The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

malon in LA, when she and link are doing the duet of the ballad of the windfish together.... my favorite part in any game.

My dislike of Ilia comes from the fact that I see her turning into some shrewish, nagging harridan later in life. If someone says that Zelda would have Link on a leash, it'd be ten times worse with Ilia, and ten times worse than that with Ashei.

And we laugh about her swollen head, but given that her and many others in Ordon village have obvious facial deformities I'd say that Ilia and others are of rather dubious lineage. I can easily imagine Link riding away from Ordon after Ilia revealed to him that her mother and father have the same mother and father.

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

Ashei isn't even a main character, is she? If I recall correctly, she really doesn't get too much development. So it seem un-likely for Nintendo to hint at any romance there (but feel free to keep thinking the opposite). There really doesn't seem to be a romance possibility in TP (except maybe Ilia, but people seem to hate her)...

Oh I will. LinkxAshei 4eva!

Originally Posted by Sirius B

My dislike of Ilia comes from the fact that I see her turning into some shrewish, nagging harridan later in life. If someone says that Zelda would have Link on a leash, it'd be ten times worse with Ilia, and ten times worse than that with Ashei.

Ashei being a hundred times worse than Zelda in terms of naggin shrewish personalities? How'd you come to this conclusion?

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

I don't get it. Why does everyone hate Ilia so much? I don't really like her alot, myself. But why all the hate??

Believe me I tried my best to force myself to like her even after she was annoyingly rude to Link in stealing Epona in the beginning, and I tried to have sympathy for her when I realized she had amnesia. But by the time of the cutscene before the escort mission I finally realized how incredibly bland and boring she was and I wanted nothing more than for her to STFU so I can get on with completing the escort mission. After that she became totally irrelevant in the storyline IMO. Even by the time her memory was restored she continued to be useless and uninteresting to the point that the very thought of her being a romantic interest felt unrealistic for me at this point in the game. IMO she seemed more to be the naive little sister that Link had to watch over and nothing more.

Originally Posted by Crimson_Hero

Ashei being a hundred times worse than Zelda in terms of naggin shrewish personalities? How'd you come to this conclusion?

I'm not sure, but I have no doubt Sirius B has a good explanation. Though I liked the Ashei character a lot myself, I can see Link having problems with her in which a minor arguement with her can maybe lead to a duel to the death. So IMO it would be hard for the soft spoken and gentle natured Link to tame the hot amazon warrior babe as he would probably have to endure some physical abuse. But if I were Link I would still take my chances.

Originally Posted by Sirius B

I can easily imagine Link riding away from Ordon after Ilia revealed to him that her mother and father have the same mother and father.

Could you rephrase that, please? I don't understand...

Also, am I the only one who doesn't know what 'IMO' means???

Originally Posted by Sirius B

My dislike of Ilia comes from the fact that I see her turning into some shrewish, nagging harridan later in life. If someone says that Zelda would have Link on a leash, it'd be ten times worse with Ilia, and ten times worse than that with Ashei.

And we laugh about her swollen head, but given that her and many others in Ordon village have obvious facial deformities I'd say that Ilia and others are of rather dubious lineage. I can easily imagine Link riding away from Ordon after Ilia revealed to him that her mother and father have the same mother and father.

rofl. I remember when we saw the first pictures of Ordon and everyone was like "wtf why are they all so UGLY?!" But seriously, I never thought of inbreeding...

Originally Posted by Blackfire667

Also, am I the only one who doesn't know what 'IMO' means???

It means In My Opinion. Don't feel bad, I didn't know WTF that meant either for awhile. LOL

Originally Posted by Crimson_Hero

Oh I will. LinkxAshei 4eva!





Ashei being a hundred times worse than Zelda in terms of naggin shrewish personalities? How'd you come to this conclusion?

Because as someone said, she's the "Amazon Warrior" type who doesn't strike as the sort of person who either needs or wants a man. And I think she'd be the sort of person who'd be the dominant party in a relationship and would always want things her way.

The only argument I see in favor of her is that she's A: female, and B: has a sword, which doesn't say much. I have a sword myself, and I certainly wouldn't want someone like her.

