible.

zelda definetly because link has spent alot more time doing anything with her then anyone else

Originally Posted by Sapphira

Thanks for being so terribly respectful of my opinion. It was very kind of you. While I may be new to this forum, I am very much NOT new to this on-going debate. My point in the above post was that it's not worth getting so worked up over the question because no one is ever going to agree. I do think it's fun to talk about it, and it's fun to have people discuss things with open minds.

But I don't think we're here to change our minds, and some people are trying to change other people's minds in this debate. I don't mean to say it to put down anyone here, but it's worth keeping in mind.

And thank you so very much for deeming me so shallow and telling me what I should and shouldn't do. I've certainly learned my lesson. It makes me feel very welcome here, since no one is judging me.

Hey, I'm sorry about that. I guess I was just in a bad mood or I mis-understood you or something... Sorry again.

Here, I'll give a scenario that fits in with my theory that the women took advantage of a point when Link's judgement was... lacking:

Say he and Zelda got into a big fight. None of us know what the fight was about, but Link, being the closest thing to an Irishman you'll find in a Zelda game, will go deal with it by going to the local bar and having a few drinks (am I being racist for saying that when I'm Irish, myself?). As he's drinking away his sorrows, Malon drops by the bar to deliver some alcoholic milk first introduced in MM. She sees Link drinking himself into a stupor and realizes that this would be the perfect time to have her way with that "knight in shining armor" that she's always dreamed of. Plus, she wants to get payback on Zelda for winning him over (yes, I've changed my views, but I still believe he, at least, slept with Malon at one point or another). When Link's about to leave, she gives him some of the alcoholic milk, saying that it will help him sober up. He stays awhile and drinks milk. He and Malon are conversing, and he's starting to wonder why in the world he chose Zelda over Malon. He and Malon either go back to the ranch or find some room at a nearby inn and one thing leads to another. Now, just play that scenario at least one more time and you'll have an explanation for every descendent he possibly had, except for TP Zelda, whose ancestors between her and OoT Link and Zelda would have been conceived in a less deceptive manner. Alcohol is a powerful form of deception, and I'm sure Link was not too happy when he found himself in bed with Malon the next morning *tries not to laugh*, aww hell, I can't even pull it off online, the only thing he would really be troubled with would be Zelda's reaction if she ever found out.

Funny, firsttsurugi, but what makes you think Link resembles and irish man? Because he wears green? Maybe he's more Japanese cause that's where he originated. Also, what if Malon was an honest, hard-working gal? Would she really be so manipulative?

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

Funny, firsttsurugi, but what makes you think Link resembles and irish man? Because he wears green? Maybe he's more Japanese cause that's where he originated. Also, what if Malon was an honest, hard-working gal? Would she really be so manipulative?

Well, Link grew up in the forest, which contains the Skull Kids, who play the flute and appear to tap dance, which just seems Irish to me. And the green.

Also, about Malon, I highly doubt that it's just men with those impulses.

I'm sure Zelda would have Link imasculated for this crime even if he did use the excuse that he was drunk. If this were in a fanfic, you can have Link being on trial for him cheating on Zelda. Guilty verdict would mean Link gets castrated and Malon gets burned at the stake Ha JK. Liked your scenario though.

Didn't anyone notice how Midna started to open up to Link during the middle of Twillight Princess? I know Midna is actually taller than Link in her true form, but still. I would like to say more, but I don't know how to do those spoiler thingies.

Originally Posted by The_Hylian

Didn't anyone notice how Midna started to open up to Link during the middle of Twillight Princess? I know Midna is actually taller than Link in her true form, but still. I would like to say more, but I don't know how to do those spoiler thingies.

You see that "S" in the red box over the text? that is the spoiler icon. Also, I would imagine that, after TP, Midna did go back to Hyrule, since she did say "see ya", which would indicate that they would meet again.

To Ganonslayer: Nobody has to know.

Hmm, it seems that firstturugi’s theory has now become a major topic in this debate. I still think that it would not be in Link’s nature to behave that way. Mostly, this theory hinges on either Link being naïve enough let the various women seduce him; or Link getting drunk.
First, Link’s cluelessness simply comes from the fact that he has lived his entire life in the forest. It is likely that with an extensive amount of time spent out in the rest of the world, he would eventually learn more about it and become less Naïve. This even seems to be true in Majora’s Mask; as I do not recall a single instance where Link displays the type of cluelessness he shows in Ocarina.
Second, I find the intoxication theory to be unlikely at best. We have no way of knowing if Link would even choose to drink when he got older. Contrary to what someone said earlier, not “everyone” drinks. Also, if Hyrule had any kind of drinking laws in place whatsoever, Link would not even be allowed to drink until he was several years older. By this time, he likely would already be in a relationship with someone, and thus be less likely (although it is still certainly possible) to let one of the other girls get him drunk.
Besides, even if he did become intoxicated, there is no guarantee that he would give in to his impulses. I believe that Link is an incredibly kindhearted person. Even with his judgment impaired, he would probably realize that giving into his impulses would be hurting others, and have enough restraint to ...err... restrain himself.
However, it is certainly extremely possible, if not probable, that Link, at least for a while, had a relationship with each of the various love-interests. I can see him dating Saria for a while, until he got too old for her. I can also easily see him with Zelda, but I think that in the end, they would realize that their personalities are just too different, and that a relationship would never work. He may spend time with Malon, until realizing that she isn’t really his “type.” In the end, I see him happiest with Ruto, based both on their personalities and the evidence that I have already mentioned, and I firmly believe that she is the one he eventually ends up with.