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I can't argue with that one as Ashei does seem to sort of come off as a butch type amazon. Even though I think she can easily take down Link in a freestyle wrestling match, Link should be able to slaughter her into bits and pieces in a swordfight for sure. But Link being the good guy he is would never let that happen and therefore a theoretical relationship with Ashei is destined to end after Link realizes that she is too much the super strong female thats always on top and always dominating her man. I've heard of the ShadxAshei but to me that wouldn't work as she would wear down and practically eat Shad alive faster than she would Link. But being the ridiculous Zelda dork I am I think that I have actually theorized that maybe Ashei is a amazon/lesbian type and maybe she enjoys hanging out at Telma's bar to maybe get her to forget about Indian Chief/Shaman Renando. I wonder what my good friend gilderpilot thinks about LinkxAshei? But much to my dismay Sirius B pretty much nailed the inevitable romantic disaster of LinkXAshei.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

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I But being the ridiculous Zelda dork I am I think that I have actually theorized that maybe Ashei is a amazon/lesbian type .

A gay Zelda character? lol!
Hey, on that subject: WHAT IF Link was gay? Wouldn't that be hilarious?

Actually, I have read posts from several people before that believe Link is gay, therefore he and Zelda will never marry. I remember someone suggesting a LinkxFado relationship in TP and though that would be hillarious, overall it would be inappropriate for the kiddies. Its funny though that some people interpret Link's soft and gentle nature as being gay, and though its not a popular point of view, I guess everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions.

Ganonslayer! How could you give up on LinkxAshei after a few well-thought out arguments? LinkxAshei is a romance that goes beyond all rational and logical thought!

Originally Posted by Serious Bee

Because as someone said, she's the "Amazon Warrior" type who doesn't strike as the sort of person who either needs or wants a man. And I think she'd be the sort of person who'd be the dominant party in a relationship and would always want things her way.

The only argument I see in favor of her is that she's A: female, and B: has a sword, which doesn't say much. I have a sword myself, and I certainly wouldn't want someone like her.

The problem here with this here is TP Link. If he were a regular guy, the thought of being with a dominant and overbearing butch maiden would scare the **** out of him. If he were a regular guy. However, he is not.

TP Link is, I believe to be, a closet masochist. Or to a lesser extent, he likes being kept in line.

If you look at his relationship with both Ilia and Midna, you will find a guy perfectly willing to submit to the will and dominance of those of the opposite sex.

Ilia racked up b**** points, scolding him and even went as far as to take his ride to freedom on the eve of his departure. Any regular guy would have rejoiced when she was kidnapped, but not our Link.

And with Midna? He naturally fit into the role of being her slave, and dare I say, he relished it.

So after that, seeing him in a romantic relationship with Ashei isn't too hard to fathom. On another tangent - Dominant and overbearing Amazon Warrior butch maidens have needs too.

None. It would be far too weird!

Though at the end of Adventure of Link, Zelda did [well, presumably] kiss Link.

Originally Posted by Crimson_Hero

LinkxAshei is a romance that goes beyond all rational and logical thought!.

You got that right! It IS il-logical and ir-rational!

Originally Posted by Crimson_Hero

The problem here with this here is TP Link. If he were a regular guy, the thought of being with a dominant and overbearing butch maiden would scare the **** out of him. If he were a regular guy. However, he is not.

TP Link is, I believe to be, a closet masochist. Or to a lesser extent, he likes being kept in line.

If you look at his relationship with both Ilia and Midna, you will find a guy perfectly willing to submit to the will and dominance of those of the opposite sex.

Ilia racked up b**** points, scolding him and even went as far as to take his ride to freedom on the eve of his departure. Any regular guy would have rejoiced when she was kidnapped, but not our Link.

And with Midna? He naturally fit into the role of being her slave, and dare I say, he relished it.

So after that, seeing him in a romantic relationship with Ashei isn't too hard to fathom. On another tangent - Dominant and overbearing Amazon Warrior butch maidens have needs too

I find that description of Link in-acurate! And frightening...

Originally Posted by Crimson_Hero

Ganonslayer! How could you give up on LinkxAshei after a few well-thought out arguments? LinkxAshei is a romance that goes beyond all rational and logical thought!



The problem here with this here is TP Link. If he were a regular guy, the thought of being with a dominant and overbearing butch maiden would scare the **** out of him. If he were a regular guy. However, he is not.

TP Link is, I believe to be, a closet masochist. Or to a lesser extent, he likes being kept in line.

If you look at his relationship with both Ilia and Midna, you will find a guy perfectly willing to submit to the will and dominance of those of the opposite sex.

Ilia racked up b**** points, scolding him and even went as far as to take his ride to freedom on the eve of his departure. Any regular guy would have rejoiced when she was kidnapped, but not our Link.

And with Midna? He naturally fit into the role of being her slave, and dare I say, he relished it.

So after that, seeing him in a romantic relationship with Ashei isn't too hard to fathom. On another tangent - Dominant and overbearing Amazon Warrior butch maidens have needs too.

Well I never said that LinkxAshei couldn't happen. I'm sure she is good for a number of months to keep the strapping young Link interested for quite awhile until maybe Link breaks up with her because he was heartbroken that she would go bi and hook up with Telma once in awhile. But seriously, in TP I have Ashei third behind Zelda and Midna. If only the series were called Legend of Ashei but its not unfortunately. But I like your point on Link being oversubmissive to women that deep down hides a semi perve masochist who just wants to be a love slave to any woman, even Illia. IMO, his desire for Illia left him when Telma flirted with him before the escort mission and if I remember correctly he smiled and gave his signature sigh of approval. At first I was like OMG!! He likes Telma now after he realizes Illia is this boring amnesiac?? But thank goodness that was debunked as Telma obviously perferred Renando. I think its weird but I actually like TelmaxLink than IlliaxLink. Though I think Telma would have no problem putting Link in line I still prefer LinkxAshei and IMO its sort of a TP version of the LinkxNabooru in OOT with the tough but still feminine warrior woman that can easily make the sweet and over gullible Link into his secret desire to be a closet masochistic love slave that you referred to.

Anyway..without losing my mind and getting too explicit for the kiddies. Yes, I think its been clear that Link can be disturbingly oversubmissive to girls as evidenced by the games. But to me its still a game about a purehearted gentle hero who is also very brave and courageous. I admire the Link character is able to overcome big obstacles and does favors for everybody even strangers. But sometimes it seems that over the years Nintendo made Link to eager to want to win the approval of everybody he encounters, whether that be OOT,MM,WW,TP ect ect. It also seems in regards to OOT/TP Link that he is sometimes potrayed as over submissive that makes me believe that he is very unassertive when it comes to others and to himself. Not that there is anything wrong with a little vulnerability but in Link's case it comes off as cartoonish enough to make fun of as we are doing now. But the flipside to Link is that when the situation is right he becomes a deadly fighting machine and when thats over, he reverts back to the shy whispering sighing dweeb we all know and love. Go figure. OK...Now I say Go LinkxAshei

Sheesh, Link the masochist? I think not! I mean, maybe he's just painfully, painfully shy around others. He doesn't exactly put up an argument to the person telling him to do something, regardless of the persons gender. And I think these "sighs of aproval/ disapproval" are myths: I've never heared them.

And LinkxThelma is spooky. Anyone watch SNL? She probably uses "The older womans guide to bagging the younger mens" XD

The masochist thing is just for the sake of debate. I doubt Link is the whips and chains in the bedroom type. Like you I think he is just painfully shy as you say. As for the infamous sighs Link does in cutscenes I really don't know if he is just happy, nervous, horny or what. Its all just speculation to me but I did think he was starting to like Telma in that particular cutscene.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Continued from the previous thread:

http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/...-go-round.html



Please note that debate about Link's love life goes here, and only here.

I THINK THE DISCUSSION ABOUT LINK AND HIS LOVE IS VERY IMPORTANT BEACUSE HELLOOOOOO...HE KILLING HIM SELF FOR NOTHING?...NOT EVEN A KISS?..OH MY GOD!!..

I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT LLIA, BECAUSE IS FOR ONE TIME IN THOSE GAMES WHEN LINK HAVE SOMEBODY AWAIT FOR HIM, SOMEONE HOW SHOW SOME LOVE FOR HIM..AND ZELDA NEVER EVER DO NOTHING LIKE THAT FOR LINK.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Actually, I have read posts from several people before that believe Link is gay, therefore he and Zelda will never marry. I remember someone suggesting a LinkxFado relationship in TP and though that would be hillarious, overall it would be inappropriate for the kiddies. Its funny though that some people interpret Link's soft and gentle nature as being gay, and though its not a popular point of view, I guess everyone is entitled to his/her own opinions.

It's not the personality... it's the tights. Though I'll admit that TP Link and MM/Kid Link don't wear them, since MM/Kid Link just wears the Tunic and TP Link has some kind of linen pants, I believe.

While I'm still dead set on LinkxMalon for OoT, LinkxZelda can only be argued by either LinkxMidna if one found a way to cross over to the others world, or maybe LinkxAshei. Who came up with the idea that Ashei is some kind of Amazon warrior, anyway? The only thing that points to that is that she has a sword and she adventures to a place that seems to me like the exact opposite of the Amazon, and she doesn't strike me as an abusive or controlling women. She tends to be someone who keeps her cool and rarely lets her emotions show.