Link Irish? To be honest, with his blond hair and blue eyes I always imagined him as Scandinavian or perhaps German.

As for "drunken Link" argument, keep in mind that not everyone is the same drunk. For instance, when I get thoroughly trashed (on the nectar of THE GODS) my only real desire is to lie down somewhere quiet. As well, having a drink now and then doesn't mean Link's going to be getting wasted every night.

I'd also like to point out that I can't imagine Link ever having intimate relations with a woman under anything but the most honorable conditions. It's just not in his character to behave so unseemly.

Originally Posted by firsttsurugi

You see that "S" in the red box over the text? that is the spoiler icon. Also, I would imagine that, after TP, Midna did go back to Hyrule, since she did say "see ya", which would indicate that they would meet again.

I don't think she meant that literally. I believe she said "see you later" because in her heart she didn't want to say goodbye, even though she probably knew they'd never see each other again. Personally, I've said "see you later" to many people I never saw again.

The problem with Midna and Ruto is something I call the "honeymoon effect." After the initial rush of a relationship wears off, you're left with the hard reality. Would Link really be content spending his life in the Twilight Realm or in Zora's Domain, with people whose culture is totally alien to him? I can see Ruto or Midna being well for a short-lived fling, but I don't see the potential for a long-term relationship between them.

Originally Posted by SecondStallord

Hmm, it seems that firstturugi’s theory has now become a major topic in this debate. I still think that it would not be in Link’s nature to behave that way. Mostly, this theory hinges on either Link being naïve enough let the various women seduce him; or Link getting drunk.
First, Link’s cluelessness simply comes from the fact that he has lived his entire life in the forest. It is likely that with an extensive amount of time spent out in the rest of the world, he would eventually learn more about it and become less Naïve. This even seems to be true in Majora’s Mask; as I do not recall a single instance where Link displays the type of cluelessness he shows in Ocarina.
Second, I find the intoxication theory to be unlikely at best. We have no way of knowing if Link would even choose to drink when he got older. Contrary to what someone said earlier, not “everyone” drinks. Also, if Hyrule had any kind of drinking laws in place whatsoever, Link would not even be allowed to drink until he was several years older. By this time, he likely would already be in a relationship with someone, and thus be less likely (although it is still certainly possible) to let one of the other girls get him drunk.
Besides, even if he did become intoxicated, there is no guarantee that he would give in to his impulses. I believe that Link is an incredibly kindhearted person. Even with his judgment impaired, he would probably realize that giving into his impulses would be hurting others, and have enough restraint to ...err... restrain himself.
However, it is certainly extremely possible, if not probable, that Link, at least for a while, had a relationship with each of the various love-interests. I can see him dating Saria for a while, until he got too old for her. I can also easily see him with Zelda, but I think that in the end, they would realize that their personalities are just too different, and that a relationship would never work. He may spend time with Malon, until realizing that she isn’t really his “type.” In the end, I see him happiest with Ruto, based both on their personalities and the evidence that I have already mentioned, and I firmly believe that she is the one he eventually ends up with.

As Sirius B mentioned, the Ruto/Midna relationships would be short term at best and in OOTs case, I see Link eventually leaving Ruto and Zora's domain to finally be with Zelda or Malon. Pick your poison on that one but I'm with you that Link being a debaucherous alcoholic before the age of 21 is highly unlikely. By the games indication, his good guy nature would not allow this to happen. An occasional social drink maybe but nothing more than that.

Off topic: As for Links most resembled nationality, I'd say a Celtic-Scandinavian-Anglo Saxon-Visigoth with a dash of Frank pretty much covers it IMO

Well, for one, a short-term relationship is all that's needed. Now that I think about it, the Triforce of Courage will probably be passed on to the descendent that best fits the title as its holder once Link dies, as apposed to my first theory, which is that as soon as the child is born, he gets it, which, if you look at the story of AoL, is disproved by my new theory. Plus, I'm not saying he is a drunk, I'm saying that he will drink. In this scenario, Malon sees him drinking and takes advantage of this, since this would be a rare occasion, even tricking him into getting even more drunk (okay, maybe I changed it up a little bit, but the outcome is still the same). Now, any possible descendent so far could be made, and Zelda doesn't know because she can't get suspicious of the Triforce of Courage suddenly disappearing. Now, all Link needs to do is out live her and she can die in the bliss of ignorance.

Zelda!

I must admit that it's very entertaining thinking about all the other different possibilities though. Many different combination's could actually work. At least in one's mind anyway.

I still think I drunken link would be funny! Just picture him zig-zaging and slurring non-sense into the sunset, only to trip and pass-out! Lmao!